animosity_26: How are you?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Fine, thanks.
     animosity_26: Your welcome.
     animosity_26: Anything new?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Not really.
     animosity_26: Don't worry, the wind always bring change.
     animosity_26: The only problem is..are you going to adapt fast enough.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: I dunno.
     animosity_26: Well, there you go.
     animosity_26: You puzzle me.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Why is that?
     animosity_26: Well, you and your friends talk about nothing more than proving the bible wrong. Yet, everytime I have seen you your nic is in a religious room.
     animosity_26: Curious.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You assume an awful fucking lot.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You think I don't talk about anything other than that? Hardly.
     animosity_26: Maybe.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: In fact, I hadn't mentioned a damned thing about your silly Bible yet today, had I? No. You brought it up.
     animosity_26: All I said was that you puzzle me. You asked me why.
     animosity_26: But what makes the Bible silly?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Well, if that's what puzzles you about me, you've got no idea about me at all.
     animosity_26: that is true
     animosity_26: But I would like to know why you think the Bible is silly. If you can explain that statement that is.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: *sighs*
     animosity_26: I thought so.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You thought what?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: I can give you a bunch of reasons why the Bible is silly, but will you listen? No. You want them anyway, I can give them to you.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You are awfully annoying.
     animosity_26: Most people who make those type of statements about the Word of God do so out of ignorance. I say ignorance because they do not know enough about the Word to even legitamately say anything derogatory about it.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: *sighs*
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You don't know shit about me, dude.
     animosity_26: Other than "its wrong" or "silly" or blah blah blah
     zombie_wants_you_dead: I was raised strict Catholic for 14 years of my life. I think I know a bit about the Bible.
     animosity_26: Your statements have no substance.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: And yours do? Odd...
     animosity_26: Catholic religion is based on paganism if you trace it back. Last time I checked God was against paganism.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: LOL
     zombie_wants_you_dead: So, you're Protestant?
     animosity_26: No.
     animosity_26: I am not into organized religion. I simply read the word myself.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Ah.
     animosity_26: What are the views of Protestants?
     animosity_26: I mean, why did you ask me that?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: It's usually Protestants that say Catholicism goes against the Bible, or whatever.
     animosity_26: Oh. No I simply researched the beggining of all Catholic doctrines, rituals, rites, etc. My family was originally catholic when I was born.
     animosity_26: So I got curious about it. But after studying the catholics and their beleifs and comparing it to the bible..its pretty obvious its bogus.
     animosity_26: It was mixed with paganism rituals during the Roman empire.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Of course.
     animosity_26: Hardly something that is based on the word of God.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Uh huh.
     animosity_26: What do you mean by "uh huh"?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Just 'uh huh.'
     animosity_26: It isnt based on what God said. The bible never says to pray to saints, mother mary, or ask priests for forgiveness...priests cannot forgive your sins nor can making the sign of the cross, babbling and sprinkling "holy water" on you....only God, through Christ, can forgive your sins. The bible is quite clear about that.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You misunderstand the confessional.
     animosity_26: How so?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: It's not asking the priest for forgiveness.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: The priest just acts as a messenger of sorts.
     animosity_26: The messenger was Christ.....I think you misunderstand.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You can make an Act of Contrition directly to god.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: The confessional has nothing to do with Christ.
     animosity_26: Exactly.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Who, by the way, was not the Davidic Messiah, in accordance with the Old Testament. So that point is null.
     animosity_26: Jesus fulfills all 300 messianic prophecies. He, by the way, is the only person who was ever born who has met all the prophecies.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: LOL...No, he doesn't.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Nor was he a perfect blood atonement sacrifice.
     animosity_26: Yes He does.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: But you say I don't know what *I* am talking about...
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Tell me where you get your Old Testament from, please?
     animosity_26: What do you mean?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Where does it come from? The Jews, yeah?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: If Jesus were the Davidic Messiah spoken of in the OT, don't you think the Jews would have accepted him?
     animosity_26: No. God has said they will not all accept.
     animosity_26: Most will accept during the tribulation. After all, the 144,000 people who will be preaching about Christ during the Tribulation will be Jews.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: lol...
