This is a guy that likes to PM me and talk about evolution. Normally is he a bit less preachy, but this was the first time he admited to being delusional. Talking to this guy made me sad our mental health faciliaties are in such dismal conditions. Any way.. i was going to post the 'descriptions are proof" in the IQOM, but the entire conversation makes that even more funny.
10:17:16 AM goddess_goldberry: (1) hey
10:17:23 AM goddess_goldberry: (2) evolution is a fact, not a belief
10:17:51 AM teacher21.geo: you can't have life reach a higher ability without God
10:18:11 AM goddess_goldberry: (3) fine.. prove a god exists, and then prove your statement
10:19:07 AM teacher21.geo: we came from eternal life because if there was no life at any moment in our past we would not exist
10:19:20 AM goddess_goldberry: (4) great. prove that statement
10:19:32 AM goddess_goldberry: (5) can you prove anything you say? or do you just pull it out of your butt at all times?
10:19:39 AM teacher21.geo: I already did inside me and now it's in your hands
10:20:09 AM goddess_goldberry: (6) inside you is subjective.. that is not proof.. we are talking about objective ,testable, repeatable proof
10:20:30 AM goddess_goldberry: (7) inside me, i see no evidence of a god, thus i find your statements inherently illogical
10:20:34 AM teacher21.geo: think about it everything you prove is from what you interpret on the iniside
10:20:40 AM goddess_goldberry: (8) no
10:20:55 AM teacher21.geo: I interpret my life and creation as what I just said
10:20:55 AM goddess_goldberry: (9) if you use the scientific method, most bias is erased
10:21:07 AM goddess_goldberry: (10) and when that is repeated by others, even more is erased
10:21:09 AM teacher21.geo: goddess your figuring things out from inside you
10:21:20 AM teacher21.geo: you getting info
10:21:21 AM goddess_goldberry: (11) no.. i am being objective
10:21:30 AM goddess_goldberry: (12) what i think is moot.. it is what the evidence shows that matters
10:21:30 AM teacher21.geo: and then solving
10:21:36 AM teacher21.geo: no your getting info
10:21:40 AM teacher21.geo: and then solving
10:21:57 AM goddess_goldberry: (13) can you prove that assumption you just made about me?
10:22:28 AM teacher21.geo: yes I can because your talking to me about what I write you meaning your figuring it out on the inside
10:22:56 AM goddess_goldberry: (14) you are trying to compare a conversation to the scientific method?
10:23:07 AM goddess_goldberry: (15) we are discussing evidence.. nothing more
10:23:07 AM teacher21.geo: it is inside figuring it out
10:23:16 AM teacher21.geo: it is inside figuring it out
10:23:35 AM teacher21.geo: evidence proof... it is info goes inside and interpreted
10:23:55 AM goddess_goldberry: (16) lol.. no wonder you don't understand evolution
10:24:01 AM goddess_goldberry: (17) or science for that matter
10:24:10 AM teacher21.geo: LOL
10:24:28 AM teacher21.geo: like I said without God we don't increase in ability
10:24:31 AM goddess_goldberry: (18) scientific evidence is testable.. it does not matter what i think, or what bob joe thinks.. the results will be the same
10:24:53 AM goddess_goldberry: (19) and like i said.. prove your god before you make such innane claims
10:25:23 AM teacher21.geo: read
10:25:36 AM goddess_goldberry: (20) there is no scientific evidence of a god.. or that abilities (whatever you mean by that) are limited due to belief or non belief in a god
10:25:39 AM goddess_goldberry: (21) i have read
10:25:47 AM goddess_goldberry: (22) i suggest you learn a bit about science
10:26:00 AM teacher21.geo: if I had a ball in my hand and you were facing away from me and I told you I have a ball in my hand is that proof?
10:26:08 AM goddess_goldberry: (23) no
10:26:12 AM teacher21.geo: NO LOL
10:26:31 AM teacher21.geo: there is your idea
10:26:46 AM teacher21.geo: I say it is proof
10:27:07 AM goddess_goldberry: (24) it is not testable.. it isn't proof
10:27:38 AM goddess_goldberry: (25) it is your word saying you have a ball..
10:27:51 AM goddess_goldberry: (26) your word is subjective.. it isn't testable, or repeatable
10:28:07 AM teacher21.geo: it is a description of the ball and discription means that thing exists
10:28:20 AM teacher21.geo: so descriptions are proof[/color]
10:28:32 AM goddess_goldberry: (27) sure.. your description. .again, i am not looking for subjective descriptions.. i am looking for objective evidence
10:28:45 AM goddess_goldberry: (28) no.. i could describe to you the purple fairy i saw last night
10:28:53 AM goddess_goldberry: (29) that doesn't mean i was right, or that the fairy exists
10:29:07 AM goddess_goldberry: (30) it is a subjective, unproven claim
10:29:13 AM teacher21.geo: difference
10:29:19 AM goddess_goldberry: (31) no.. no difference
10:29:30 AM teacher21.geo: LOL no difference?
