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Posted by Hunter [12.211.199.55 - 12-211-199-55.client.attbi.com] on 03 March 2003 at 18.27.50 ZuluTime:
brenton_spears :
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:02:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :yeah you're animals doing it in the privacy of your divans
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:03:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :or have you forgotten that islam legitimisises polygamy
brenton_spears :legitimises
brenton_spears :please dont affect to be superior to me...mussulman....but only to these others here who are atheists
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:04:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :the godless ones
brenton_spears :my morality i derive from aquinas
brenton_spears :know your true enemy
brenton_spears :and i am he
brenton_spears :remember lepanto...when my ancestors crushed yours...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:05:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :im not sure i agree with that staement shag....i think atheistic humanism is the biggest threat of all
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:06:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :after all how many died in the collapse of the twin towers
brenton_spears :a few thousand perhaps
brenton_spears :but how many babies are slaughtered each year in america..in the name of a woman's liberty
brenton_spears :and this genocide is sanctioned by american law.//
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:07:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :millions of children murdered in the name of a woman's liberty
brenton_spears :in america
brenton_spears :that is why the pope called american culture the culture of death
looking4ashagnotafag1 : brenton u are as bad as abdul
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:08:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :this is a genocide on an unprecedented scale ..the secular west is morally inferior to even the taliban
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:09:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated in the words of a great american writer
psychic_static : brenton, those little rug rats were born in sin anyway
damian_3597 : brenton,. just leave it at the fact that everysingle human being is in one way or another messed up and imoure,. just loathe the enitre race man...
false_john : brenton: defining exactly when "human" life begins is tricky. I even once had a Baptist pastor ask me "If the souls of unborn babies automatically go to heaven, then why is abortion wrong?" I had no answer. Do you?
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:10:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
looking4ashagnotafag1 : brenton....what was it like before legalised abortion....was it a better system?...were u alive to see it?
brenton_spears :i construe letting god sort it ought as amounting to desisting from killing babies blighted by sin...and not instead killing them and letting god see fit thereafter where he might send them to..whether hevaen or hell
brenton_spears :let be god and every man a liar
brenton_spears :the vengeance is mine saith the lord
brenton_spears :i will repay
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:11:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :beware the wrath of christ
Munkey_Atheist : brenton_spears: Abortions is good for the economy.
brenton_spears :beware o room his dreadful wrath
looking4ashagnotafag1 : brenton...get a life and stop being so fearful like the muslim who was just in the room
brenton_spears :beware the sight of his face which shall strike terror into thine hearts
false_john : looking; I'm not sure I buy the "apocalyptic" pre-legal abortion argument for abortion, based on the fact the the activists in America inflated their numbers ten-fold in an effort to scare us, but I think abortion still should be legal.
brenton_spears :for when he cometh again it shall be to judge the quick and the dead...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:12:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
looking4ashagnotafag1 : is he a loving god brenton?....terror?...lol
brenton_spears :of whose kingdom there shall be no end...
brenton_spears :the lord christ will return again to judge the world by fire
looking4ashagnotafag1 : u r so scared brenton
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:13:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :men and angels shall be forced to stand before his blood-soaked throne...there to give an account before him of all their doings
brenton_spears :spherical..with christ a thousand years is as but a day....
spherical_bastards : brenton you kno wyou lie he said within that generation
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:14:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :and therefore ....what by our reckoning is an immense exanse of time..is to him ...only an instant..
brenton_spears :spherical u misinterpret his words..
spherical_bastards : brenton it said all these things would come to pass before the end of that generation
looking4ashagnotafag1 : brenton....GO AWAY!...we dont want any
spherical_bastards : its what it says
brenton_spears :u have no right to interpret the scriptures on your own cognisance...
damian_3597 : brenton,.. you suck, suck soooo much,.. its just rediculous.... wow,........ sucky sucky person,..... *sigh*...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:15:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :you must interpret the passages of holy writ you speak of, according to the mind of the church
spherical_bastards : this great god needs someone special to translate it for his creation ?
spherical_bastards : then whats the use of calling it a god ?
brenton_spears :not all matters are treated in holy with the same degree of perspicacity....
spherical_bastards : why would a God need a book ?
brenton_spears :holy writ
psychic_static : wrong brenton, screw the church - you don't care about what jesus was about
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:16:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :the text of the scriptures is not uniformly perspicuous..
brenton_spears :that is why my advice to u..is....ite ad thomam...
spherical_bastards : shouldn't a god who is capable of creation surely be able to get his message to his creation without fawed boosk and false doctrines ?
brenton_spears :go to thomas
spherical_bastards : why would i go to thimas ?
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:17:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
spherical_bastards : thomas*
brenton_spears :read the compendium theologiae ( a sort of synopsis of his larger magnum opus)...wherein that passage you have spoken of is indeed correctly interpreted...
spherical_bastards : a God should be able to show itself to me
brenton_spears :in fact i will save you the trouble...
brenton_spears :i will expound it to you
spherical_bastards : it should be instinctual
brenton_spears :for i am that man who can do this....
brenton_spears :fear factor time boy
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:18:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :u challenged me..
brenton_spears :wrong bet
lissianthus : jombie
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:19:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :imagine a world where your greatest fears are realised...that world sphere...is breaking in upon you.,.now...simply because i should have made my presence felt within these precincts...
brenton_spears :that world is closing in upon u now..
spherical_bastards : brenton you ... are you a god ?
brenton_spears :since you have dared to address yourself to me..after the fashion of one who would in my presence dare to presume to cavil at the authority of christ our lord...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:20:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :now that i have noticed you...turned my gaze towards you so to speak......you will very shortly live to regret having challenged me in so rash and public a fashion...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:21:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :my boy....this is the big leagues..and u have bitten off more than u can chew..
brenton_spears :ask yourself my boy...do i realy really want to be publicly humiliated by brenton?????
brenton_spears :im taking to sphere...
spherical_bastards : sure you do because i asked
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:22:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : Brenton: I think that line was "Do you feel lucky, punk?"
brenton_spears :i would have imagined that those of you paying attention would have been able by now to have surmised as much..but i forget the manner of men and women with whom i should typically have to do in this room...
brenton_spears :sphere....the game is on....
brenton_spears :ohhhhh....im so excited
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:23:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :just working the kinks out of my neck and fingers...before i deal with sphere...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:24:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :he should have known better than to make moronic remarks about the bible when i was here....too late for him now though....
