Posted by Ford Prefect [64.156.37.206 - dialup-64.156.37.206.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net] on 30 January 2002 at 17.02.02 ZuluTime:
A story on this was posted on Dans JP/// page (www.dansjp3page.com) the other day and I thought I would pass it along here. When it was posted it sparked controversy in the "comment on this news item" forum. Controversy between gaybashers and open minded individuals. For background purposes here is the news article.
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Alan and Billy
When I started this site, I promised myself and my readers I'd report on everything JP3-related, no matter how odd. But after almost two years of running tihs page, this next story takes the cake in terms of sheer strangeness: I present to you, the "Alan and Billy" Yahoo! Group and accompanying Homepage, a collection of indivuduals who, uh, delve into Alan and Billy's supposed homosexual relationship in discussions, chats, and fan fics. Apparently this is not a new thing on the Internet (there are similar sites about LOTR's Frodo and Sam), but if you decide to enter these pages, be prepared for content most unlike this site's fan fiction section. "Not that there's anything wrong with that...."
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And from here down is the controversy culminating in my message telling why this is really not a homosexual webpage, but created by and for heterosexual women.
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At 1:10:57 PM on 1/28/02, jurassiraptor said:
Alan and Billy aren't gay!
At 1:12:00 PM on 1/28/02, Oviraptor said:
Yeah Billy and Cheryl are together.
At 1:12:30 PM on 1/28/02, Oviraptor said:
And Ellie's have an affair with Grant.
At 1:49:01 PM on 1/28/02, Raptor Strike said:
That's nasty. Why would anyone ever make a site like that? They're all freaks.
At 2:24:20 PM on 1/28/02, Captain Dinobot said:
The people who made that site should burn.
At 2:24:47 PM on 1/28/02, Captain Dinobot said:
BURN THEM!!!!!!!
At 2:25:04 PM on 1/28/02, Captain Dinobot said:
BURN THEM!!!!!!
At 2:25:22 PM on 1/28/02, Captain Dinobot said:
BURN THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!
At 2:52:17 PM on 1/28/02, Darknodin said:
Frodo and Sam?
At 2:57:08 PM on 1/28/02, Vinsfeld said:
Wait, whats next? Jimmy 345 and HOJU's page.
* Stares menacingly at Jimmy 345 *
*throws large frying pan at Jimmy 345*
At 3:10:34 PM on 1/28/02, Evilgrinch said:
I will never be able to watch Jp3 in the same way again.
This is a sad day.
-Evilgrinch
At 3:54:58 PM on 1/28/02, Ceratopsian said:
In the words of the immortal Robert Muldoon, "They should all be destroyed."
At 4:16:44 PM on 1/28/02, Raptor Strike said:
Coming up next: Tips by Vinsfeld on how your dad can screw you.
At 4:49:26 PM on 1/28/02, Vinsfeld said:
was that aimed to attack me?
At 5:09:13 PM on 1/28/02, Raptor Strike said:
No, I only posted that because you seem to keep picking on people and I think it should stop.
At 6:04:30 PM on 1/28/02, pteranofan said:
As if the internet wasn't sick enough already! They aren't gay. Besides, who opens a site just to discuss the "status" of two fictional characters. Again, sick!
At 6:18:42 PM on 1/28/02, Vinsfeld said:
oh ok
At 6:37:19 PM on 1/28/02, Carter said:
I'm gonna stick my neck out here, I DO think Grant is Gay. My older sister brought it up after she rented JP///. Grants odd relationship with Ellie in JP/// made it seem pretty clear.
At 7:34:59 PM on 1/28/02, Rictor said:
Okay people, first of all lighten up.
Second, I kinda suspected something was up with Dr. Grant and Billy. I mean, Alan's breakup with Ellie was not mentioned nor explained in the movie and they seemed to be really good friends now. Billy is Alan's new "assistant" and they seemed to be a little too close.
Granted it's all into interpretation. For example: It's like that scene in Gone With the Wind when Rhett carries Scarlett against her will up the stairs. Did he rape her? Because the next scene shows her yawning in bed and happy as can be. You decide.
We will just have to wait and see what happens in JPIV. Steven Spielberg is very pro gay (he stepped down from the Boy Scouts Honorary Committe because of their lack of tolerance on the issue) so who knows. I'll ask him when I see him next.
At 9:03:58 PM on 1/28/02, Ceratopsian said:
Once again, this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Of course they're close, they're scientist and protege. Dr. Grant is a father figure to Billy, not his queer lover. And is it just me, or did Billy seem really into that brunette at the dig-site?
If you're gonna say these two classic characters are gay, what about other movie characters?
Maybe Malcolm's a pedophile because he hugged Lex and Tim?
Maybe Han Solo goes inter-species because he spends most of his time with a Wookie?
Maybe the Blues Brothers arent even brothers but just use it as a front to hide their queerness?
Maybe Luke Skywalker is into incest because he kissed his sister?
This entire thing is stupid. We shouldnt try to insert hidden meanings to make it look like a film is trying to make some bold statement, we should just enjoy it as a good story and leave it at that.