10:29:43 AM teacher21.geo: one is true and if you are truth then your moved by the truth
10:29:52 AM teacher21.geo: and it is substance
10:30:05 AM goddess_goldberry: (32) both have the same amount of unproven claim
10:30:22 AM goddess_goldberry: (33) they are both untested, and subjective claims
10:30:34 AM goddess_goldberry: (34) they are equal until further tests decide which one is true
10:30:34 AM teacher21.geo: descriptions are proof
10:30:42 AM teacher21.geo: descriptions are proof
10:30:42 AM goddess_goldberry: (35) ohh fuck.. no, they are not
10:30:53 AM goddess_goldberry: (36) not by any stretch of the imagination
10:31:00 AM goddess_goldberry: (37) but.. i thank you for giving me a great gotard
10:31:25 AM teacher21.geo: what does the description mean? if is explaining the presence of something and that explanation is based on that something which proves it
10:31:50 AM goddess_goldberry: (38) no.. a description is a subjective anaylisis.. it has nothing to do with evidence or proof
10:31:59 AM teacher21.geo: and back to evolution... without God there is no transceding your ability
10:32:19 AM goddess_goldberry: (39) evolution is not about furthering ability
10:32:27 AM goddess_goldberry: (40) you really need to learn what evolution is
10:32:38 AM teacher21.geo: goddess could I have a description without the ball? NO now does the ball have to exist for me to describe it? YES
10:32:43 AM teacher21.geo: read on
10:33:03 AM goddess_goldberry: (41) i can make a description without a ball
10:33:04 AM teacher21.geo: description is PROOF
10:33:10 AM goddess_goldberry: (42) lol..
10:33:24 AM teacher21.geo: description eh? but it's based on what your describing
10:33:27 AM goddess_goldberry: (43) just because i describe a ball.. does that mean i have a ball?
10:33:30 AM teacher21.geo: and you'd just be making it up
10:33:36 AM goddess_goldberry: (44) sure.. i could be making it up
10:33:40 AM goddess_goldberry: (45) i can make up lots of things
10:33:41 AM teacher21.geo: yes if you describe it you have one
10:33:47 AM goddess_goldberry: (46) i can make up lions with purple fur, and spots
10:33:48 AM teacher21.geo: sure you can
10:33:54 AM teacher21.geo: sure you can
10:34:06 AM teacher21.geo: although if you descrive something it is there
10:34:07 AM goddess_goldberry: (47) so. how does one tell which is a true description, and which is not?
10:34:15 AM teacher21.geo: and if you make something us that is what you have
10:34:20 AM goddess_goldberry: (48) well, now.. the only person who says it is there is you
10:34:34 AM teacher21.geo: because if you have truth in your body then you are moved by truth
10:34:41 AM goddess_goldberry: (49) ahh umm no
10:34:43 AM teacher21.geo: and truth is substance
10:34:46 AM teacher21.geo: no?
10:34:48 AM goddess_goldberry: (50) truth is subjective
10:35:00 AM goddess_goldberry: (51) ok.. i see a child with blonde hair and green eyes
10:35:04 AM goddess_goldberry: (52) am i telling the truth?
10:35:20 AM teacher21.geo: ? well what you consider truth changing is what you consider truth
10:35:49 AM goddess_goldberry: (53) that last statement of yours made no sesne
10:36:03 AM teacher21.geo: with the help of God I will learn to be moved by the truth... for at least I know it is possible to know the difference being substance
10:36:45 AM goddess_goldberry: (54) ok.. so am i telling the truth?
10:37:18 AM teacher21.geo: and stories
10:37:44 AM goddess_goldberry: (55) you know..this reminds me of a friend of mine
10:37:57 AM goddess_goldberry: (56) she was a devout christian, and believed as you do, they she could always tell the truth
10:38:35 AM teacher21.geo: well we wouldn't desire the devil to say for eternity that God is lying
10:38:39 AM goddess_goldberry: (57) when her child was born, she knew that this child was from her.. she claimed to see her grandmothers smile, her husbands eyes.. even her chin
10:39:45 AM goddess_goldberry: (58) 5yrs later.. this woman was still firm that this child looked like her, and was her.. and genetic tests proved that it was not her daughter.. the babies had been switched at birth
10:39:50 AM teacher21.geo: and finally back to evolution being fact... I disagree
10:40:13 AM goddess_goldberry: (59) she spent 5 yrs, assured that what she saw was truth.. only it wasn't.. it was her mind fooling her
10:40:33 AM goddess_goldberry: (60) she believed it was her child, and she saw family traits in this child because that is what she wanted to see
10:40:46 AM goddess_goldberry: (61) you believe in a god, and you disbelieve in evolution because that is what you want
10:40:59 AM goddess_goldberry: (62) you fear progress and science, it is scary and unknown
10:41:08 AM teacher21.geo: I don't think her mind was fooling her as I have been diagnosed with schizophrenia and have had conversation with being in my mind... conversations like talking to someone on the street
10:41:19 AM goddess_goldberry: (63) and you yearn for a more simple day.. when you don't have to think for yourself
10:41:31 AM teacher21.geo: fear LOL I consider fear reverence of God
10:41:43 AM goddess_goldberry: (64) lol.. you have clinically been diagonised with schizophrenia?
