Posted by Damien [24.159.250.195 - 24-159-250-195.jvl.wi.charter.com] on 11 April 2003 at 05.45.50 ZuluTime:

I found one! I found one! An honest to gawd FUNDY!!! Not a regular asshole, not a troll, but a true, genuine, christian fundy!...

michelobiusmaximus: kjv, there are no writings of Christ during his life. They were all written afterwards
     kjv_bible1611: people use Jesus Christ as a swear word-not anyone else who has lived
     Damiens anti-religion: kjv, the bible is nothing more than a collection of hebrew tribal myths, they prove Jesus' existance about as well as the Iliad proves the existence of Oddyseus.
     atheist_ina_foxhole: kjv, and how many books of the bible were excluded
     michelobiusmaximus: We have actual writings from George Washington
     kjv_bible1611: prove that they are myths
     zsa_zsa_galore2002: I doubt Muslims use Jesus Christ as a swear word.
     michelobiusmaximus: kjv, I don't have to prove it
     kjv_bible1611: is all the stuff on washington myth????
     michelobiusmaximus: The positive claim is that Jesus did exist, and it has never been proven
     kjv_bible1611: yes you do
     michelobiusmaximus: I don't have to prove Jesus didn't exist
     michelobiusmaximus: There is none that he does exist
     michelobiusmaximus: that's my point
     Damiens anti-religion: kjv, the difference is we have valid evidence that washington existed, we do not have any evidence for jesus' existence.
     michelobiusmaximus: He could have existed
     atheist_ina_foxhole: regardless if jesus lived or not it doesnt prove he was the son of god or performed any miracles
     michelobiusmaximus: There just isn't good enough evidence for you to know that Jesus Christ existed for a fact.
     kjv_bible1611: lots of historical evidence-why do you deny His exsistence?
     Damiens anti-religion: kjv, what historical evidence?
     Animus: excluding the buybull, which is not a history book... where is the evidence for jesus?
     Damiens anti-religion: All you have is the bible, which has been shown to be unreliable, and a couple forged entries in the books of Joesphus and others.
     kjv_bible1611: 66 books
     michelobiusmaximus: one book called the Bible
     michelobiusmaximus: that is all there is
     michelobiusmaximus: 1000's of evidences for George
     michelobiusmaximus: gravesite
     michelobiusmaximus: teeth
     michelobiusmaximus: LOL
     Swyndle: Show me a Christ's signature on the bill at a restaraunt.
     michelobiusmaximus: his one handwriting
     atheist_ina_foxhole: lol@buybull
     kjv_bible1611: his teeth were made of wood
     Damiens anti-religion: kjv, for the fourth time, the bible is not a reliable history book.
     kjv_bible1611: dam-why not?
     kjv_bible1611: lots of other books written about Him
     zsa_zsa_galore2002: Not by any eye witnessess.
     michelobiusmaximus: kjv, by Christians that believe in him from the Bible, I mean BuyBull
     kjv_bible1611: dam-you dont want to believe-why do you deny His exsistence?
     michelobiusmaximus: LOL
     Damiens anti-religion: kjv, because, A) It's self-contradictory, B) It has many mistakes in it, C) It makes many claims of the supernatural with no evidence to back it up.
     Animus: bible.. pronounced "buy bull".. I can't just call that a coincidence...
     Swyndle: The bible states very clearly that the world is flat, cornered, and supported by pillars, it also states that bats are a kind of bird.
     atheist_ina_foxhole: he is right the bible has stories that run parallels to historic events but there are many things in it that are far exaggeratted
     michelobiusmaximus: writings afterwards mean nothing
     michelobiusmaximus: total speculation
     Swyndle: Since these are known fallacies, the entire book is suspect and rendered useless.
     michelobiusmaximus: Jesus could have been made up, and that is a possibility
     Swyndle: Spider-Man is set in a real city, he mourned the World Trade Center so Spider-Man must be real.
     michelobiusmaximus: because of the fact there are no writings of Christ during his own time, no gravesite, no consistent pictures or statues, etc.
     atheist_ina_foxhole: well the way the bible mentions the ceasars and rulers of territories is proof that someoine based it in actual times, but still the point is none of this can be proven as a divine tale
     atheist_ina_foxhole: or that the gos of the bible is the god of existence
     kjv_bible1611: what other man has lived that you think was made up?
     kjv_bible1611: why only Christ?
     michelobiusmaximus: kjv, he may have existed
     Damiens anti-religion: kjv, judging by your profile, I'd say you're not a troll, but in your profile you say you like to debate, yet the incredibly poor job you've done of it seems to indicate otherwise.
     Swyndle: Spider-Man was shown on the Statue of Liberty, which is real, so again Spidey must be a real guy.
     Damiens anti-religion: kjv, why do you think it's only christ?
