Posted by Gremlin [12.211.200.127 - 12-211-200-127.client.attbi.com] on 30 May 2003 at 18.49.34 ZuluTime:

In Reply to: Does God Exist? posted by Apollojedi on 30 May 2003 at 18.04.09 ZuluTime:

I was invited here to discuss evidence for God.

Let's stop here for a minute. You weren't 'invited'; you were told that, after being exposed as a fraud in the chatroom, any further fraud would have to be posted here, where more people could laugh at it.

Can I prove God (of Christian Theism) 100%? No.

Good. Then that's settled.

But I can show that it is more reasonable that He exists than that He doesn't, i.e. that the evidence for theism is superior to atheism.

The 'evidence for atheism' is that some of us are without theism. Atheism isn't backed by evidence; it's the default when there is no evidence.

Let me outline some basic evidences.

Okay....

1). God best explains the beginning of the universe. Current cosmology demonstrates that the universe had a beginning.

There's no evidence that the universe ever 'began'. We know that matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed.
     This isn't evidence of deities.

2). God best explains the fine tuning of the universe for life.

What 'fine-tuning'? I've never heard of this. No evidence of fine-tuning the universe appears to have been published; let us know if you know something more about it.
     Not evidence of deities.

3). God best explains the existence of objective moral values.

Morality is subjective. There's no global, objective morality.
     Not evidence of deities.

4). God best explains the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.

There's no evidence of the life, death, or resurrection of Mithras.
     Not evid--
     Sorry: of 'Jesus'.
     Not evidence of deities.

5). God best explains the transcendental aspects of life and man's "religious" nature.

Temporal lobe epilepsy best explains religious nature. It's a soft schizophrenia. The inability to process information correctly leads to the assumption that a supernatural force is causing things to happen. Run a search on Persinger's studies of TLE.
     Incidentally, TLE--and therefore theism--can be cured by shock treatment. Cleansing by fire also works.
     Not evidence of deities.

Now, perhaps you can return the favor. Let's hear your evidence that atheism is true or superior where I post. There are thoughtful atheists and agnostics there who will evaluate the dialogue.

We've tried that. You ban atheists and delete their posts for such bullshit reasons as using the millennia-old christian abbreviation of christian to xian. Your board is biased. Mine isn't. Send your idiot breathren here if you think they're more qualified at this than you are.

My perusal of this board is that it contains atheists who are simply antagonistic to Christians and not thoughtful atheists who wish to explore the issues. So unless you come to www.carm.org and look for Kevin H (on either the Apologetics or Atheist Boards) I bid you adieu.

See above. And bear in mind that everyone is agnostic: no one knows whether deities exist; some people just don't pretend that they do.
     If you have anything more than adverts for a tyrannical board and the evidence I just repudiated, be sure to let us know. Otherwise: you lose.
     PS: otherwise also, you owe me ten thousand bucks. See the disclaimer for more information.