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:25:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:26:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:27:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :the passage to which you refer does not represent the christ as predicting his second advent to be bound to take place before the demise of the generation to which he belonged....it only appears to do so...
the_chainsawpsycho : Atheistic: Reason has the attitude for fucking shit up. I just hope he follows through. :)
somersetcase1 : Munkey See, brenton here has a problem...He can't control himself around woman. He gets those dirty little thoughts, and doesn't know how to stop them. SO, he blames the woman for having the audacity to exist in the first place! LOL
brenton_spears :somerset stop slandering me this instant
brenton_spears :shut up..i am engaged upon a serious debate now....thank u...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:28:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
spherical_bastards : lol brenton that is funny
somersetcase1 : brenton No slander at all. I've got your number and you know it!
jaywolly : BS, how are you being slandered???
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : Brenton: No one is debating you.
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : Brenon is just talking to himself. Any moment now he'll claim victory over someone.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:29:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :he says that i blame the girls for existing..but that i do not do..i just blame them for not striving to be as holy as is required of them by god...and as my mom is
psychic_static : early xtians cared so little to record jesus' bio because they expected rapture any day
somersetcase1 : LOL
Munkey_Atheist : debating brenton_spears is like debating Captian Cliché
brenton_spears :and my mom too doesnt like the modern girls...
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : . o O ( Mother, do you think she's dangerous....to me? )
brenton_spears :look at the way they dress on the beaches...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:30:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :they wear two-piece swimsuits...what are known as 'bikinis'...
somersetcase1 : OH!!! Well, allow me to rephrase. He doesn't blame them for existing, he blames them for not dressing neck to toe in some plain woolen garment so HE doesn't have to deal with his own problems of lust!
brenton_spears :this is an affront to the majesty and honor of christ
hunter_the_crazychick : waves at brenton.
hunter_the_crazychick : I'm naked, fucker.
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : giggles
jaywolly : BS, what does mommy wear?
hunter_the_crazychick : Naked naked naked naked naked.....
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : is half-naked.
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : NAKED
Munkey_Atheist : is also half naked.
moronic_middle_class_talk : his own problems of lust
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:31:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
Munkey_Atheist : left half.
somersetcase1 : bren---to--n All the pretty woman are naked!!! Run away before you pop a woody! LOL :-))
hunter_the_crazychick : crawls into zombie's cleavage.
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : would take off her shirt, but it's kinda cold in here.
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : pets NakedHunterintheCleavage.
Munkey_Atheist : hunter, is there room in there for a party?
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:32:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : Munk: hell yeah. Party in Zombie's cleavage!
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : blinks
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : Wait...
jaywolly : is there room for me there?
hunter_the_crazychick : giggles.
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : There's not that much room in here.
brenton_spears :no...no....no....it is just that i am jealous for christ's prerogatives...and the modern girls behave in such a fashion as to be apt even to give the angels occasion for feeling shame on their account...st paul says that ..if a woman dares to uncover her head in a church..she would be giving cause to the angels above to feel shame on her account
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : Well...maybe.
atheistic_palindrome : Brenton, angels feel shame when a woman uncovers her head??!?!
brenton_spears :also st thomas aquinas..says that a woman must shut up in church...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:33:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
somersetcase1 : Seriously though..Is there anyone else in this room, who can't look at a woman in a bikini and NOT freak out in lust, and have to go jack themselves off? I mean, seriously brenton, that's not even evil, it's just imaturity! Grow up!
hunter_the_crazychick : Every time brenton smacks a filthy whore's ass, an angel gets its wings.
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : giggles at Hunter
reason_over_faith : lol hunter.
psychic_static : st thomas a queerass
spherical_bastards : lol hunter
brenton_spears :she says that ...the sound a a female must not be permited to be heard in a church..lest thereby occasion be afforded the men in view of her..and within earshot of her voice...the sin by lusting
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:34:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
somersetcase1 : Well, don't spend anytime over seas. They walk around the beaches topless. Somehow, they manage to do so and the men there don't all freak out. Gee, go figure.
brenton_spears :and no it doesnt bother me that the likes of hunter...o somer..have announced to me that they are naked...because at least in the case of hunter i dont know how she looks like..so in telling me that she is naked she couldnt possibly be serving to tempt me..
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:35:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :and in any case..i have a strong power for self-mastery ...and god will not let me fall...
somersetcase1 : I'm not naked, nor am I a woman..However, the fact that you can't deal with an attractive woman unless she is covered head to toe, is imaturity, not evil, not sinful, not the womans fault. It just shows a need for you to grow up.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:36:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:37:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :in eusebius....i read o somer...of how a holy martyr was tempted
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:38:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
somersetcase1 : yes brenton, and as long as you read the writings of ancient zealots who had the same problem YOU have, then you can always justify. Jesus never mentioned it. Jesus was never tempted by it. Satan didn't even use lust when HE tempted him. He used power and glory..pride...not lust.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:39:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :u see what had happened was that this person had been made to lie prostate on a bed...before being chained to it...and instead of being tortured subsequently as he had expected himself to be...it transpired that a naked harlot entered the room wherein he was incarcerated and surmounted his body her hers, coming to lie atop his supine form...now because of the proximity of their bodies..the fact they were in mutual contact with each other..this martyr found himself unbiddenly becoming aroused sexually....NOW HOW TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM???
