newinchrist2003: zedechiah: find any ancient text that have less copyist errors asa percentage than the Massoretic text of the OT? Absolutely not. You cannot admit such a thing becuase it embarrasses your lame atheist philosophy.
     cobra_lord15: the bees didnt have to be given anything if the colony didnt conserve space it would die there for only the succesfull bees descendence are around today
     Ray: anything newer than Bultmann and Dibelius
     Finn: newinchrist2003: The mabinogion.
     zedechiah_the_messiah *mlaughs @ %mKen *m
     happily_ex_fundy: Newinchrist, a gum-wrapper description of the mechanism of evolution is variation among individuals combined with natural selection. Variation in individuals can be seen as an aspect of randomness (though it doesn't actually *have* to be random). Natural selection is not at all random, it is brutally non-random.
     Finn: newinchrist2003: The poetic eddas.
     the crow: what verise are u looking for?
     zedechiah_the_messiah Ray i gave it to you a coupla days ago
     Finn: newinchrist2003: The Book of Ulster.
     theist_by_knowledge: zedechiah is atheist and has philosophies?
     Finn: newinchrist2003: The Tales of taleisin.
     dr_atheist: zed: come on. the bees are still trying to figure out the other riddle
     itskafka: newin.... so let me get this straight.... Jews were good copiers so god exists? Sort of a weak argument there.
     newinchrist2003: finngoth: links please
     Ray: oh Schmid
     theist_by_knowledge: newinchrist, you must be mistaken.
     rev_musashi_chan: oh, the bible is true because it wasn't copied incorrectly? lol
     Demiurge: newinchrist: The Codex of Hammurabi
     rev_musashi_chan: newinchrist, I hope you don't think that's evidence for creation
     newinchrist2003: demiurge: links please
     Ray: all that stuff pretty standard reading
     Demiurge: links?
     gumptiondude: i think i am mildly auitics
     gumptiondude: autistic
     Demiurge: The Codex of Hammurabi....I even fucking SPELLED it for you
     Finn: newinchrist2003: Certainly. I will not provide you with links to these, for they aren't on the web. They are available in copyrighted works, but I shall certainly give you the bibliography I am working from.
     dr_atheist: mildly?
     gumptiondude: lol dr
     Ray: but why do place so much credence in works that have been outdated
     zedechiah_the_messiah jeez Ken, youre not even aware of the Code of Hammurapi? wow.
     itskafka: I have a copy of The Hobbit from 1953...a nd one from last year..a nd they are EXACTLY THE SAME! All hail the lord Bilbo!
     Ray: you
     cobra_lord15: if sum bum rights call 282 5601 for a free blow job and i copie it its true right?
     alex_corvis2003 left the room
     chronokhan: I may be mistaken, but isn't there a plate of Hittite writing dating back to 3000's BC?
     newinchrist2003: demiurge: prove the Hammarabi Code has less copyist error percentage than the Masoretic text.
     Ray: trent : kinda like this room
     chronokhan: (since it would be an etched rock, it was not a copy of something...)
     månestardust (manestardust) joined the room
     Demiurge: newinchrist: For what purpose?
     newinchrist2003: demiurge: provide a link
     Finn: newinchrist2003: The Bardic Source Book - Inspirational Legacy and Teachings of the Ancient Celts; John Matthews, Ed. 1998 Blandford Press ISBN: 0-7137-2785-3
     dr_atheist: chrino: yes, i have the origical copy right here. let me just clear off the pizza and coffee stains.
     cobra_lord15: the copy errors have nothing to do with the debate newin
     gumptiondude: like they are getting some kind of divine revelation
     newinchrist2003: finngoth: a link
     zedechiah_the_messiah Ken likes to ask for evidence that he himself provides. Hes kinda silly and irrational
     Demiurge: newinchrist: Nice evasion tactic
     chronokhan: ...or is it Assyrian....
     newinchrist2003: links?
     laughingphilosopher: newinchrist, why a link? What's wrong with doing library research?
     chronokhan: damn it, now I have to go look it up...
     Ray: Akkadian
     cobra_lord15: ask me for a links asshat. new
     newinchrist2003: links?