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Say that to a Haisidic Jew and see what he tells you.
     animosity_26: Who cares what he tells me. God said in Revelation 7 that it will be so. I choose to take God's word over a man's.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: And the Bible wasn't written by men?
     animosity_26: Have you not read it at all?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Of course I have read it.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Several times.
     animosity_26: Then you should know the answer to that question.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: What does Is 11:9 say?
     animosity_26: They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Mhm. And the Davidic Messiah was supposed to bring about full knowledge of the Lord, is it not so?
     animosity_26: When He returns after the tribulation is complete, every knee shall bend to Him. So whether you beleive Christ is the Son or not you will bend your knee and speak it....then if you hadnt beleived until He returned and you seen for yourself you shall be cast into hell forever.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Ah, the ubiquitous threats of the fundamentalist Bible-lover...thank you.
     animosity_26: Meanwhile, the rest of us will forever be with our Father in infinite newness and knowledge and peace.
     animosity_26: Not a threat of mine. A promise of your Father.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Not my Father, kiddo. Think again.
     animosity_26: He is your Father as well. Beleiver or not. He is still the Father.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: I love the arrogance you people possess.
     animosity_26: It is not arrogance. It is the total trust and faith in what God has spoken and has decreed.
     animosity_26: Nothing more.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: And what makes you so certain that you have put your trust in something real?
     animosity_26: Because I did what the word said and proved Him so that He made Himself known to me.
     animosity_26: You can do the same. SO can everyone.
     animosity_26: Your choice.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Uh huh, and what will you tell me happens if I choose not to? You'll say I go to hell, won't you?
     animosity_26: I say nothing.
     animosity_26: God speaks for Himself.
     animosity_26: All I can say is I have proved Him many times.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Sorry, but I find the idea of a god that would demand love and adoration from 'his people' or threatens them with burning for eternity in a hell a bit out there.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: That's no kind of god I'd want.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You have him.
     animosity_26: Why? He can not be in the presence of sin. If you remain a sinner He MUST cast you away. It isnt His choice...its yours.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: I don't sin.
     animosity_26: Ok.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Sin doesn't exist outside of religion. You may sin, but I don't./
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Your god is nothing more than a manifestation of the superego...I have no need to manifest it.
     animosity_26: If you deny Christ is the true son of God then that itself is a sin.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Yet again, sin doesn't exist outside of religion. I don't sin if I have no religion.
     animosity_26: Well sweety, that manifestation has healed me and my family several times, paid for all of our bills and done many other things..so I guess I will keep the "manifestation" over the words of man.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: LOL...paid your bills?
     animosity_26: every month
     zombie_wants_you_dead: How? Manna from Heaven in the form of nickels and dimes?
     animosity_26: No faith
     animosity_26: Like I said...I have proved HIm
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You know, sweety, you can act as pure and righteous as you want, but I still recall you telling me you were thinking about getting a mistress on the side, while you're married. I also recall you hitting on me in not so subtle ways, implying that you'd like me to act as such...what would your precious Jesus say about that?
     animosity_26: Long story turned short...Wife and I needed a new car. Had NO money. Went to dealership picked a car. Laid our hands on it and called it ours in Jesus name. Salesman said we couldnt have without $2000 down. Continued to have faith in our words. Three minutes later a man we never met walked up and gave us $2000 cash in a envelope and said "God told me to give this to you". The guy walked away and we got the car. I will keep the manifestation thank you.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: LOL
     animosity_26: So prove Him yourself if you need the proof.
     animosity_26: You can laugh all you want but the car is sitting outside.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: I notice you don't comment on your keeness to commit adultery with me...
     animosity_26: One...didnt asked to commit adultery with you. Two...if you havent noticed even if we both wanted to we live too far. Three....prove what I just said is wrong then comment on the Bible being "funny".