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:40:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:41:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :according to eusebius..this martyr bit off his tongue and spat it out at the harlot's face even as it hovered above his...poised as it were to kiss it
somersetcase1 : brenrton quite easily....If you honestly believe that he should not have become aroused, as it was a sin, then it was HIS sin. If you believe that she forced him to sin, then he didn't sin of his own will and it's irrelevent anyway. The entire thing is bullshit. Fact: You can not deal with your own lust problems. *shrug*
brenton_spears :that was what i read in eusebius
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:42:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:43:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:44:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
somersetcase1 : Well, it's funny..The bible says that it is the love of money that is the root of all; evil. Not the love of woman, or of sex. It's pride...power...glory...placing yourself above yourself..That's the worst as far as the bible is concerned. This lust thing was not something Jesus thought that big a problem. He said don't do it! lol It's that simple..He didn't say, force woman to dress so you don't get aroused! heh
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:45:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
alfred_russel_wallace2002 : Brenton...sounds just like the demented propaganda they used to dump on us in Catholic school
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:46:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:47:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:48:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:49:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:50:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :i honestly believe that a man cannot allow himself to become aroused culpably....rather should not do so....but i do envisage situations wherein it would be impossible for us, as fallen men, not to given to feeling within ourselves the faintest stirrings of concupiscence as on account of the fact that through no fault of our own...some object should have served to impinge itself upon our field of vision..an object that in the nature of the case is so constituted as to be liable to provoke lustful feelings in ourselves...somer..u have failed to draw a distinction between a person's becoming aroused in such a manner as should serve to involve him in sin..and his doing so in such a manner as should not, however, serve to involve him in sin..in other words the relevant question is: are there instances wherein a man may feel himself inclined to lust and yet be found by god to be innoncent for feeling himself so to be?
somersetcase1 : brenton Then
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:51:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : Okay, so Brenton can't control his sexual urges, and this is somehow the woman's fault...Got it.
brenton_spears :that is why somersat your account of the matter is insufficiently nuanced
somersetcase1 : Brenton then you have a problem then don't you? If a sin is physicaly unavoidable, then it isn't sin. Either you have a choice not to sin, or you don't. Eiherway, there is no way to rationalize blaming scatily dressed woman because you choose to sin. *shrug*
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:52:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
dymenshan : if if Women would quite spraying their hormones in the air, men wouldn't be horny all the time..
false_john : zombie: If brenton is using his Bible, then he knows Jesus put all the thought problem on the thinker and not on something external to the thinker. It's my problem if I see a hottie and pop wood.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:53:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
somersetcase1 : Personaly brenton, I am still amzed Jesus never adressed this seemingly complicated problem. All he says about lust, is that you shouldn't do it. He says nothing about how difficult it will be, or how the opposite sex has a responsibility to keep you from it. He merely says not to sin via lust. *shrug*
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:54:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :for instance take...the phenomenon of nocturnal emissions...those who are the subjects of this phenomenon....do not incur upon themselves any guilt for this fact...aquinas teaches that if one were to be the subject of such an emission...it would not follow that he had sinned per se..but only the rather that he had been constituted in such a fashion as to be given to doing so.....
brenton_spears :HOORAY I HAVE DEFAETED SOMER
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:55:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :yesssss i have won the debate with a poweful oopponent of mine.....one who has tried to say so many bad things about me on many a prior occasion
brenton_spears :hooooray i have won..
brenton_spears :but i am gracious in victory
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:56:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :the following are the masterful series of responses by which i clinched the victory
brenton_spears :to which somer has NO reply
brenton_spears :i honestly believe that a man cannot allow himself to become aroused culpably....rather should not do so....but i do envisage situations wherein it would be impossible for us, as fallen men, not to given to feeling within ourselves the faintest stirrings of concupiscence as on account of the fact that through no fault of our own...some object should have served to impinge itself upon our field of vision..an object that in the nature of the case is so constituted as to be liable to provoke lustful feelings in ourselves...somer..u have failed to draw a distinction between a person's becoming aroused in such a manner as should serve to involve him in sin..and his doing so in such a manner as should not, however, serve to involve him in sin..in other words the relevant question is: are there instances wherein a man may feel himself inclined to lust and yet be found by god to be innoncent for feeling himself so to be?
false_john : somer: brenton is chumming the ocean for you.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:57:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :that is why somersat your account of the matter is insufficiently nuanced
zombie_is_way_beyond_the_pale : Brenton....You said that already.
brenton_spears :for instance take...the phenomenon of nocturnal emissions...those who are the subjects of this phenomenon....do not incur upon themselves any guilt for this fact...aquinas teaches that if one were to be the subject of such an emission...it would not follow that he had sinned per se..but only the rather that he had been constituted in such a fashion as to be given to doing so.....
brenton_spears :yess that is it
brenton_spears :somer is conquered
brenton_spears :he is defeated
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:58:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
somersetcase1 : brenton...What you are trying to say is aki8n to saying...."If someone leaves a $100.00 bill on a table unprotected, it is their fault if I sin and take it."....Very much the same thing.....They have left temptation open to you, and now YOU have to make a choice. The $100.00 bill is just like the pretty girl...You CHOOSE to sin.
reason_over_faith : brenton is the reason god created coat hangers and back alleys.
brenton_spears :jay..i didn't 'copy' it as u suggest..it was specifically composed by me for the purposes of addressing the specific points spomer had made in his earlier postings
somersetcase1 : :-))
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:59:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:00:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
reason_over_faith : brenton, dude. you are the poster child for RU486. It has your picture with the caption" Do you want THIS the morning after?!?"