     Demiurge: Now, back to your god claim...
     laughingphilosopher: newinchrist, why a link? What's wrong with doing library research?
     radardog: Internet researchers = funny. lol
     newinchrist2003: links?
     Finn: newinchrist2003: I told you, they do not exist on the web because they are copyrighted works, and publishing them on the web would be stealing from the author and publishers.
     zedechiah_the_messiah because Ken doesnt understand the Dewey Decimal System
     itskafka: Isn't it amazing that the christers claim an innerrant bible except when they get stuck on a verse they can't rectify with a just god then it's because on unclear translations.
     dr_atheist: i think new mean
     laughingphilosopher: Are you simply lazy, newinchrist?
     dr_atheist: dinks
     newinchrist2003: links?
     zenpunk left the room
     katlynnhow joined the room
     laughingphilosopher: Are you simply lazy, newinchrist?
     Demiurge: newinchrist: Last chance, write it down: CODEX OF HAMMURABI
     chronokhan: Yes, Akkadian, thanks
     Finn: newinchrist2003: The Poetic Edda; Lee M. Hollander, Trans.University of Texas Press, Austin 1999. ISBN: 0-292-76499-5
     radardog: Especially exclusively internet researchers.
     Ray: yw
     Demiurge: If you want a LINK, here---> www.google.com
     newinchrist2003: ok you cannot prove your claims. ok
     happily_ex_fundy: demi
     Demiurge: newinchrist: Just did
     rev_musashi_chan: newinchrist certainly dropped the evolution argument quickly....guess he ran out of creationist catch-phrases
     zedechiah_the_messiah Code, not codex. codices were the early roman version of books
     chronokhan: new, they are providing sources...
     cobra_lord15: no we can prove our claims it is you who have proved nothing. newin
     zedechiah_the_messiah Hammurapis code is a stele
     Demiurge: newinchrist: Prove a claim?? I'd LOVE to see you do that!!! When?
     laughingphilosopher: newinchrist, you're kidding. You've been given actual *books* to read, and you think that entails not being able to prove one's claims>?
     Finn: newinchrist2003: You likely could find the Mabinogion on the web, simply by googling for it; It has been published for over a hundred years.
     newinchrist2003: links?
     keekee_ramone: Even if the Bible were 100% intact from the original text, it't mean anything. Dianetics is 100% intact from the original and thousands of people believe in it. That doesn't make it true.
     Demiurge: www.google.com
     Alcyonian is back
     Alcyonian: Nice Finngoth: I was able to locate on isbn alone.
     happily_ex_fundy: hi Alcy
     newinchrist2003: if you cannot win the debate here I understand
     cobra_lord15: the xian complushion to see the world as ugly makes it sp
     Demiurge: newinchrist: You have to click on it
     keekee_ramone: "it wouldn't" rather
     zedechiah_the_messiah ...and Ken what youre looking for are Laws 209,210 and Exodus 21:22-23
     laughingphilosopher: newinchrist, let us know why we should provide you with links?
     dr_atheist: bees?
     zedechiah_the_messiah as examples
     trentonator: yes
     Alcyonian: Hello, happily_ex_fundy
     trentonator: 1 3 7
     theist_by_knowledge: Hammurapi codex is a black doorite stele-carved upright stone slab.
     rev_musashi_chan: newinchrist, your entire argument against evolution didn't even MENTION evolutionary theory
     Finn: newinchrist2003: Simply because you're an ignorant, uneducated twit who's never been in the library does not mean we aren't winning the debate.
     newinchrist2003: ok. no proof. i understand
     rev_musashi_chan: so don't accuse us of not being able to debate
     theist_by_knowledge: diorite.
     Demiurge: newinchrist: You can't seem to START a debate....now about those claims of yours...
     cobra_lord15: we are winning new.
     Alcyonian: Finngoth: Oh and I understand about "copyrights". Our university applies the same thing with internal refernece notes that have not taken a public podium.