     Swyndle: Is KJV understanding his own idiocy yet?
     kjv_bible1611: Jesus warned people would deny Him-you people are helping to fufill bible peophecy
     michelobiusmaximus: because of the lack of consistent evidence
     Damiens anti-religion: If someone in here claims that Herekles was the son of Zues and really did exist, I'll readily debunk them too.
     michelobiusmaximus: kjv, now you are preaching
     kjv_bible1611: Dam-you do a poor job yourself
     Animus: kjv is so moronic that his own moronic-ness is beyond him
     Damiens anti-religion: kjv, it's called a self-fufilling prophecy.
     michelobiusmaximus: that just means you were starting to understand what I was saying, and were hating every moment of it
     Damiens anti-religion: Basically you prophecy something that's very likely to occur.
     kjv_bible1611: mich-woooooooooooooooooopty do!!!
     michelobiusmaximus: so you have to preach instead
     michelobiusmaximus: that's sad
     kjv_bible1611: mich-you are preaching anti-Christian things
     Damiens anti-religion: kjv, please, how can I do a poor job at debating when you have yet to bring forth a valid point?
     michelobiusmaximus: kjv, you just preached religion to me
     atheist_ina_foxhole: i thinkthe atheists have recovered 80 percent of this room again
     michelobiusmaximus: totally irrelevent to the debate about whether or not Jesus existed
     michelobiusmaximus: So you have to preach since you are losing
     Swyndle: KJV, you want to debate someone?
     Swyndle: Bring it on.
     kjv_bible1611: most Christians don't want to waste their time with you athiest-that's why
     Swyndle: Back to our earlier conversation, got any evidence for the deity you assert?
     michelobiusmaximus: ha ha ha
     Damiens anti-religion: So far I've seen you avoid questions, dodge around sticky issues, claim that the problem of evidence is on me, even though your the one making the positive claim, and try to transpose your deficiencies onto me, I believe my assertion that you're a poor debator is rather well grounded.
     michelobiusmaximus: PREACH
     Damiens anti-religion: kjv, most christians are content to leave us as we are.
     kjv_bible1611: I know-I care enough to come and tell you the truth
     atheist_ina_foxhole: you accuse and assume thing of atheists, wait a sec, you are like most christians
     Damiens anti-religion: They're pretty cool people in fact.
     zsa_zsa_galore2002: Don't make me gag, kjv.
     michelobiusmaximus: kjv, you don't think we've heard your Bible, I mean BuyBull
     kjv_bible1611: most Christians are lazy i know
     Swyndle: KJV, I don't deal in truths, truths are subjective. I deal in facts, have you got any of those?
     Damiens anti-religion: No kjv, you want to come in here and attempt to convert us to your gawd so that you'll get extra bonus points in heaven.
     Damiens anti-religion: kjv, wow, not only do you attempt to denigrate people who aren't your faith, but you also slander people who share your faith, how very christlike of you.
     Swyndle: Did KJV just attempt to cast the first stone?
     Swyndle: HA!
     bible1611: no-I'm only being honest with what i have seen
     Damiens anti-religion: Swyndle, he's been casting rubber bricks for quite a while now.
     Swyndle: kjv, still no evidence eh?
     michelobiusmaximus: kjv, if the Bible is evidence for Jesus Christ, then TV is evidence for Popeye
     Damiens anti-religion: Swyndle, nope, but he's becoming better at changing the conversation when tough questions are posed to him, he'll become a fully-fledged fundy yet.
     kjv_bible1611: mich-you are twisted-why do you deny Christ's exsistence?
     Swyndle: KJV, last chance before you fail a second time in the same hour.
     Damiens anti-religion: kjv, because, once again, there is no evidence for his existence.
     Swyndle: Got any evidence of the deity you assert?
     Damiens anti-religion: kjv, ready to start the circle again?
     zsa_zsa_galore2002: Is everyone who doesn't believe Jesus existed twisted?
     kjv_bible1611: Dam-yes there is-the same evidence as for washington etc...what other person in history do you deny?
     Damiens anti-religion: zsa, in kjv's world, yes.
     Damiens anti-religion: kjv, once again, no there isn't.
     Swyndle: KJV, there is real tangible proof for washington.
     Swyndle: A corpse for instance.
     Swyndle: Habeus corpus, KJV.
     Damiens anti-religion: You have yet to present any evidence for jesus that matches the evidence for washington.
     zsa_zsa_galore2002 finds kjv's intolerance and name calling nauseating. Right up there with Ken the liar.
     Damiens anti-religion: All you've done is try to change the subject whenever that fact is brought up.
     Swyndle: KJV, I'm going to be nice and at least give you the same chance every other theistic nutwad gets against me.
     Swyndle: KJV, you have asserted that a deity exists. What's your best testable, verifiable evidence to support your assertion?
     kjv_bible1611 left the room.
     Damiens anti-religion (damien_the_blasphemous) left the room.