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:01:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
somersetcase1 : brenton you can't get around it..Either you have no control over it, and it is therefore incidental and not your fault, or you DO. It's not up to any person to see to it that YOU don't sin..If I leave a brick of gold right in front of you, and you take it, you have sinned. Period.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:03:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :yes it would be their fault for leaving it on the table if they knew that i might, on seeing it, have been tempted to take it but not otherwise...and if i didnt ultimately take it notwithstanding that i should on seeing it have felt myself inclined to be doing so...then i will not have served to have sinned thereby but only the rather to have given evidence of my inclination to sin......THIS IS PROOF I AM SPEAKING IN MY OWN PERSON MORON JAY....see how it directly addresses itself to his analogy about the 100 dollar billl
brenton_spears :NOW who says i cant get around it
brenton_spears :gee whiz i just have
jaywolly : BS, you never answered my question
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: take responsibility for your own actions. It's not my responsibility to make sure you don't wander into my house, locked or unlocked, and take whatever I happen to have on MY OWN PERSONAL TABLE.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:04:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
somersetcase1 : brenton "yes it would be their fault for leaving it on the table if they knew that i might, on seeing it, have been tempted to take it "<----please substantiate that scripturaly
brenton_spears :oic ill adress it now...
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: you can't get around it. I'm not in charge of your feelings; you are. You, and only you.
hunter_the_crazychick : Fuck scriptures, brenton has to make that case in court.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:05:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
somersetcase1 : lol Yeah, I could see that.."I'm innocent your honor!! He left it on the table knowing I would be tempted to steal it, so it's HIS fault!" LOLm That would go real far!
hunter_the_crazychick : somer: and he claims to understand law....
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:06:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :somersat has ony this to say in reply to that masterful past posting of mine..' substantiate what u have said with scripture'.....which applies the reasoning i enunicated above...to the consideration of the analogy HE himself devised..
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: masterful? We asked you to back up your reasoning with something sane. I asked you to successfully argue that angle in court.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:07:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :last posting not past posting..typo..now on to jay/....
somersetcase1 : brenton..The concept is bullshit..It's that simple. Nothing in scripture backs the idea that if someone tempts you to sin, then it's their fault if you do. Was eve pardoned of eating the apple because the serpent tempted her? NO! Your concet is crap, and it doesn't matter how well you state it
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:08:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:09:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :'specfically composed' in contradistinction to 'composed' 'simpliciter'...by using the former phrase i had meant to convey that the particular reply of mine to which it had been replied...ws tailor-made by me....crafted carefully by me..with the express purpose in view of addressing the points raised by somer...
somersetcase1 : brenton For that matter, was Adam pardoned because Eve tempted HIM? NO! Which really blasts your argument, because there is a woman, tempting a man to sin, and God having none of that excuse. Adam chose to sin, and was punished for it. Your concept doesn't fly..sorry
brenton_spears :'specfically composed' in contradistinction to 'composed' 'simpliciter'...by using the former phrase i had meant to convey that the particular reply of mine to which it had been APPLIED...was tailor-made by me....crafted carefully by me..with the express purpose in view of addressing the points raised by somer...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:10:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
somersetcase1 : brenton..The concept is bullshit..It's that simple. Nothing in scripture backs the idea that if someone tempts you to sin, then it's their fault if you do. Was eve pardoned of eating the apple because the serpent tempted her? NO! Your concet is crap, and it doesn't matter how well you state it
somersetcase1 : brenton For that matter, was Adam pardoned because Eve tempted HIM? NO! Which really blasts your argument, because there is a woman, tempting a man to sin, and God having none of that excuse. Adam chose to sin, and was punished for it. Your concept doesn't fly..sorry
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:11:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
somersetcase1 : Sorry brenton..you lose
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:12:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :NO SOMER u are incorrect paul repeatedly admonishes us to make concessions to the inherent weaknesses of our brethen lest they should fall thereby.....and christ speaks explicitly of the heavy penalties liable to befall all those who set themselves up to do the devil's work of destroying souls..
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:13:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :anyway i have utterly defeated somersetcase...here is the proof his last comments have only served to elicit from me yet more masterful replies...
somersetcase1 : brenton irrelevent....What is relevent, is that regardless of temptation, if you sin, YOU are responsible
brenton_spears :this is the record...
jaywolly : BS, I have never seen you "defeat" anyone.
brenton_spears :i honestly believe that a man cannot allow himself to become aroused culpably....rather should not do so....but i do envisage situations wherein it would be impossible for us, as fallen men, not to given to feeling within ourselves the faintest stirrings of concupiscence as on account of the fact that through no fault of our own...some object should have served to impinge itself upon our field of vision..an object that in the nature of the case is so constituted as to be liable to provoke lustful feelings in ourselves...somer..u have failed to draw a distinction between a person's becoming aroused in such a manner as should serve to involve him in sin..and his doing so in such a manner as should not, however, serve to involve him in sin..in other words the relevant question is: are there instances wherein a man may feel himself inclined to lust and yet be found by god to be innoncent for feeling himself so to be?
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:14:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :for instance take...the phenomenon of nocturnal emissions...those who are the subjects of this phenomenon....do not incur upon themselves any guilt for this fact...aquinas teaches that if one were to be the subject of such an emission...it would not follow that he had sinned per se..but only the rather that he had been constituted in such a fashion as to be given to doing so.....
somersetcase1 : genesis 3:17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."
somersetcase1 : brenton..You lose!!!!!!
somersetcase1 : brenton..you lose
brenton_spears :yes it would be their fault for leaving it on the table if they knew that i might, on seeing it, have been tempted to take it but not otherwise...and if i didnt ultimately take it notwithstanding that i should on seeing it have felt myself inclined to be doing so...then i will not have served to have sinned thereby but only the rather to have given evidence of my inclination to sin......THIS IS PROOF I AM SPEAKING IN MY OWN PERSON MORON JAY....see how it directly addresses itself to his analogy about the 100 dollar billl
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:15:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :AND WITH those 3 MASTERFUL RESPONSES.. i have defeated somersat
brenton_spears :guys the verdict is in...
somersetcase1 : brenton..genesis 3:17-19 shows the error of your argument in stunningly clear fasion...You LOSE!!!
brenton_spears :the debate is concluded...
brenton_spears :i have won....
hunter_the_crazychick : laughs at brenton.
gremlin_net : Wow. brenton_spears is actually conceding, for once....
somersetcase1 : brenton, until you deal with genesis 3:17-19..you do nothing but lose
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: somer just beat you by quoting your own book.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:16:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :i instruct the room to ignore all further protestations to the contrary by somerset
brenton_spears :i also instruct the room to ignor his citation of scripture
brenton_spears :i dont accept it
somersetcase1 : LOL
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: I find you in contempt. Someone escort him out back and beat him.