     Ray: theist: I hope you can distinguish between "code" and "codex"
     Alcyonian: *reference
     theist_by_knowledge: from the 12th century b.c.
     laughingphilosopher: Unless you can provide us with a valid reason why books printed by university presses are insufficient, then you have absolutely no reason to say that nobody's presented any proof.
     zedechiah_the_messiah: Hammurapis Code is a stele. It is not a codex. Codices would not be invented for another 2000 years
     zedechiah_the_messiah 1750bce = Code of Hammurapi
     Ray: ty zed
     chronokhan: new, since when are books not acceptable source material?
     cobra_lord15: your fucked new. your fucked more than an alter boy.
     zedechiah_the_messiah Ray, gimme a quarter
     Ray: not a chance
     Demiurge: *sigh* newinchrist, HERE IS YOUR LINK--->http://www.bible-history.com/ancient_art/law_codex_hammurabi.html
     Alcyonian: And alot of student publications go about 5 years on printed texual version before going online. It's to do with copyright as well.
     zedechiah_the_messiah cheap bastard
     Ray: lol
     trentonator: it depends the severerity
     Finn: newinchrist2003: The reasons these works that I am citing have survived for so long, without copyist error, is because of the techniques of the Bards of the ancient Celtic world. They did not write anything down, but developed a complex system of poetic and song-writing rules, and comitted everything to memory. The rules served to make parts of the songs re-constructable.
     theist_by_knowledge: it was found at Susa in 12th century.
     zedechiah_the_messiah give me a quarter or ill touch you
     laughingphilosopher: So, what's your reason for rejecting a published book for some crap on the internet?
     Ray gives zed a quarter....
     Ray: freak
     cobra_lord15: can you read new?
     zedechiah_the_messiah wins
     newinchrist2003: eviisausage: not necessarily true for ADHD. if you have high intelligence, no attention problems, but hyperactivity you can do well in school
     Demiurge: newinchrist: Links?
     Demiurge: newinchrist: Well???
     itskafka: Uh Oh.. looks like newin was a ADHD kid... that explains a lot.
     Demiurge: Dumbass changes the subject again
     zedechiah_the_messiah Ken panics and switches his topic to ADD. Its his only defense
     chronokhan: notice how new suddenly moves away from the subject once a link is provided....
     chronokhan: this is classic
     Demiurge: *sigh* newinchrist, HERE IS YOUR LINK--->http://www.bible-history.com/ancient_art/law_codex_hammurabi.html
     Alcyonian: Finngoths reference is more VIABLE and CREDIBLE then a http://members. because the citation complies with APA which is used throughout america and european countries. He supplied the isbn, author, book title and publication.
     cobra_lord15: what the hell did that statement have to do with anything newin. please clarify
     Alcyonian: *than
     itskafka: Has anyone ever seen newin and brenton in the room at the same time???
     Ray: no Zed get your ears on
     Ray: geezz
     newinchrist2003: eviisausage: what you said was true for ADD but not true for ADHD.
     happily_ex_fundy left the room
     happily_ex_fundy joined the room
     Alcyonian: By doing that, no publication laws were breached. and cited a credible source.
     zedechiah_the_messiah screw that. voice sucks. its sucked since Yahoo started playing games. Besides the wife just went to bed
     Ray: ah
     cobra_lord15: itskafka.no i havent
     Alcyonian: publication/copyright.
     musashi_of_rocketto_dan left the room
     God ? Myth or Magi (just_me_29670) joined the room
     Ray: hey justin
     cobra_lord15: hi god
     laughingphilosopher left the room
     God ? Myth or Magi: idyessssss
     God ? Myth or Magi: i am finaly in this damn fucking room
     Ray: lol lucky you
     Demiurge: ADD is a fucking joke.....I've seen its "diagnosis" used to hold back bright kids
     månestardust: Welcome God
     cobra_lord15: dont u feel special god
     roxy_3024 joined the room
     Ray: multiple different?