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You can try to weasel out of it all you like, but your stories of miracles are just that...stories...
     animosity_26: Not to the dealership or me...they got the cash and i got the car.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You have no objective evidence, do you?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: To prove that that came from god? No. A guy doing a nice thing for someone else, maybe. Thinking that he was doing it because god told him to? Sure. But not a miracle
     zombie_wants_you_dead: A nice windfall for you, and I'm glad of it, but it's not objective or empirical evidence for anything. Try again.
     animosity_26: It happened right in front of the salesman....he smirked when we laid our hands on the car and called it ours...just as you are smirking now.....he stopped smiling when he saw the man hand us the money. As you will stop laughing when God is revealed to you.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Want to threaten me some more, adultery boy? Go ahead. Your superego doesn't scare me.
     animosity_26: Nice windfall? This is not an isolated incident...it happens constantly.
     animosity_26: I dont threaten anyone.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Sure it does. And what about all the other poor Christians that pray and pray and never get an envelope full of money?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Yes, you are threatening me. 'Believe or you will be left behind.' Is that not what you are saying?
     animosity_26: because they pray in fear and not faith. I did the same thing before I got a revelation a few years ago.
     animosity_26: I am not threatening. Just repeating what God has said in the Bible. To me it is a promise that make sme happy because I have no worries. If it makes you feel threatned...that should tell you something.....you know, like a big CLUE!
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Uh huh. Tell you what, babe, you go ahead and do your little God thing and think that all the good things you have in your life come from the cosmic sky daddy...and I will go on with my atheist thing and know that all the good things I have in my life come from what I have done for myself.
     zombie_wants_you_dead:
     zombie_wants_you_dead: And it's threatening. Do you think that if I came up to you on the street and said, 'Do this, or my dad will punish you,' it's not a threat?
     animosity_26: My wife and i both work....we CANNOT pay for what we have based on what we make. Plus we pay our tithes which means we have 10% less money to pay for what we cannot afford.....yet the money is always there. Even our families doubted and laughed...they dont any longer.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Of course it is. You could have me tossed in jail for terroristic threats. The same as you fundamentalist Bible-thumpers do to the rest of us heathen sinners, isn't it? 'Believe, or my Father will have you burn in hell.'
     animosity_26: I never said that.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You pay tithes? You told me earlier you don't believe in organized religion?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Who are you paying tithes to?
     animosity_26: That is our concern.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: LOL
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Sure it is. You're a liar now.
     animosity_26: Several charities and ministries.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Mhm. Benny Hinn, maybe?
     animosity_26: No.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You sound like a televangelist follower.
     animosity_26: No comment on what you sound like.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Aw. Clamming up now?
     animosity_26: Not at all.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Maybe you tithe to Creflo Dollar?
     animosity_26: As a matter of fact Creflo's ministries are one of the several ministries we have tithed too.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Damn, I'm good...
     animosity_26: I can name several.
     animosity_26: As well as orphanages in other parts of the world and several other charities.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Mhm. That's well and good.
     animosity_26: And ALWAYS pay our bills that we CANNOT pay on our whole salary much less what is left over after tithing. You figure it out.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: And I always pay my bills, and can't afford it on my salary, either. I have a way of making things work for myself.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Has nothing to do with god.
     animosity_26: We have done it for over two years now and my mother and her family are still confused. Because they deny God and the FAITH that makes it work...they will never figure it out.
     animosity_26: They are like you.
     animosity_26: Lost.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: I doubt it.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: I am not lost. I am perfectly secure.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You presumptuous fuck.
     animosity_26: I mean lost as to an explanation.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: *shakes head* You are an arrogant one, you know that? I wonder what your Jesus would say if he knew.
     animosity_26: Everything I say comes from the Bible. He does know, apparently your not listening, if He didnt it wouldnt work.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Maybe he would say, 'Cast not your pearls before swine'?
     animosity_26: Yeah, and I can take "A tale of two cities" out of context and make something else out of it too....so what is your point?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: LOL...mhm. Yet another ubiquitous fundamentalist Bible-lover line...got any more for me?
     animosity_26: Several.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Hit me with them.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: I've got time...
     animosity_26: If you do not beleive then no amount of so "intelligence" and "scientific theories" if going to make you beleive. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. Not scientist's theories, phone psychics, astrologers, cults, 'crystal ball' and tarot card readers.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Why would I believe in something that science dictates is improbable?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Silly.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: If science can somehow show me in the future that God did all this, then okay.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Right now, there's nothing to show for it.