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: I'm not sure you could instruct the room to ignore you, and get it to happen....
brenton_spears :i hereby pronounce it to be null and void
alfred_russel_wallace2002 : Brenton...sin requires volition, and instinctive behavior is hardly volitional.
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: you don't accept your own bible?
brenton_spears :it is inadmissible for the purposes of this debate
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:17:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
somersetcase1 : brenton, once again, you lose, and have to resort to begging the room to ignore me, which they wont. You aregument has been successfuly blasted into the bullshit rationalization it always was....Genesis 3 refutes you. You lose..Accept it or not
brenton_spears :i accept my bible..but not somerset's wresting its meaning in the manner in which he has set it to himself to be doing so...a postively luciferian fashion i might say....after all the devil quotes scripture too in contest with christ...
gremlin_net : You almost have to envy brenton_spears: not everyone can construct an embolistic world in which he actually matters. Of course...most of us wouldn't have to....
hunter_the_crazychick : somer: this is like, the fourth time you've beaten him, and he's pulled the whole 'disregard/strike him from he record' thing.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:18:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
somersetcase1 : no wrestinling necessary..God punished Adam for sin, even though Eve tempted him..Your argument fails! sorry
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: wresting what meaning? It looked pretty literal to me. No 'wresting' needed.
brenton_spears :i therefore hereby pronounce somerset to be the undisputed loser of the debate he has just had with me,.,and myself to be the undisputed winner thereof...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:19:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: pronounce away. Everyone watching has disputed both your assertions.
somersetcase1 : okay, just to show...Anyone who was bothering to listen to brenton and mines debate. Who here thinks brenton won, and who thinks I won?
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: and yet, here we are, disputing your claims. But that's quite alright; I'll just post this where everyone can see it -- AGAIN -- and we can all laugh at your sorry loser KentHovindish ass, again.
jaywolly : I vote for somer
somersetcase1 : 1 for somer
hunter_the_crazychick : Somer won it.
somersetcase1 : 2 for somer
somersetcase1 : I vote for me
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:20:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
somersetcase1 : that's 3 for somer
savedbybob : 4 FOR SOMER
somersetcase1 : 4
somersetcase1 : anyone else
brenton_spears :room please ignore his citation of scripture.....he doesnt know what he is taking about..i hereby instruct the room not to regard his citation of scripture as admissible for the purposes of the debate that has just been concluded between ourselves...
somersetcase1 : okay 4 for somer, 1 for brenton..I win...go home
brenton_spears :who voted for me???
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: your request is denied.
somersetcase1 : brenton YOU
brenton_spears :who is the 1 vote???
gremlin_net : Oh yeah. That reminds me. As the adiminstrator of http://board.grem.tv let me just go on record mentioning that I cannot officially condone the posting of anything brenton_spears says to the forum. Just, you know, for the official record >:)
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:21:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : Brenton: you voted for you.
savedbybob : I THINK YOU COUNT AS THE ONE VOTE BRENTON
brenton_spears :that man is very brilliant...please whoever u are.,..please vote again..don't worry u are right
somersetcase1 : either it's 4-1 or 3-0..depends on how you look at it..eitherway, you lose.
hunter_the_crazychick : BRENTON: YOU VOTED FOR YOU, YOU VAIN LITTLE FUCKER.
somersetcase1 : brenton You are the 1 vote! LOL
gremlin_net : hereby instructs the room to laugh at brenton_spears for a period no shorter than five concurrent seconds.
jaywolly : BS, guess the results are in, you were a major loser
somersetcase1 : :-)) at brenton
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:22:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :very funny somer.....he who shall laugh last will laugh longest....anyway ...i dunno...no..i believe i won...
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: it's good that you believe in your fantasies; the rest of us enjoy reality, though.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:23:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :the room had already been instructed by me to ignore his subsequent postings....after i had posted my last reply...
brenton_spears :so they are all invalid..
somersetcase1 : brenton God punishes sin regardless of tmptation..Your assertion that you are innocent of sin if someone tempts you is wrong...I showed you scripturaly, conceptualy, and through plain common sense. I worded it so a 5 year old could understand it. All you said was..Nah uh!! I win!...LOL
brenton_spears :also i hereby pronounce you someret ..publicly to be unfit to expound scripture...
hunter_the_crazychick : Okay, if that's how brenton wants to play: I hereby instruct the room to regard brenton as the lying child he is.
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: I just invalidated you.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:24:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :i hereby divest you of your right to handle the scriptures
brenton_spears :you are no longer permitted to teach the room your false doctrine
atheistic_palindrome : Apparently Brenton has the power to tell people that their interpretations of scripture are WRONG.
somersetcase1 : brenton You are a laugh a minute, but I'm done out debating and taunting you..Go away little boy.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:25:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : brenton_spears has the power to look like a complete idiot in a chatroom.
brenton_spears :i have issued a public condemnation of somerset's heresy.....room..he is unqualified to expound the scriptures...and futhermore his terribly recalcitrant
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: and, oddly enough, no one cares what you're issued.
gremlin_net : you've*
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:26:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :i have alread warned admonished him to back down..to accept his defeat.with the kind and degree of resignation which it would be becoming of him to exhibit if it were his intention to be gracious in defeat
somersetcase1 : I hereby issue a public request to either A,. ignorew brenton for being an uneductaed twit or B. laugh at him mercilessly for the same reason
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: except that he wasn't defeated.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:27:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : Somer: B. B allows me to archive him for future mockery.
brenton_spears :and yet he has continued to protest against my judgement...from which there is no appeal....
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: ah ah, you're not allowed to judge.
brenton_spears :damien....i just defeated somerset in a terrific debate
brenton_spears :a cliffhanger finale..
