You mean before any revelations were made to the infant populace, that there were deity wether name you wish to call them it him or her wether or not you choose to believe isnt up to me.And no there has not allways been suffering in during the first epoch on earth what came to be known as humanity before their eyes were opened not literaly of course.Before the sex function was abused and they became aware of the physical reality originaly they were primarily spiritual beings.At this time there was no suffering death of the physical body was much like changing clothes. So how could there be suffering anyway Ive got to get going you do the math.One more thing stay on the path midnight mogwhy I have faith in ya.

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