     animosity_26: And that is why I said you are lost.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: And yet again, you are being a presumptuos fuck. What gives you the monopoly on knowledge?
     animosity_26: You can prove it yourself as I did. Or you can sit there and "wait" for God to appear.
     animosity_26: God does. Same for you if you want it.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Wait for your superego to manifest itself to me? Nah.
     animosity_26: What should one call another who denies the truth AND refuses to know the truth?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You are quick to dismiss science, though. Tell me what you have studied of cosmology, and abiogenesis and evolution that you can say science is so wrong...
     animosity_26: The Word of God.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: And what says you have the monopoly on truth?
     animosity_26: All who trust in the Word gain Wisdom. There is no other way to get wisdom.
     animosity_26: thought you already read this "several" times?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You'll have to wait a moment. My daughter has hurt herself.
     animosity_26: ok
     animosity_26: It would be easier to have a conversation of this type if you had a bible in front of you. I cannot make all my points due to too much to write. Be easier if I could just tell you where to look and you read it without me having to type it all.
     animosity_26:
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Who says I don't have a Bible in front of me?
     animosity_26: Oh before I forget..either you or your friend the other day asked me where the bible speaks of the rapture..if it wasnt you tell her its in 1Thessalonians 4:16-18. And then the tribulation follows where the anti-christ reigns 1Thessalonians 5:1-11.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: I'll tell her.
     animosity_26: Thank you.
     animosity_26: Also 2Thessalonians 2:3...the "falling away" is how the describe the rapture.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Uh huh.
     animosity_26: 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 - And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should beleive the lie (of the anti-christ) that they all may be condemned who DID NOT BELEIVE THE TRUTH but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
     animosity_26: So much to lose your way.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: *shakes head*
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Are you done yet?
     animosity_26: It scares me to remember that I use to think that way.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Good for you, I suppose.
     animosity_26: I didnt beleive in anything but what happened around me. I honestly hated church and still do not like organized religion. Most people only go to talk about things other than God. Their new car, shoes, clothes, house, etc..all about material crap instead of God. So my thinking is why go to church, I can hear all that crap anywhere.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Uh huh.
     animosity_26: I still dont go to church.
     animosity_26: I hate church.
     animosity_26: Espeacially all the "southern baptist" creeps in this state. They think dancing with a snake is getting them to heaven but I think its just going to get them to the hospital.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: What gives you supreme knowledge over them?
     animosity_26: What does that mean?
     animosity_26: All the bragging about clothes and money, dancing with rattlesnakes, refusing to take you child to the hospital because you are waiting for God to heal him is not based on faith.
     animosity_26: I would rather not be around it. Is that what you mean?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: I mean, what makes you think you know better than someone else?
     animosity_26: I dont think that.
     animosity_26: I know that I know. That is all.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: lol
     animosity_26: they may know, the next church over may know...etc. I just know that I know as well.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: But I don't know?
     animosity_26: No one can think they are "better" or "know more"...the Word of God is for EVERYONE...not just the rich or poor, educated or uneducated, etc.
     animosity_26: I dont know if you know or not.
     animosity_26: So far you have said very little that is from the bible if that is what you mean.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: I just want to know what makes you think your truth is any better than mine.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Is it your arrogance? Does your Bible teach you that?
     animosity_26: Why do you keep call it "my" truth?
     animosity_26: It is God's words.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Because your truth isn't my truth. Nor is it the Muslim truth. Or the Jewish truth.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Or any other million religions we have floating around.
     animosity_26: It is nonetheless the truth.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: So then my truth is nonetheless the truth.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Now, should I rail against you and insist you become atheist or suffer?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Shall I call you lost as you have called me?
     animosity_26: Then stick with it until the end.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: After all, I now hold the monopoly on truth, just like you do.
     animosity_26: I am not looking for monopolies.
     animosity_26: And if I "hold" onto the Truth it does me no good.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You don't know what you're looking for. You want to assert your god all over me and you don't know why.