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: while you're instructing people to do silly things, why don't you instruct them to refrain from posting your bullshit to http://board.grem.tv so I get more content on my site?
brenton_spears :he has lost very badly...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:28:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton I'm sure you did, and I'm sure it will be posted in it's entirety on gremlin.net.
brenton_spears :if only u were hear...
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: he'll get to see it; as soon as you leave, I'm going to post it.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:29:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :look it need not be posted there..ok......ok ..it need not..anyway strike off his last comments..and my condemnation of them...for the purposes of posting it there..edit the transcript so that his last comments ANd my replies to them are omitted......that wont be necessary
brenton_spears :ideally though it should not be posted there
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: no.
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: you have no say over what I do.
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, how about...no.
brenton_spears :i dont approve of gremlin's site...
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: and Gremlin doesn't approve of your idiocy.
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, we do.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:30:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :look it was fear factor time and i just creamed somerset.....why cant u all accept that..none of this needs to beposted anywhere
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: don't worry too much about it. Since I can't officially condone the posting of your bullshit to the board, I'll go ahead and delete any such posts as soon as time allows. Which, given my current workload and priorities, could be as early as 2015 or so....
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: you lost; that's why.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:31:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Funny brenton, for one who's so sure of his victory, you're awfully scared to have us show a replay of it.
brenton_spears :gremlin..i never thought i would say this to you...would have a reason for saying it..but thanks
brenton_spears :that is heartening...
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: uh...sure....
hunter_the_crazychick : laughs.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:32:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : will be posting THAT too.
gremlin_net : Of course, I can't control the content of http://coffeechick.com/idiots
hunter_the_crazychick : Gremlin: no. You can't.
hunter_the_crazychick : gets all evil.
indondasani :
damien_the_blasphemous : 2015, hmm, that's enough time to post a couple terabytes' worth of conversation with brenton up there.
hunter_the_crazychick : Damien: and enough time for me to get motivated enough to give him an entire section in my idiot archive.
brenton_spears :indon..i just destroyed somerset..it was one of my finest hours...really u should have seen it
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:33:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, don't worry, he will see it, as soon as it's posted on gremlin.net.
brenton_spears :i honestly believe that a man cannot allow himself to become aroused culpably....rather should not do so....but i do envisage situations wherein it would be impossible for us, as fallen men, not to given to feeling within ourselves the faintest stirrings of concupiscence as on account of the fact that through no fault of our own...some object should have served to impinge itself upon our field of vision..an object that in the nature of the case is so constituted as to be liable to provoke lustful feelings in ourselves...somer..u have failed to draw a distinction between a person's becoming aroused in such a manner as should serve to involve him in sin..and his doing so in such a manner as should not, however, serve to involve him in sin..in other words the relevant question is: are there instances wherein a man may feel himself inclined to lust and yet be found by god to be innoncent for feeling himself so to be?
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:34:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :for instance take...the phenomenon of nocturnal emissions...those who are the subjects of this phenomenon....do not incur upon themselves any guilt for this fact...aquinas teaches that if one were to be the subject of such an emission...it would not follow that he had sinned per se..but only the rather that he had been constituted in such a fashion as to be given to doing so.....
damien_the_blasphemous : What's that smell? *sniff sniff*, ah yes, the smell of cutting and pasting completely unnecessary posts.
brenton_spears :yes it would be their fault for leaving it on the table if they knew that i might, on seeing it, have been tempted to take it but not otherwise...and if i didnt ultimately take it notwithstanding that i should on seeing it have felt myself inclined to be doing so...then i will not have served to have sinned thereby but only the rather to have given evidence of my inclination to sin......THIS IS PROOF I AM SPEAKING IN MY OWN PERSON MORON JAY....see how it directly addresses itself to his analogy about the 100 dollar billl
brenton_spears :sorry wont do it again
brenton_spears :just wanted to show indon that i beat somerset
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:35:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : Somerset then quoted brenton's own bible, in context, and defeated brenton.
brenton_spears :no indon...i dont want any of this to appear on gremlin.net
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, guess what, too bad.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:36:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :and i do hereby record my gratitude publicly to gremlin for assuring me that he would remove such transcripts as have been appended to his forum, and which are associated with me, in due course
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:37:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, you do realize that 'due course' will be about twelve years.
hunter_the_crazychick : Brenton: and what're you going to do about my site, then?
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:38:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :actually i have never vistited hunter's site...
brenton_spears :gremlin;s yes..but not hunter's
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:39:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :i hope well i dont feature prominently on anyone's site...contrary to what indon has said..no i dont like any sort of publicity
brenton_spears :anyway now that the debate phase of my visit here is over
brenton_spears :just to recap the score is
brenton_spears :i won and somer lost
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:40:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Sure you don't brenton, you know it would be a whole lot easier if you just came out and admitted that you thrive on attention.
brenton_spears :maybe i can share a testimony..
brenton_spears :damien..u are a nice guy..really u have a sympathetic disposition
brenton_spears :why not join us
brenton_spears :huh??
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:41:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :do u know who shares your name???
brenton_spears :have u heard of damien of molokai
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, because I feel that my abilities are better put to use undoing the mental indoctrination your ilk are so fond of perpetrating on our youth.
brenton_spears :i read in the reader's digest an article about this priest...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:42:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :damien i disagree.
damien_the_blasphemous : I suspected you would brenton.
canon13579 :
brenton_spears :the church can harness well a man of your abilities//why not labour alongside me for the sake of god's glory
brenton_spears :join us...come home...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:43:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :why struggle
brenton_spears :resistance is futile...
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, even if there was a god or gods, and even if they were truly worthy of having my allegience with them, I would never join an institution as thouroughly corrupted as your church.
indondasani : Brenton; you do a great Vader/Borg impression.
brenton_spears :not even if the likes of me were in it???
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:44:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, would you like an honest answer to that one?
indondasani : "Resistance is futile. Join the Christian side. Feel your faith take control... that faith is power!"
brenton_spears :i am in that church u so thoroughly repudiate?...does this fact not incline you to repudiate it any the less thorughly than should previously have been your wont...
damien_the_blasphemous : By the way brenton, any luck in getting your fabled 'gang' to show up yet?
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:45:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :damien..i don't pose..i checked..my gang declines respectfully the offer for the time being....but my ex girlfriend might show up...
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, if you are truly genuine, and not a troll or faker, then you are excellent evidence of the grave harm the church can do to the human mind.
brenton_spears :am in talks with her presently to show up to meet u...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:46:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, then until you provide actual evidence that this 'gang' of yours exists, any appeal to whatever authority they might have will fall upon deaf ears.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:47:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :i would of course rather that my crew met u than she should.....but i cent get anyone willing to come on-line to meet u...my crew would be willing...but they're not so ..shall we say...'familiar' with chatting...they are frightened they might say something which would harm my cause..our cause christ's cause
gremlin_net : brenton_spears is still going on about his fictional 'crew'?
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, they can't say anything that would harm your cause any worse than what you've already done, I guarentee that.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:48:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Gremlin, apparently they're either very shy, or nonexistent.
brenton_spears :i dont have any such fear as regards my ex because 1) she is my ex 2) she is not a part of my team..whatever she says she is herself responsible for..i may not necessarily endorse her opinions theological or otherwise
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:49:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, I don't care what you approve of, I could give a rat's ass about what your ex or your 'gang' stand for, I couldn't give two shits about what their capabilities are, either bring them in here, or quit trying to appeal to them in your psuedo-debates.
brenton_spears :anyway a few more facts about myself so that u know im for real
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:50:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :i said before that i could be compared to the best that hollywood has to offer in the way of handsome men..correct??
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, if you did say that, it can be verified on gremlin.net.
brenton_spears :i mean i have said that i could fare well in the comparison with the likes of tom cruise brad pitt......and so forth correct?
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:51:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :i said that i am a chick-magnet correct or used to be correct??/anyway guess what
brenton_spears :since becoming a christian i have remained single....plus i even did something to lessen the appeal that i am wont to make to the weaker sex
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:52:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :do u know what
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, you know, putting an actual photo on your prof would be a whole lot more convincing.
brenton_spears :this pains it really does.,..
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: did you set yourself on fire?
hotvegasman : brenton you use to be a chick magnet cause now you hit on the preachers
brenton_spears :no hunter...i shaved my head...
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, trust me, your being single has absolutely nothing to do with your christianity.
brenton_spears :not like lex luthor on smallville
brenton_spears :but like a marine
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:53:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :i did this to demonstrate my contempt for worldly vanity
hotvegasman : thats a crew cut moron not shaved
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: you call that contempt for vanity?
brenton_spears :yeah it is...
hunter_the_crazychick : Granted, you'd probably look queer with or without hair....
gremlin_net : brenton_spears is opposed to vanity? Or just justified vanity?
damien_the_blasphemous : Well Brenton, I'm sure Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt are certainly happy that you've removed yourself from the competition.
brenton_spears :plus because of my belligerent personality i dont really endear myself to the chicks as much as i used to do...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:54:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :girls who see me for the first time ttend to be interested...
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: post a picture.
brenton_spears :butr after their friends rat on me to them.,..well u get the picture
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, quit yapping and post a picture.
brenton_spears :so i just have my mom..my pastor my 'crew'...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:55:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: post a picture. Back up your 'i look good' claims.
brenton_spears :one more important thing about me..even more than what i just said....
damien_the_blasphemous : Brenton, until you have a picture to back up your claims, they're empty.
brenton_spears :some of u guys think im a fake...that i dont sincerely profess what i do..that i am not as close to my mom as i have said i am....and that i did not learn about the fath from my mom..
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:56:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : ohboy, this has been going on for quite a while.
brenton_spears :here's something that will prove it to you that i am for real..
brenton_spears :u know...when my mom was pregnant with me....(by the way my parents married late....so that my mom was pregant with me when she was 38)..
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:57:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :well there were difficulties associated with that pregnancy
brenton_spears :severe ones..
damien_the_blasphemous : patiently waits through Brenton's life story to see if he actually has a point.
brenton_spears :in the end i had to be c-sectioned out of her....
damien_the_blasphemous : Aw, so sad Brenton, oh well.
damien_the_blasphemous : Deal with it.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:58:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: too bad you didn't die.
brenton_spears :now en route to delivering me.....a doctor told her (a relative , as it turned out)...that she might consider aborting me..because there was a chance that her life might be in danger
brenton_spears :she didnt listen to that doctor.,..
damien_the_blasphemous : I'm sure she's regretting her decision now Brenton.
brenton_spears :because she was a christian....
indondasani : was c-sectioned, himself, because he wouldn't come out of the womb.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:59:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : has a sister that was c-sectioned.
hunter_the_crazychick : was born normal. Ha ha. Neener.
brenton_spears :she told him that she would rather die delivering me..than live after killing me....and that as a christian someone who was loyal to christ..she could never murder
brenton_spears :this is the secret of my devotion to christ
damien_the_blasphemous : Sure it is Brenton.
brenton_spears :i literally am alove today because of jesus
hotvegasman : S.B. isnt there one problem with that HE MARRIED TO YOUR SISTER
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:00:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :this story has haunted me all my life...
damien_the_blasphemous : No brenton, you're alive because of your mother and the doctors, give credit where credit is due.
hunter_the_crazychick : Brenton: you're lying, by the way. The abortion would've ben suggested far before the 'delivery'.
indondasani : hunter; ah, a good point.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:01:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
indondasani : as since that far into the pregnancy, abortion and delivery are the same.
indondasani : only _before_ the child is old enough to survive out of the womb could it be abortion.
brenton_spears :it was suggested well before the delivery..but on the grounds that carrying me to term might jeopardise her life.....she then told the doctor that she would rather die than kill me...than live with the thought that she had killed me to save herself
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: you said 'on the way to deliver me'.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:02:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: so she would rather die and kill you, then live and kill you. Sounds pretty selfish.
brenton_spears :i said '
damien_the_blasphemous : Hunter, just wait, he's coming up with a poetic justification for that statement.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:03:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :i said 'en route' to delivering me....i conceive of even 7 months before delivery is due as being en route to delivery
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: en route = on the way = on the road....
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: learn the meaning of the words you use.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:04:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : Hunter: if brenton_spears knew the meaning of the words he misused, he'd get boring.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:05:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :i see the term of pregnancy as coincident with the act of delivery so that any stage of the process of pregnacy notwithstanding however far removed in time it might be from when the delivery is due...would for me be susceptible of characterisation as being 'en route' to the said term of delivery
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:06:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: and we all know that what you see is the only possible reality....
brenton_spears :i am just explaining hunter...how i used that term to mean what i meant by it......
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:07:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : I can't believe brenton_spears lost the Idiot of the Month contest....
zenpunk : brenton is too stupid to know when to be ashamed of his own idiocy
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:08:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :besides the journey of a thousand miles begins with a step as confucius has said...so that even the first step of such a journey once one takes it...wouldd enable one to be regarded as being 'en route' to his final destination a thousand miles away...
gremlin_net : Not only can brenton_spears not win a debate; he can't even win the Idiot of the Month. He came in second to AgingYoung.
indondasani : ...you can't beat the Onion. you just can't.
brenton_spears :grem thanks so much
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:09:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : Of course, brenton_spears currently owns March....
brenton_spears :hey come one...youre kidding right
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: nope; I'm serious.
brenton_spears :but corey wouldnt know about it necessarily would he/??
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: you'd have won February's Idiot of the Month, but AgingYoung slipped in front of you for citing the Onion as a reference for his bullshit.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:10:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : He's afraid of Corey finding out.
hunter_the_crazychick : laughs.
brenton_spears :and if he does..mention the name 'thomas aquinas' to him
atheistic_palindrome : Gremlin, what the hell?
atheistic_palindrome : Someone cited The Onion?
atheistic_palindrome : Hahahaha!
gremlin_net : atheistic_palindrome: yup. http://gremlin.net/main.html
hunter_the_crazychick : wonders what happened the last time someone mentioned Aquinas at him....
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:11:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :yeah what happened???.....he got scared right??
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: I'm betting not.
brenton_spears :anywah what is this onion...business....
brenton_spears :i feel left out
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:12:19 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :normally i would have a take on whatever is being discussed
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: see http://gremlin.net/main.htm
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: see http://gremlin.net/main.html
brenton_spears :but i am cluless about this onion business
brenton_spears :anyway grem..i hope i wont win march either...ok...dont even nominate me..ok...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:13:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :nominate others..like jaywolly..what a dumb name
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: too late. You've already been nominated.
gremlin_net : I figured out how brenton_spears reminds me of. The fanboy geek on Buffy.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:14:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : Gremlin: yes, Andrew.
gremlin_net : Hunter: yeah. Him.
brenton_spears :more like...david boreanz...but that guy is ugly....
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:15:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : Brenton's trying to compare himself to Angel? He's gayer than I thought....
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:16:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:17:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : brenton_spears is a cross between Andrew from Buffy and Frank Burns from M*A*S*H.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:18:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : Gremlin: he's trying to compare himself to Angel.
vlmma_1995 : ondo, i have trouble with words that end in -ance and -ence... get them mixed up all the time
gremlin_net : Hunter: that's almost as bad.
hunter_the_crazychick : I know.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:19:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
h67_190071 : Hunter plays Literati by looking in the dictionary for words
hunter_the_crazychick : h67_190071: I don't play literati.
h67_190071 : Hunter has no Moral Sense
brenton_spears :sorry was checking out a certain web-site
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:20:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :yeah well i can be compared to angel...my eyes arent as closely set as david's....but in other respects we are rather alike...
hunter_the_crazychick : brenton: you're a whiney, broody little queer?
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: it's not a matter of aesthetics; it's about personality. You're a weenie.
brenton_spears :anyway...here's alist of names to frighten corey and gremlin with
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:21:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :1) thomas aquinas
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: Corey's not here.
hunter_the_crazychick : Brenton: Gremlin's not afraid of your list of names.
gremlin_net : I've read Aquinas; I wasn't impressed.
brenton_spears :2) pope john paul the 2nd ( i know he isnt here but u can recite to him these names later, and see what effect that has - trust me i know what im doing)
gremlin_net : The pope? Heh.
brenton_spears :3) pat robertson
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:22:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : Pat Robertson is a known moron.
brenton_spears :4) michael behe ( one of the foremost proponents of intelligent design)....
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:23:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : Behe is a known fraud.
brenton_spears :5) alvin platinga (one of the foremost christian philosophers in the world today, defended the thesis that theistic beliefs are properly basic)
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:24:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: never heard of him.
brenton_spears :6) billy graham
gremlin_net : Billy Graham? He's still alive? Ha.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:25:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:26:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :because gremlin...these guys are outstanding in their respective fields...and they call your bluff about atheism being the default position
brenton_spears :it's true ..pat isnt a catholic..but he is a signatory of ect...
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: no they can't. The overwhelming majority of animals on Earth are atheistic. That's conclusive. Only a few billion homosapiens show any theistic tendencies.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:27:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :ok ok.,..just tell corey...thomas aquinas...that should do it...
brenton_spears :no no im protestant
brenton_spears :baptist
brenton_spears :but i do admire certain catholic thinkers
gremlin_net : brenton_spears: Corey agrees with me on Aquinas. The guy wasn't of much use at all.
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:28:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :u mean he's not like scared of him or anything???
brenton_spears :and u mean u arent either???
hunter_the_crazychick : Brenton: surprise.
brenton_spears :but all the books say he is one of the greatest christian thinkers of all time...
LOG DATA Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:29:20 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brenton_spears :
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