Oh, and for what it's worth, I doubt a gay would have lasted ten minutes on Isla Sorna.
At 10:05:31 PM on 1/28/02, JurassicRaptor said:
Jeeze Dan,
Are you off visiting these pages when your not updating the Fanart???
At 10:07:03 PM on 1/28/02, JurassicRaptor said:
Ya'll are homos.
At 10:20:16 PM on 1/28/02, Dan said:
I think the point of this news item is not to start a debate over whether Alan and Billy are gay, but just to educate everyone that there are people out there on the Internet who think this way. I personally find it quite odd, but then again, whatever floats your boat....
And I should add that words like "queer" and "homo" are insulting to people who are gay. For those of you who think gay people should be "nuked".. well, all I have to say is that if you have a hard time grasping the concept that there are people in the world that are different than you, you won't get very far in life.
-Dan
At 10:25:40 PM on 1/28/02, Aqua_raptor said:
Yeah good on you Dan,
I just have to say that I personally don't care what people think of Bill and Alan when it comes to their relationship. It's odd i agree. But i would like to say to Captain Dinobot, you are an arrogant prick! I can't believe you would ever wish that upon any human being, gay, straight, black, white, tall, short.. whatever! Maybe i am the only person left that has an open mind and is no prejudice. It makes me sick really. I have friends and also family that are gay, and seeing your comments, makes me want to leave the site, and never come back!
At 10:28:59 PM on 1/28/02, Aqua_raptor said:
That's really pissed me off now! Dan, great page, it's awesome, I have really enjoyed coming here for the past year or so, but I'm not coming back with ignorant jerks crusing the place.
At 12:08:20 AM on 1/29/02, Rictor said:
Maybe Billy isn't gay, but instead a total player? We saw the way he was working that girl at the dig site! Dr. Grant seems like a lonely man and would probably take any kind of human compassion and warmth if it were offered to him. I'd give it to him.
And I think a "gay" can last longer than 10 minutes on the island. Look at that original "Survivor" winner, Richard Hatch. He wasn't into the ladies and he made it out on the island! So much for that arrogant ignorant comment by Ceratopsian.
At 5:23:48 AM on 1/29/02, SuperJonk said:
No, I agree with Capton Dinobot... I think the people who made that site should burn!!
lol that's hilarious though. Can you believe the length of these stories??? Man, if you make a discussion and tons and tons of stories about a supposed gay relationship between two characters on the internet, then you my friend, plainly have TOO MUCH TIME!
But if its something awesome like this awesome site, then thats a different story. (not trying to kiss boot lol)
I will quote Evil Grinch in what he said "I will never be able to watch Jp3 in the same way again.
This is a sad day."
Anyhoo -- hey Dan!! Everyone else! Do you guys remember me? I stopped reading the comments because I couldn't see JP/// because I was out of town working. I came back in November, and at 12:00am on December 11th at KMart, I finally bought Jurassic Park/// on DVD and was finally able to watch it! I'd say its more for JP-freaks like us, but it's awesome!
Joe did a great job with what he was given.
Thanks everyone!
*My mom bought me the trilogy set the other day too, so that's cool.
Thanks for the awesome site to come to, Dan!
At 9:29:00 AM on 1/29/02, Ceratopsian said:
Survivor is a little bit different than Jurassic Park, so different in fact that I think most comparisons are invalid. I did'nt see any dinosaurs, aside from a few birds on Survivor. Get off it
At 9:40:13 AM on 1/29/02, Matthew said:
You didn't HAVE to post that story, Dan. Nobody who visits this site would be interested in it.
At 12:29:20 PM on 1/29/02, Captain Dinobot said:
If you read my comment "The people who made that site should burn." you'd see that it was not directed at gay people but at the people who create these sick websites insulting characters from movies or from TV shows or anything for that matter. I didn't read the site or visit it so I dont know for sure, but how do we know the authors of that story or stories are gay, maybe they are perverts or anti JP3. People shouldn't create sites like that. Like Evilgrinch said it is hard to look at things the same way after hearing this. If you can be offended by what I said then how come I can't be offended by a story that seems to be saying JP3 is gay.
At 12:48:57 PM on 1/29/02, danoodleman said:
Maybe Grant has some frog DNA.
At 2:49:50 PM on 1/29/02, JohnHammond said:
We are all a little shocked, and, for lack of a better word, appauled at this perversion of two JP characters, but let's be realistic here; who's to say that Dr. Grant is or is not gay, and that goes for Billy as well. Let's not start gay bashing just because we're upset about this, I mean, no where is it written in Jurassic Park or Jurassic Park /// that Alan Grant is a heterosexual. I'm not condoning this kind of behavior, all Dan meant to do was open us up to th influence that the Jurassic Park franchise has had on people. But again, let's not "nuke the fags" or w/e you people have been saying, because like Dan said, thinking that small-mindedly will not get you very far in today's society, unless you plan on livnig in Georgia as a mechanic.