10:41:43 AM teacher21.geo: evolution is not the truth
10:41:50 AM teacher21.geo: yes I have
10:41:53 AM goddess_goldberry: (65) fuck
10:42:00 AM goddess_goldberry: (66) then why am i even bothering with you
10:42:02 AM goddess_goldberry: (67) you are mentally ill
10:42:08 AM goddess_goldberry: (68) of course you believe those voices are real
10:42:15 AM teacher21.geo: evolution is not the truth... without God no beings achieve greater ability
10:42:26 AM teacher21.geo: goddess like I said I know they were
10:42:32 AM goddess_goldberry: (69) of course you do
10:42:54 AM teacher21.geo: and I have been accused of it being delusional
10:43:24 AM teacher21.geo: although when voices talk back to you and you hold a conversation in your mind... it is more then confusion
10:43:50 AM teacher21.geo: yes of course I do
10:43:52 AM goddess_goldberry: (70) lol i am sorry
10:43:56 AM goddess_goldberry: (71) but, you are mentally ill
10:44:05 AM goddess_goldberry: (72) and i make it my policy not to debate the mentally ill
10:44:24 AM teacher21.geo: actually I'm not mentally ill
10:44:34 AM teacher21.geo: and it's your choice if you wanna leave
10:44:49 AM goddess_goldberry: (73) you are mentally ill.. and you are sick
10:44:55 AM goddess_goldberry: (74) meaning you need to get help
10:45:02 AM teacher21.geo: like I said I'm not mentally ill
10:45:32 AM teacher21.geo: do you still believe evolution?
10:45:44 AM goddess_goldberry: (75) few schizophrenics agree that they are sick
10:45:48 AM teacher21.geo: that is evolution without GOd?
10:45:54 AM goddess_goldberry: (76) no.. evolution is not a belief.. it is a fact
10:46:01 AM goddess_goldberry: (77) and evolution is neutral to any godbelief
10:46:07 AM goddess_goldberry: (78) it has no say on the validity of that claim
10:46:19 AM teacher21.geo: goddess I agree that I hear voices although you probably don't know what goes on in my head even if I told you
10:46:56 AM teacher21.geo: like I said life cannot gain ability without a being of equal or higher ability
10:47:11 AM teacher21.geo: God is not far from any of us
10:47:11 AM goddess_goldberry: (79) sweetie..no.. you don't understand evolution
10:47:20 AM goddess_goldberry: (80) evolution is the change in allele
10:47:22 AM goddess_goldberry: (81) that is it
10:47:25 AM teacher21.geo: goddess what don't you think I understand
10:49:03 AM goddess_goldberry: (82) i don't think you understand alleles
10:49:13 AM goddess_goldberry: (83) or what is changing, or even what happens through evolution
10:49:22 AM goddess_goldberry: (84) evolution is not about gaining abilities
10:49:33 AM goddess_goldberry: (85) it is just about changing and adapting to the surroundings
10:50:05 AM teacher21.geo: first of all the ability of learning a language comes from people and God
10:50:21 AM goddess_goldberry: (86) ok.. you know.. you keep making these claims
10:50:32 AM teacher21.geo: it is not about changing surroundings and poof you've adapted to speak a language
10:50:37 AM goddess_goldberry: (87) and you have yet to even prove a god exists
10:50:57 AM teacher21.geo: because I know the truth I have been moved by God who is my heavenly Father as Jesus says
10:51:06 AM goddess_goldberry: (88) well, then this conversation is going now where
10:51:12 AM goddess_goldberry: (89) you are too delusional to hold a conversation
10:51:25 AM goddess_goldberry: (90) look.. take care.. and maybe when you get some better meds, we can talk
10:51:31 AM teacher21.geo: I prove God exists from the fact that is at any moment in our past there was no life WE WOULD NOT EXIST
10:51:34 AM goddess_goldberry: (91) take care
10:51:42 AM teacher21.geo: have a nice day
10:53:36 AM teacher21.geo: one more thing don't take cheap shots about medications because you really don't have a clue
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