     animosity_26: I am asserting nothing for the simple fact that no one CAN make you beleive. You have to make the choice. If you could be "made" to beleive by assertion then dont you think GOD would have made everyone beleive Him a very long time ago? It's your choice and responsibility to beleive...not God's or anyone elses.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: If you don't want to try to make me believe, why are you still talking about it?
     animosity_26: So stop with the accusations that I am "asserting" anything on you.....after all, I know that would be futile..why dont you?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Of course I know it's futile. You're the one that keeps talking about it all. I've laughed at you continuously from the start.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Do you want to keep talking about it so I can keep laughing...?
     animosity_26: Because they God has told all beleivers to spread the word....it was a COMMAND from Him to do so..not a polite suggestion.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: I'll feed your martyr complex.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Your god is not a nice god. I think I'll stay godless.
     animosity_26: I dont have to be a martyr unlike the muslims. My God died for me....he doesnt need me to strap on a bomb and die for Him.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: And if I do ever get god, I'll go with a strong one like Odin that doesn't couch his atrocities in nice platitudes about being all loving.
     animosity_26: How foolish.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: What's foolish? Do we have to figure out which god is better than another now?
     animosity_26: Odin is just Satan. I mean, how blind CAN people become??
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Odin is Satan? Since when?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: And all this time, I thought Odin was a Nordic god that had nothing to do with Christianity at all...
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Silly me.
     animosity_26: All gods are of Satan. The God of Israel is the only true God and WILL reveal himself.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Allah is Satan?
     animosity_26: Nordic God...right.
     animosity_26: Of course.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Uh huh. And how is Odin Satan when Odin was around long before your God of Israel came about...?
     animosity_26: Buddah, Kali, anyone you can name.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Buddha is not a god.
     animosity_26: God was here before man, man "made" up odin as well as others.
     animosity_26: God made everything.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Oh ho. And man didn't make up your god?
     animosity_26: NO.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: No? Funny. What about Mithra?
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Is Mithra Satan, too?
     animosity_26: God is the first and the last.
     animosity_26: Yes.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: He bears a striking resemblance to your Jesus, and was around many many years before Jesus...
     animosity_26: There shall be no God's before me says the Lord.
     animosity_26: Nothing was before God.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: The Lord didn't say that til long after Mithra was around, chief.
     animosity_26: There is only one God and one deceiver.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Have you done any research at all into ancient religion?
     animosity_26: And the deceiver will share the reward of all others who deny. The funny thing will be that Satan will burn because he left God and the people will burn because Satan convinced them God didnt exist...funny how the one that will be burning with them knew the truth but they didnt.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Satan has not convinced me god doesn't exist, hon. You are so mistaken.
     animosity_26: Uh huh.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: lol
     zombie_wants_you_dead: This is pointless.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: You are a self-righteous asshole. I think we have nothing more to say to each other.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Run along now.
     animosity_26: That is what I tried to tell your friend. All I can is that if you dont beleive in God then you die and there is nothing so what do you have to worry about?? You only have to worry if the bible is true.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Pascal's Wager.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: No dice.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Run along now.
     animosity_26: No dice. And no paradise.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: With Pascal's Wager? It's logically fallible and unusable. You use that, and nothing else you have to say to me is worth anything.
     animosity_26: Just remember, you can doubt everything the Lord God has said. You can mock Him, not trust Him, even not beleive He exists. But you will be confronted with the truth nonetheless. He will reveal Himself to the sinners. And then Christ, who they also mocked, will have His vengeance when He casts them into hell with the "god(s)" they chose to follow instead.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: More threats.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Go away.
     animosity_26: No. Promises.
     animosity_26: I will be going away. That is why I am happy.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Threats.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Leave me alone now. I'm being polite.
     animosity_26: As you wish. But you and everyone will see. I will continue to pray on your behalf nonetheless. Goodbye and have a good day.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Don't pray for me. Just leave me alone. Go be deluded on your own time.
     animosity_26: I pray anyway. Goodbye.
     zombie_wants_you_dead: Fuck off.
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