     Alcyonian: ADD is often mistaken for forms of autism and development disorders.
     cobra_lord15: i think new is stumped he stopped posting.
     sjb_632 left the room
     sara2 (sara2smile2) joined the room
     Ray: wb
     God ? Myth or Magi: saraaaaa
     sara2: ty
     happily_ex_fundy: sara
     sara2: justinnn
     Alcyonian student in my class is writing a dissertation on Autism and Differentiating Autism.
     blackheartedprofit: ADHD kids just need a good slapping
     Finn: newinchrist2003: When a trained bard, who were universally schooled in law, tradition, lore, heraldry, instruments, songwriting, poetry-writing, secret languages, signs, and memory techniques, created poems to commemorate events, they di so with a formalised system that ensured that other bards would be able to memorise the poem, without forgetting parts of it.
     sara2: lol happily
     Finn: The other bards could easily reconstruct the structure and matter of the poem. One thing necessarily followed another, and departure was frowned upon or used as a technique for hiding data from the untrained observer.
     newinchrist2003: demiurge: you link was not relevant. does not compare the copyist error percentages of Hammurabi code with Massoretic text of OT.
     Alcyonian: You want Hammurabi? brb
     happily_ex_fundy: sara, lol, why?
     itskafka: newin... man.. you want someone to do everything for you don't you? What a lazy bleater you are.
     Demiurge: newinchrist: Your question is not relevant....but we humored you anyway.
     zedechiah_the_messiah Ken is asking a nonsense question
     newinchrist2003: ADHD is quite curable: www.mindalive.com and www.actg.org
     chronokhan: new, I guess you don't know what was pictured on that site then.....
     God ? Myth or Magi: zoe lill sara evii ray every hunter god damn too many poepl i know
     God ? Myth or Magi: hi alll
     sara2: no reason, maybe its your nick..makes me laugh happily
     theist_by_knowledge: newinchrist, what would your assertion prove if it were shown to be true?
     happily_ex_fundy: thanks!
     Demiurge: newinchrist: How many copyist errors ARE there on an ORIGINAL???? Dumbshit
     cobra_lord15: go look at porn newin. its fun and you can wack off instead of losing a debate.
     zedechiah_the_messiah there are only two or so examples of Hammurapis code. And its in stone. It will be copyist error free. And besides Ken has NO idea what hes talking about.
     månestardust:
     Ray: happily...are you christian or just ex-fundy?
     manofyerdreamz left the room
     chronokhan: new, there is no copy error because it's the original! They have pictures of it on the site, no less.
     Ray: oh god stan alert
     Ray:
     newinchrist2003: simple. The Jews (Massorites) were fanatical about preserving their text with accuracy because they new it was true.
     zedechiah_the_messiah issues of textual families has NOTHING to do with copying errors. It has to do with consistencies within particular text types
     happily_ex_fundy: Ray, I'm both ex-fundy and ex-christian.
     Finn: newinchrist2003: There are welsh poems commemorating the "Matter of britain" that survived into the early 1900's, and have been shown to be absolutely consistent with those recorded in the 1300's, those recorded by french heralds in the 1570's, those recorded by King Henry the *th, and those collected from wlesh pubs in the 1800's.
     cobra_lord15: gnite peoples
     Demiurge: newinchrist: the picture is of an ORIGINAL, not a copy--->http://www.bible-history.com/ancient_art/law_codex_hammurabi.html
     itskafka: Or perhaps they were just fanatics.
     dr_atheist: new: it's true because they say it is. go on
     happily_ex_fundy: or, as my old friends, would say, I'm backslidin
     Ray:
     cobra_lord15 left the room
     Lorila_Ann (lorila_ann) joined the room
     Ray: lucky you
     leftbehind81 left the room
     Ray: bummer
     practidel joined the room
     happily_ex_fundy: what's a bummer, Ray?
     Demiurge: newinchrist: So now that I've proven that the Codex of Hammurabi has less copyist errors than the Massoretic text of the OT, what do you have to say?
     sara2: hey alec
     katlynnhow left the room
     zenpunk joined the room
     alec_kohut_1: Sara
     newinchrist2003: trent: ADHD is very curable. 95% success rate with one therapy. recently published in the journal of Neurotherapy. www.mindalive.com
     Ray: voice...stan was in accident
     sara2: How is the dude Alec?
     zedechiah_the_messiah CODE of Hammurapi...CODE of Hammurapi
     Demiurge: Bow down and worship Enki, for the Codex hath no flaws!
     zedechiah_the_messiah CODEX is a leaf style BOOK of the ROMAN ERA
     Finn: newinchrist2003: Your "holy text" apaprently cannot survive even a few hundred years without copyist errors, editing liberties taken with it, political revision for gain of the royalty in power, and being used selectively (ala ignoring the Old Testament, but still citing some part of it).