At 3:54:56 PM on 1/29/02, VInGens said:
WHY must everyone hate on Georgia so much? That bothers me :P
At 4:46:46 PM on 1/29/02, Ceratopsian said:
Hey, I happen to like Georgia VinGens. Oh, I may be arrogant Rictor, but at least I'm straight.
At 4:56:15 PM on 1/29/02, Bling said:
hey i lived in georgia
At 5:38:48 PM on 1/29/02, mr.elliesattler said:
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
At 9:24:34 PM on 1/29/02, Rictor said:
Ceratopsian, being straight does not give you character or class or an automatic intelligence (apparently).
I think I will write a fanfic featuring Alan and Billy finding a little 12 year old that runs around with the name Ceratopsian and have him get beaten up by Eric. Worse yet, have Amanda Kirby kick Ceratopsian's butt. LOL And then Ceratopsian wakes up hanging upside down on Isla Nublar from a tree with 2 raptors jumping up at him...
Just kidding.
At 9:31:06 PM on 1/29/02, Ceratopsian said:
Go ahead
At 10:49:08 PM on 1/29/02, Rictor said:
LOL.
Okay... here goes. We'll call you Certa.
Our story takes place at a Marine Base, Camp Pendelton, in San Diego. Amanda Kirby, still sore and dirty from her adventures on Isla Nublar, over heard a young man making gay jokes about Billy and Dr. Grant. Still filled with adrenaline from her fight for life on the dinosaur island, she grabbed Certa by his collar and dragged him against his will over to her just landed helicopter.
"You think making fun of gay people is funny? I'll show you whats funny!"
Certa struggled to break free from the Oklahoma woman's grip. "Let me go," he yelled.
Eric Kirby, Amanda's young teenage son, came running over. "Mom what are you doing to him?"
Amanda threw Certa into the helicopter and locked the door shut. She backed away from the helicopter and gave the military pilot the thumbs up to take off. Certa was on his way to an island off of Costa rica.
Eric walked over to his mother who was out of breath. "Mom, whats with Alan and Dr Grant?" He pointed to where both men were standing.
Amanda glanced over and saw something she did not expect. "Um, Eric, just drop it. It's none of our business."
"But mom, they're kissing!"
"So? Your uncle Dan is gay. What do you think those kind of poeople do? listen to Madonna all day long? Come on, lets look for your father."
At 11:28:54 PM on 1/29/02, arvingeddon said:
you know, if somebody made like a fan fic about lex and ellie or sarah and ellie getting it on there'd be a LOT less complaints. i personally find "fans" that would lose faith in their favorite movie just because their favorite characters were homosexual (not saying that they are, but if there's a site about it, there must be some evidence to it).
what if it was true? what if crichton or spielberg or neill goes and says "grant and billy are gay lovers," would it really take away from your enjoyment of the movie? well, i got news for you, they never said they were flat-out straight, so that possibility has always been there. you having a problem with it is just that, a problem with you.
At 11:59:15 PM on 1/29/02, Raptor Strike said:
Nice story Rictor but it had mistakes. For one Alan and Dr. Grant are the same guy. And were you trying to make fun of Dan by saying that he's gay???
At 12:01:06 AM on 1/30/02, Raptor Strike said:
Hahahahah!!! I can't believe some people don't know what a fanfic is!!! Ah sigh....
At 1:54:36 AM on 1/30/02, Rictor said:
Sorry, my proof reader, Ceratopsian, was busy in bible study and couldn't read my work in time for the deadline. LOL
At 2:08:21 AM on 1/30/02, Rictor said:
Oh and I used the name "Dan" as an homage, out of respect. :-) Not to make fun of. Like I said, my proof reader was unavailable. By the way Raptor Strike, Do you listen to N'Sync?
At 7:50:53 AM on 1/30/02, Ceratopsian said:
Ooh that was SO funny and it hurt my feelings SO bad.....
Get a life Rictor.
At 11:41:20 AM on 1/30/02, JP SUPERFREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! said:
Well heres my two cents. I honestly think all of you who are posting gaybashing messages are repulsive. I have a friend who happens to be gay and I showed him the messages. He got a good laugh over your subintelligence.
Also, regarding these stories, this phenomenon all started with K-S zines 20 years ago. These were fanzines written mostly by horny middle aged housewives and they were homosexual fan fics about Captain Kirk and Mister Spock with eachother. Mostly it was women who subscribed to these magazines because they wanted to read sexual stories about these characters, but didn't really want to read about them with other women (same thing as guys reading steamy fiction about lesbians). This spawned a whole genre of pornography. Picard and Riker, Frodo and Sam, Indy and Marcus Alan and Billy, just to name a few. In all cases its a few gay people who read them and a LOT of middle aged women who write the fiction. Strange but true.
Just for the record I am not gay nor a middle aged woman (I'm an 18 year old straight man, If any ladies reading this are interested) and I have never actually read any of these odd fan fics.
-Freaker
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And there you have it. I thought I wold join the fun and post the idiots I have encountered. Below is the link to the Alan and Billy group hompepage just in case anyone is interested in seeing it. Ta Ta For Now.
-Ford Prefect