     Demiurge: zed: The manuscript is titled the Codex, or "book"
     blackheartedprofit left the room
     Rev. Stan (rev_random_stan) joined the room
     zedechiah_the_messiah Demi, no. its not. It is a stele
     Demiurge: yeah, yeah, I didn't invent the appelation.
     gumptiondude: yeah i know
     gumptiondude: i shoudlnt
     gumptiondude: shame on me
     gumptiondude: but shes so hot though
     zedechiah_the_messiah a stele is a free standing text written in stone - they are generally royal decrees. Usually about conquests, but can be otherwise, such as legal annoucements
     dr_atheist: haha
     sara2: who Ray???
     zenpunk: what does it mean to live like a christian? to be good?
     sara2:
     newinchrist2003: demiurge: i didn't see anything that said the picture was an original. it could have been a copy. How would you know?
     gumptiondude left the room
     Ray: sara
     gumptiondude joined the room
     Demiurge: newinchrist: Wow....I thought a good Christian would admit when he/she was wrong.
     manestardust left the room
     månestardust (manestardust) joined the room
     sara2: zenpuke, hello
     God ? Myth or Magi: rolling eyes i want to be like ray
     gumptiondude: <--- tempted by lust
     God ? Myth or Magi: noooooooot
     gumptiondude: damnit
     gumptiondude: lol
     zenpunk: sara2 is the least revolting christian I ever met
     theist_by_knowledge: newinchrist, I believe that comparing the text would be more beneficial to you within debate. For instance, if you look at both, you will se many similarities. lex talionis, interpreted as "an eye for an eye" can also be found in Exodus 21:24.
     gumptiondude: " you odnt wnat to get your ass burned"
     happily_ex_fundy: candice?
     sara2: least revolting is a compliment
     zenpunk: heh
     zenpunk: yes
     God ? Myth or Magi: evii dont talk about ray and his cousins like that
     God ? Myth or Magi: lol
     Alcyonian: HAMMURABI sourcers from EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTES http://eawc.evansville.edu/anthology/hammurabi.htm http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/CODE.HTM http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/hammenu.htm
     sara2:
     happily_ex_fundy: oh.
     Evil Sausage: lol myth.
     lorila_ann left the room
     you_mithraists_dont_think joined the room
     Alcyonian: *sources
     newinchrist2003: finngoth: link?
     zenpunk: oops, excuse me, its iggy time
     Der Strebender Ubermensch: yawn
     zenpunk: oh wait a minute
     zedechiah_the_messiah Hammurpis Laws 209,210 = Exodus 21:22-23
     Demiurge: Anu the Sublime....catchy title!
     God ? Myth or Magi: zoe
     God ? Myth or Magi: are we still going to get thattank
     sara2: grading for repetitive themes and ignoring
     happily_ex_fundy: oy vey.
     *** candice2027 will be ignored.
     Der Strebender Ubermensch: @ "you mithraists don't think"
     zedechiah_the_messiah hahah Ken i like the way you pretend not to see all the links
     theist_by_knowledge: zedechiah, my point is only that it would make for a better debate.
     God ? Myth or Magi: <----- is a army of one
     God ? Myth or Magi: lol
     zenpunk: gump, orgasms are of the devil
     Der Strebender Ubermensch: <---a navy of none
     God ? Myth or Magi: zen lmao
     Ray: ok trent
     newinchrist2003: link?
     zedechiah_the_messiah is point is to inform Ken of that which he is plainly ignorant of, and yet wishes to build an argument upon
     God ? Myth or Magi: ray is homo phobic
     newinchrist2003: link?
     Alcyonian: KEN KEN KEN KEN KEN KEN KEN KEN KEN KEN - HAMMURABI sources from EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTES http://eawc.evansville.edu/anthology/hammurabi.htm http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/CODE.HTM http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/hammenu.htm
     Finn: newinchrist2003: The bards of the ancient celtic world employed data-preserving techniques, that were later re-discovered and implemented through mathematics. Songs followed formulae, poems followed complex systems that gave those trained in the arts indication from the first few verses how the remainder would be structured. This allowed them to survive for so long.
     zedechiah_the_messiah points out it already backfired once with the "copyist errors" question
     theist_by_knowledge: newinchrist, what do you think is the specific difference between the Code of Hammurapi and the OT?
     God ? Myth or Magi: ty zen
     Demiurge: newinchrist: You have to CLICK on the link.
     gumptiondude: trent is playing Jesus' advocate
     God ? Myth or Magi: trent i think he would
     zenpunk: dont mention it
     God ? Myth or Magi: lol
     keekee_ramone: 2 guys? do tell
     sara2: We usually know when we sin, if we are strong enough to look at ourselves honestly
     Ray: would Christ lust periond.
     God ? Myth or Magi: evii what do you think
     God ? Myth or Magi: lol
     Finn: newinchrist2003: Must i remind you that you've been told that many of these works do not exist on the Web, because that would involve theft?
     zenpunk: gump, you are supposed to never get horny
     theist_by_knowledge: Ray, no.
     theist_by_knowledge: nor could.
     Ray: thank you theist
     gumptiondude: lol zen
     Alcyonian: Washington State. Evans Uni and Yale University suffice as credible sources with copyright intact.
     newinchrist2003: alcynonian: i appreciate the link but you stepped into the conversation late. it is not pertinent to our debate
     zedechiah_the_messiah groans
     theist_by_knowledge: newinchrist, can you attempt to answer my question?
     sara2: thanks alot just
     Alcyonian: newinchrist2003: Does NOT negate the fact that they ARE valid.
     Lil Miss Atheist: sits in evil's lap and bounced up and down
     Alcyonian: VALID sources that you are REFUSING to look at.
     newinchrist2003: theist : please repeat question
     Ray: hi LMA
     Alcyonian: BECAUSE they squash YOUR claims.
     Lil Miss Atheist: hi ray
     Demiurge: newinchrist: You fucking coward...you demand for links, stooping even to scrolling, THEN refuse to look at them
     theist_by_knowledge: newinchrist, what do you think is the specific difference between the Code of Hammurapi and the OT?
     Lil Miss Atheist pokes mÃ¥nestardust in the chest
     zenpunk: pleasure is one of the best reasons I can think of for having sex
     månestardust:
     Finn: newinchrist2003: http://www.cyberphile.co.uk/~taff/taffnet/mabinogion/mabinogion.htm .. Pay particular attention to the section that states " he earliest text of any part of the Mabinogion is dated in the mid-thirteenth century, but the style and content indicate that it probably took its current form some 200 years before this".
     Alcyonian: Public forum. Open chat room. Everyone can peruse the discussions in progress. I therefore, can validly suppy that, which you claim can't be.
     God ? Myth or Magi: lillmisss
     månestardust slaps lil with a fish
     God ? Myth or Magi: hihihihiihih
     God ? Myth or Magi: let get zoe and the tank and let get this going
     zenpunk: evilsausage, I hear everything youre saying and I agree, but it's so dirty
     rev_random_stan left the room
     jesusfollower002 joined the room
     månestardust: tanks
     sara2: sex was designed to be pleasurable, its who...when and why its occuring that ends up being the sin in SOME situations
     God ? Myth or Magi: zoe justin and lill mis armyof one
     zenpunk: humping = of satan
     Alcyonian: Because I stepped in DURING an ongoing discussion does NOT negate the fact that I have supplied THREE valid sources from THREE universities who do NOT have copyright infringements. and thus is a VALID source. Therefore your claims are DEBUNK.
     theist_by_knowledge: I believe that there is much more material to debate when comparing the text.
     newinchrist2003: eviisausage: according to the massive Sex in America survey conservative prtotestant women had the greatest amount of sexual satisfaction of any other group in america. so obviously, Christianity is not anti sex.
     

Follow Ups: