16 August 2003 at 13.11.04 ZuluTime
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Posted by Gremlin [12.211.200.127 - 12-211-200-127.client.attbi.com] on 16 August 2003 at 13.11.04 ZuluTime:
I took a few days off from the chatroom. Guess what I returned to find....
--Gremlin
LOG OPEN Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:11:57 gremlin_net, limb0
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:12:02 gremlin_net, limb0
evilcoffeechick :
atheologian :
red_pepper_suppository : lol@hal
nyettiprincess : is it religious hal?
hal9000lovesdusty : all lost,ey?
nyettiprincess : 'lo gremlin net
hal9000lovesdusty : no, unless you think atheists canbe religious
gremlin_net : Hello.
matthewjacobson_2003 : hal...where nis the conflict in your sexuality and well have a go at it.
hal9000lovesdusty : i suppose they could, like a Buddhist
hal9000lovesdusty : nis?
nyettiprincess : an atheist has the option
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:13:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hal9000lovesdusty : if you define being religious in a certain way,then, yes, i am
hal9000lovesdusty : but there is a distinction between being religious and having a religion
matthewjacobson_2003 : hal you atheist?
hal9000lovesdusty : yes, agnostic atheist
nyettiprincess : agreed hal
c_bear_187 : hello
gremlin_net : There's also a difference between a religion and a philosophy.
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:14:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hal9000lovesdusty : There is no empirical evidence of anything supernatural, eternal, or infinite
red_pepper_suppository : hmmm....fence rider.....yeehaw
nyettiprincess : 'lo cbear
hal9000lovesdusty : at least in the present age there is not
c_bear_187 : wuz cracken
hal9000lovesdusty : perhaps its impossible
red_pepper_suppository : <):)
hal9000lovesdusty : like square circles,god my be a contrAdiction in terms
nyettiprincess : the super natural occurs as nature
hal9000lovesdusty : god may
hal9000lovesdusty : oops
matthewjacobson_2003 : Hal..have tehy proved that the universe has a boundary?
hunter_the_crazychick : is back
hunter_the_crazychick : "There are a lot of boobs out there son, but they're just boobs. Boobs will come and go, and someday, you'll meet a set of boobs you'll want to marry...."
hal9000lovesdusty : itis finite yet unbounded, mat
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:15:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : The supernatural can't by definition occur within nature.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : lol hunter
hal9000lovesdusty : the supernatural occurs in human imaginations only
hal9000lovesdusty : so far
matthewjacobson_2003 : That sounds like some one trying to pad down something that is infinite to me
red_pepper_suppository : have to remember that one !!!! /:)
hal9000lovesdusty : language is a bewitching thing
nyettiprincess : not by definition no but it does occur
hunter_the_crazychick : giggles.
matthewjacobson_2003 : true
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:16:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : Sara: I'm watching SouthPark.
rmugedn :
gremlin_net : nyettiprincess: that's literally impossible. The supernatural would be, by definition, 'beyond nature'.
hal9000lovesdusty : princess,there is no empirical evidence corroborating even one supposed supernatural event, process, entity, etc,so, if you have special knowledge,please shareit
matthewjacobson_2003 : supernatural means a lot of things to a lot of people...
nyettiprincess : ghosts
hal9000lovesdusty : if you claim it does occur, you must be privy to something
matthewjacobson_2003 : Hal...I felt the presence of the supernatural when I received the Holy spirit.
hal9000lovesdusty : no evidence of ghosts,lol
rev_sara_the_demon_child : And god created Woman, and she was good. She hd two arms, two legs, and three breasts. God asked Woman if she wanted anythign changed. She asked God to remove her middle breast, and it was good. There stood Woman, with her third breast in hand. She asked God what could be done with this useless boob. And God created Man....
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:17:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : nyettiprincess: there's no evidence of ghosts at all--within nature or beyond it.
revspecies116 : Hello ALL, It is I, Rev Species 116
red_pepper_suppository : <-- has a supernatural lawnchair......:-O
hal9000lovesdusty : matt,what you felt was in your imagination
hal9000lovesdusty : it was a psychological epiphany
revspecies116 : LOL, woody
matthewjacobson_2003 : Hal..although I cannot prove it to you it does not mean that it cant be real and supernatural
hunter_the_crazychick : laughs.
nyettiprincess : tree spirits
rev_sara_the_demon_child : I've always liked that joke
hal9000lovesdusty : hello agggy
matthewjacobson_2003 : Hal..you can no mor eprove that it was my imagination than I can it was the Holy Spirit
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:18:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
red_pepper_suppository : *falls over * lmao@woody
hal9000lovesdusty : people have epiphanies all the time, in every culture, inevery religion
matthewjacobson_2003 : Even though it was the Holy Ghost
rev_sara_the_demon_child : :P
gremlin_net : In theory, a thing could be real, supernatural, and unproved. But it couldn't be a component of nature. That's where the impossibility begins.
matthewjacobson_2003 : epiphanie is a word that non religious types use for religious experience
revspecies116 : I shouldn't really laugh at that
revspecies116 : I'm a MAN you see
revspecies116 : LOL
hal9000lovesdusty : when you arrive at the conclusion that there is a god without the emotional coloring, it might be more convincing
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:19:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: actually, the nonreligious tend to spell 'epiphany' correctly.
hunter_the_crazychick : yawns at Gremlin.
hal9000lovesdusty : but always people seem to find god by means of their emotions
matthewjacobson_2003 : Hal..do you accept that you cant prove my experience as being a result of my imagination?
rev_sara_the_demon_child :
rev_sara_the_demon_child :
rev_sara_the_demon_child : whoa, how did that happen?
hunter_the_crazychick : Let me know when you want to walk over to Als....
hunter_the_crazychick : Sara.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Hunter?
hal9000lovesdusty : matt, there is no other logical or probable explanation but to jump to the conclusion you wish to find without evidence, yes
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:20:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : Nothin'.
gremlin_net : If matthewjacobson_2003 can't be proved to exist, then his imagination, by default, can't be proved to exist. So that's a valid statement, I suppose.
hal9000lovesdusty : proof is an axiomatic thing, its about euclidian forms of demonstration
rev_sara_the_demon_child : I hate button down shirts, they make my neck look scrawney
nyettiprincess : annuation is yearly pay-superannuation is still payment
hal9000lovesdusty : I want evidence, which is much different
hal9000lovesdusty : scholasticism gave up on the attempt to PROVE god
gremlin_net : nyettiprincess: you're focussing on the wrong part of the word.
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:21:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
matthewjacobson_2003 : hal...just as much as I want evidence that it was my imagination and not the Holy Spirit.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : beb
rev_sara_the_demon_child : brb too
c_bear_187 : any body from wichita
nyettiprincess : nature -is it infinite?
hal9000lovesdusty : matt, you should not jump to conclusions that are wild, far fetched, and illogical, also improbable,and dependent on bronze agemythology, when you have a logical, probable, explanation
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:22:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: there's evidence that you *have* an imagination; there's no evidence that you have a holy spirit. Given the evidence collected to date, the simplest possible answer is that your imagination tricked you.
hal9000lovesdusty : until you show that the logical explanations could not cover your case, you have not convinced anyone
matthewjacobson_2003 : Hal..in all of my religious education NEVER have I heard of any one setting about to PROVE God. Rather, it has been a recurring message that our religion is part of accepting that there is something out there that is too big and complicated for us to ever find answers to. While we are on earth
hal9000lovesdusty : personal anecdotal evidence is notoriously unreliable
red_pepper_suppository : *had an epiphany once.....but i forgot what it was.....* :-S
hunter_the_crazychick : Gremlin?
nyettiprincess : hahhah red
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:23:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
matthewjacobson_2003 : hal..and where did you base you evidence from?
c_bear_187 : is any body from wichita???
red_pepper_suppository : not me bear...
gremlin_net : hal9000lovesdusty: even then, there's a problem. It's logical that his imagination is to blame. Disproving that doesn't lead directly to deities. There's always that chance that it was just goblins pretending to be deities. You know how those goblins lie....
gremlin_net : Hunter: what.
hal9000lovesdusty : matt, irreducible complexity is just the modern version of the fallacoius scholastic argument from design;there is nothing irreducible or complex that we do not impose on the otherwise undifferentiated and indeterminate stuff we call reality
matthewjacobson_2003 : Hal..what I find funny is that you feel you know what happened to me...when youve never met me nor have you experienced what I have
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:24:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
nyettiprincess : goblins reckon they never lie
revspecies116 : Is anyone on the Mic?
hal9000lovesdusty : that is a modern creationist notion, based in a Pythagorean hangover
hal9000lovesdusty : no,rev
revspecies116 : Thought my yahoo went funny
hal9000lovesdusty : has been to wichita, yuck
c_bear_187 : were are you from red pepper
hal9000lovesdusty : hello rev,we hear
matthewjacobson_2003 : hal..it certainly is worthy of the circumpara-aquatory
rev_sara_the_demon_child : if I wanna take a guy home wit me tomight iis none of yo bizzniss
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:25:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
red_pepper_suppository : mid-south
hal9000lovesdusty : what?
matthewjacobson_2003 : but then thats my opinion
c_bear_187 : what hal
mike_simion2000 : tin
hunter_the_crazychick : Gremlin: did you want to go to Als?
rev_sara_the_demon_child : gaaaaaaah @ that song
hal9000lovesdusty : circumpara-aquatory??
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: working on the presumption that you're likely a chordatan, bipedal mammal of the species H.sapiens, which members are known to have imaginations, we can deduce that you have an imagination, based on general empirical evidence. Since we have no evidence of holy poltergeists, we don't leap to that conclusion as a probable explanation.
matthewjacobson_2003 : yes...its latin in origin
gremlin_net : Hunter: soonish.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : hunter: what's Al's?
hal9000lovesdusty : c bear,i have been there,that is all
matthewjacobson_2003 : I thought you were a bit more scholarly
chika2186 : boob tube.
hal9000lovesdusty : a lot of steers and queers,lol
hunter_the_crazychick : Sara: grocery store.
c_bear_187 : are you in wichita
revspecies116 : I do hope you have all been updating your XP's
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:26:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hal9000lovesdusty : matt,dropping some technical term doesnot make you 'scholarly"
rev_sara_the_demon_child : hunter: Ah, we have hy-vee here
revspecies116 : youdo NOT want to get blasted
hal9000lovesdusty : what does it mean?
red_pepper_suppository : *thinks bear needs a ride somewhere*
nyettiprincess : what's technical mean?
rev_sara_the_demon_child : hy-vee Supertarget and Super Wal-Mart
hal9000lovesdusty : funny, priness
matthewjacobson_2003 : toilet
c_bear_187 : lol
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Oh, and fareway, but thats the ghetto store
matthewjacobson_2003 : circum (latin)..around
matthewjacobson_2003 : para...down
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:27:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
matthewjacobson_2003 : aqua...water
gremlin_net : My ISP sent me an EMail which was actually rejected for Removing MSBlast.exe for Dummies for being too remedial.
matthewjacobson_2003 : tory
matthewjacobson_2003 : room
hal9000lovesdusty : so, what does "around water"have anything to do with our discussion,matt?
red_pepper_suppository : huh?....what did he say???
nyettiprincess : down an' around the watering holes
matthewjacobson_2003 : I was taking the piss out of you
hunter_the_crazychick : Sara: ther's an Als in Des Moines.
matthewjacobson_2003 : You obviously missed a moment of light humour
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Hunter: eh?
revspecies116 : KB823980
chika2186 : Brainless one is confused, but oh well
matthewjacobson_2003 : never mind
hunter_the_crazychick : Sara: Albertsons.
hunter_the_crazychick : Als.
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:28:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : I'm going to integrate this dumb fucking EMail into the next What's New. It's too silly to hide from my vict--erm...visitors....
rev_sara_the_demon_child : I never go to des moines. If I ever go down that way it's to go to Ames
revspecies116 : <-- Protect yourself
matthewjacobson_2003 : Grem..from your prev comment
matthewjacobson_2003 : Yes I am a man
matthewjacobson_2003 : yes I do have an imagination
hal9000lovesdusty : well, we were discussing the creationist's use of the notion of irreducible complexity in their modern form of the fallacious argument fromdesign
meribianmatthew : microsoft is trying to crack down on piracy also
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Arrrrrr shiver me timbers
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:29:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : laughs at "Fuck you mongoreans stop breaking down my sheety wall!"
hal9000lovesdusty : irreducible complexity is neither
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: then that settles that. You're likely to have the homosapien ability to imagine things which don't exist in reality. Ockham's Razor suggests that that's the explanation here.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Well i gotta go enter the snakepit or something
hal9000lovesdusty : neither irreducible, or complex, in the final analysis
hal9000lovesdusty : like creationism,which is neither logical nor scientific
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Please, if there is a higher power of some sort, make this day go by very fast and don't make me remember any of it
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:30:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
chika2186 : Righty then. 42 y'all
nyettiprincess : females from a man's rib?
matthewjacobson_2003 : grem...however, why would you say that it was my imagination before saying that I might be mentally ill...or that I was the victim of a prank?
gremlin_net : Sara: you don't need deities for that. Just drink a lot.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : see ya tomorrow everyone...that is, if I don't kill myself first
matthewjacobson_2003 : I am a follower of JEsus
hunter_the_crazychick : Sara: good luck.
red_pepper_suppository : by woody
matthewjacobson_2003 : HE is my father and my king
hal9000lovesdusty : who?
rev_sara_the_demon_child : grem: My brother gets married today and I have to be a slave ummm I mean bridesmaid
meribianmatthew : microsoft is saving serial numbers on things and if they see the same number more than once they'll delete the second one...at least this is planned for the next operating systems
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: if you believe in deities, you're already known to be mentally ill. Theism has been proved to be a form of schizophrenia.
hal9000lovesdusty : abronze age sky daddy?
meribianmatthew : gremlin shut your mouth
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:31:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hal9000lovesdusty : why do you not believe in Marduk? mat?
rev_sara_the_demon_child : hunter: thanks, I'll need it
hal9000lovesdusty : or Ahura Mazda?
matthewjacobson_2003 : gremlin: would you like proof?
hal9000lovesdusty : or Mithra?
gremlin_net : meribianmatthew: it wasn't open; I'm able to type with it closed. Behold and worship.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : has been proved?
rev_sara_the_demon_child : that sounds odd for some reason
hal9000lovesdusty : or any of the other bronze age gods to whom you now demonstrate your atheism?
hal9000lovesdusty : for you are an atheist toward all of them
matthewjacobson_2003 : rev..he is there
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:32:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
meribianmatthew : do you have him blocked, rev?
red_pepper_suppository : yes he is rev
gremlin_net : Sara: yeah. Temporal lobe epilepsy. A soft schizophrenia in which a schizophrenic misprocesses input and assumes it's deital in origin.
hal9000lovesdusty : and for the same reasons you dismiss them, we dismiss yahweh, or jehovah, or el shaddai
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: proof of what?
mike_simion2000 : helloo
mike_simion2000 : room
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Jah grem, for sure...
matthewjacobson_2003 : gremlin would you like proof of God?
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Grem, you're just too odd for me somedays...
hal9000lovesdusty : as human imagination gone wild
hal9000lovesdusty : as anthropomorphism
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: okay. Hit me. Give me empirical evidence of any deities.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : must leave now, will be late for hair appointment
hal9000lovesdusty : yahweh is no more real than any of the other bronze age gods
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:33:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
matthewjacobson_2003 : Hi Mike'
nyettiprincess : matthewj.-prove
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: not evidence. Strike One.
matthewjacobson_2003 : Grem...I said that I will give you proof of God
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: hurry up. Strike Two.
hal9000lovesdusty : the burden of proof is with parties that make the existential claims
matthewjacobson_2003 : Im not giving you empirical evidence of a diety
hal9000lovesdusty : if you say x exists, you need to demonstrate with some kind of evidence, preferably emprical
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: so I noticed. Strike Three; here's your shirt: http://fraud.grem.tv
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:34:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
nyettiprincess : god worshippwersa are real- their object is not
hal9000lovesdusty : right, matt,all you have is your faith,and that is essentially irrational
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003 confesses to contractural fraud. He offered; I considered; I consented; he failed to deliver.
matthewjacobson_2003 : gremlin: you obviously are more concerned with being rude.....when you grow up ...if you would like proof, just let me know
meribianmatthew : princess shut your bitch ass up
hal9000lovesdusty : there is a natural history of god belief
nyettiprincess : don't divert matthew
goddess_goldberry : matthew.. instead of stallling, why dont you just hand out your proof?
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: anytime you come up with proof, let me know about it, Fraud.
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:35:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
goddess_goldberry : grem is only pointing out that you have yet to give proof...
hal9000lovesdusty : people did not always believe in one god, and did not always believe in any gods
shs64us : People who do not know God cannot understand how or why we believe the inspired word of God
nyettiprincess : merb ian worships a god
matthewjacobson_2003 : I just offered Gremlin the chance to explore evidence of God and he entered into a rant of non sense..obviously too scared
hal9000lovesdusty : sh, that is a fallacy; you are claiming special knowledge
matthewjacobson_2003 : Grem might find the truth
gremlin_net : shs64us: not true. I don't believe in deities; but I understand why theists do.
napoleoninrags1b : maybe because you have no evidence
meribianmatthew : hal you havent been here very long so you cant say "never" or "always" or anything of that sort
nyettiprincess : you too scared to p[roove matthew
hal9000lovesdusty : its only possible to know god when you know god,lol
goddess_goldberry : shs.. people thought the same thing about zeus and odin... does that mean that they were right too?
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:36:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: keep lying, Fraud; within a week or two, people might start to believe you.
meribianmatthew : considering that you havent EXISTED for all of time
goddess_goldberry : matt.. you haven't even mentioned any evidence
hal9000lovesdusty : meribian, is four years long enough?lol
demiurge_nt : shs64us: People who do not know the Cosmic Space Monkeys don't understand people who believe their inspired words. :D
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: for today, though, everyone's still aware that you claimed to have proof and failed to submit it.
red_pepper_suppository : :))
hal9000lovesdusty : I have been coming to this room for four years and I have two degrees in comparative religions and philososphy, am 46 years old
nyettiprincess : meribianmatthew-gods haven't existed for all time
napoleoninrags1b : everyone is always right regarding whatever lunatic thing :)
neo_hackers_from_hell_virus_666 : >:)
matthewjacobson_2003 : Grem...I offered you the chance to talk about it and your actig liek a two year old with his fingers in his ears shouting "lalalalala" Im not listening
meribianmatthew : im not talking about that
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:37:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
meribianmatthew : i mean on this planet
matthewjacobson_2003 : Gremlin I didnt fail to submit it ..Im waiting for you to ask me to present it
napoleoninrags1b : i don't want to listen either matthew, 'cause it's the same old same old
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: we're all listening, Fraud. We're listening so attentively that we're all terribly aware that you haven't shown us this 'proof' yet.
meribianmatthew : you havent been on it since the beginning of time so you cant say what always has been or hasnt
hal9000lovesdusty : natural history of god belief, animism>polytheism.monotheism.atheism
goddess_goldberry : rev... i hear the people in new york had a good look at it a few days ago
demiurge_nt : matthew: Did you claim to have evidence of your god?
shs64us : the bible is proof that provides evidence--historical, archeological, and perhps most incredibly, phophetic information that cannot be disproven--only supported. it is evidence that demands a verdict indeed
hal9000lovesdusty : meribian, and YOU can??lol, that lame Ken Hamm got your mind in a box?? were YOU there?lol
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:38:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: I already asked. I said 'Okay; hit me'. Then you failed to give us the 'proof', Fraud.
goddess_goldberry : rev.. the astronomers said it was like being IN space.. the sky was so dark and beautiful
hal9000lovesdusty : sh, you are dead wrong
meribianmatthew : and dont say shit recorded in history since history is never really accurate...everybody that witnesses something explains it differently from the next person
goddess_goldberry : noo rev.. they are all hooked together
hal9000lovesdusty : and silly, too
matthewjacobson_2003 : Ill tell ya what..Illsubmit my proof when you stop it with the fraud nonesense and show me that you are serious about hearing what I have to say....If you ccall me that again I will ignore you
napoleoninrags1b : i have evidence of god.....he opens the door for me when my hands are full at the grocery :)
meribianmatthew : and alot of people translate things differently from others too
goddess_goldberry : and they are not really sure what happened
goddess_goldberry : tech.. it shouldn't have happened
meribianmatthew : i never claimed to be able to
red_pepper_suppository : yep rev
iva_biguns : one day you'll look, to see i've gone
shs64us : you do not know God. I understand why yoou think this way
napoleoninrags1b : we don't care what you have to say matthew :)
demiurge_nt : shs64us: Pssst...the earth isn't flat, no matter WHAT the Bible says.
nyettiprincess : meribbeanmatthew - but I have been alive long enogh to know about the whims and desires of humans to worship
iva_biguns : but tommorrow might rain
shs64us : I used to be an atheist
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:39:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
demiurge_nt : shs64us: You don't know any gods either
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: you're a known fraud. Here's a better deal: it's now twenty till; if you manage to download an attentionspan and give us the 'proof' by the top of the hour, I won't gong you and make it clear to the 'net at large that you're a trolling muttfucker. Tick tock.
nyettiprincess : the NEED to worship?
goddess_goldberry : shs64... that is nice.. but there is just as much evidence for zeus.. why dont you follow him?
meribianmatthew : nyetti then pick one...religion or no religion..and then leave others alone about it lol
iva_biguns : so i'll follow the sun
hunter_the_crazychick : laughs.
hal9000lovesdusty : meribian, by your epistemic criteria, knowledge would be impossble and all facts are subject to rejection based on the willy nilly
shs64us : Oh to the contrary, I know God. Notice, that is singular
gremlin_net : shs64us: all thesits used to be atheists; that's not uncommon.
gremlin_net : theists*
nyettiprincess : alone?
hal9000lovesdusty : meribian, but do, please, go on commiting epistemoloigcal suicide,lol
meribianmatthew : thats true
demiurge_nt : shs64us: Singularly idiotic
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:40:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
napoleoninrags1b : lol grem
shs64us : whats your point?
napoleoninrags1b : yeah, that's a common christian lie
meribianmatthew : your an idiot hal
hal9000lovesdusty : There is no empirical evidence of ANYTHING supernatural, eternal, or infinite
matthewjacobson_2003 : gremlin...I knew you couldn't do it. How sad. Youre too immature. I offered you the chance to talk about it like an adult and a chance to put evidence on the table. You've chosen to behave like a teenager. See ya when you grow up
iva_biguns : oh dear what can i do
hal9000lovesdusty : nice come back, merbian,lol
gremlin_net : meribianmatthew: 'your' is a possessive determiner, Dumbass.
iva_biguns : babys in black and i'm feeling blue
shs64us : Hal, why are you so consumed with empirical
hal9000lovesdusty : hit and run fundie
iva_biguns : oh what can i do
napoleoninrags1b : odd how 9 out of 10 christians who show up here "used to be atheists"
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: nineteen minutes, Fraud.
goddess_goldberry : shs64.. most atheists used to be theists.. does that mean anything to you?
hal9000lovesdusty : shs, that is the only way to establish ANYTHING as a fact
hunter_the_crazychick : finally gets to Ladder to Heaven.
demiurge_nt : matthew: You are accusing grem of not doing something?? Where the fuck is the evidence you claimed to have, Liar?
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:41:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
matthewjacobson_2003 : dem...would you like evidence?
goddess_goldberry : napole.. of course.. atheist = someone afriad or mad at god
red_pepper_suppository : *shots fired from the grassy knoll......*
hal9000lovesdusty : and I rely on facts, not on special knowledge or faith
shs64us : those theists never really knew God--thats an easy one
demiurge_nt : matthew: gremlin has been asking you for it since I got here :))
red_pepper_suppository : *ducks*
napoleoninrags1b : piss off shs
nyettiprincess : gods are for people who can't face reality
gremlin_net : demiurge_nt: just say 'yes'; it seems to be a condition of his schizophrenia.
hal9000lovesdusty : shs, thaT IS SO RIDICULOUS
hal9000lovesdusty : that is so self contradictory
shs64us : I understand why you think that way
demiurge_nt : shs64us: Easy one? Then stop with the bullshit nonsensical answers'
shs64us : it is pride
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:42:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hal9000lovesdusty : you do not even know the fallacies you are falling into
matthewjacobson_2003 : dem..you didnt answer my question
napoleoninrags1b : do piss off shs
goddess_goldberry : shs64.. pride? of what?
shs64us : lol
goddess_goldberry : rev.. noo ny has power back
hal9000lovesdusty : faith is not a leap of faith, its a fall into the gap in reasoning
red_pepper_suppository : localized....
demiurge_nt : matthew: And you have yet to provide your evidence of a god, Fraud
shs64us : have you given scripture a chance?
shs64us : have you really explored it?
napoleoninrags1b : :)) scripture
matthewjacobson_2003 : dem...lol
goddess_goldberry : shs64.. have you given satanism a chance?
nyettiprincess : pride goeth before the fall
red_pepper_suppository : not sure...
matthewjacobson_2003 : dem you are too scared too
matty_hardyoo1 : god is good all the time
napoleoninrags1b : lol gg :P
demiurge_nt : shs64us: Scripture? Oh yes! Numbers 31:15-19 is my favorite!
gremlin_net : demiurge_nt: some paranoid schizophrenics actually require binary answers to closed questions. It's almost an autistic disorder, without the superintellectual benefits. Say 'yes'.
hal9000lovesdusty : shs, I have a BUY BULL right here, but why have you not given the Q'uran a chance??
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:43:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
goddess_goldberry : matty.. which god?
demiurge_nt : matthew: LOL...where's your evidence, Lying Coward?
matthewjacobson_2003 : dem Im offering to give you my best proof and you wont engage me in a rational and mature manner.
shs64us : Satanism is real thats for sure--but i have decided to go with the winner--God.
goddess_goldberry : the god who flooded the world? or the god who thinks menstrating women should not be out in public?
red_pepper_suppository : *checks the trapdoor*
matthewjacobson_2003 : dem..Ill tell you what
demiurge_nt : matthew: Then PRESENT it, quit evading
gremlin_net : More deals from the fraud....
napoleoninrags1b : right, i admit it, i haven't given the bhagavida a chance, i'm sooo distainful and unfeeling :P
hal9000lovesdusty : the Q'uran was inspired by the angel Gabriel and told to one man, not diluted by being strained through many other mortals
red_pepper_suppository : fundies are pouring into the room......8-|
hal9000lovesdusty : so, why not believe the Q'uran?
goddess_goldberry : shs64... how do you know that god isn't really satan tricking you into thinking that you are following the good side
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:44:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
demiurge_nt : matthew: I'll tell YOU what...present your evidence or get gonged, you have 2 minutes
hal9000lovesdusty : its the inspired word of god
matthewjacobson_2003 : dem...you give me your word that you will be rational and mature, stop with the adolescent behaviour, and I will share with you.
goddess_goldberry : the true god could be satan.. the one who doesnt lie
hal9000lovesdusty : yes, give the Gita a chance
napoleoninrags1b : we still don't believe you have squat matthew
hal9000lovesdusty : and the Avestas
shs64us : becasue His Spirit lives inside of me and He is Holy. That is, He has no sin
demiurge_nt : matthew: Evasion IS adolescent behavior, please stop and get on with it.
hal9000lovesdusty : and the Vedas
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: ATTENTION YOU FRAUDULENT PLEBEIAN--WE WANT TO SEE YOUR 'PROOF' OF THIS DEITY. AND YOU HAVE FIFTEEN MINUTES LEFT TO PRESENT IT. DO IT NOW. YES. YES. YES. NOW. MAKE THIS HAPPEN, YOU FUCKING MORON.
goddess_goldberry : matthew.. ohhh well fuck.. share with me
demiurge_nt : shs64us: You sick bastard
goddess_goldberry : share with anyone
napoleoninrags1b : my god's bigger than your god
hal9000lovesdusty : shs, bullshit, sin is a made up concept to sell you the sure
nyettiprincess : don't assume adolescence matthew and grow up with the grownups
goddess_goldberry : just stop whining
hal9000lovesdusty : cure\
hal9000lovesdusty : cure,oops
napoleoninrags1b : plebian?
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:45:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hal9000lovesdusty : jesus eats the little children
hal9000lovesdusty : zen
zenpunk : hal
napoleoninrags1b : zen again :P
zenpunk : hi napol
napoleoninrags1b : :)
hal9000lovesdusty : the childreen that go to hell are food for angels
napoleoninrags1b : lol hal
goddess_goldberry : zen :X
zenpunk : goldie :)
hal9000lovesdusty : abortion clinics are angel factories
goddess_goldberry : lol hal
shs64us : notice how so many of you get angry and use profanity. Have you considered where this comes from? Is this anger? Why are you being so intolerant of others opinions?
goddess_goldberry : heheh
matthewjacobson_2003 : Nah..I havent tried to insult you. I havent tried to swear at you and I havent tried to belittle you. On the contrary dem has done the opposite to me. If I have his assurance Ill put forth...but not a moment sooner
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:46:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
nyettiprincess : 'lo goddess
hunter_the_crazychick : dies laughing.
gremlin_net : Fourteen minutes....
red_pepper_suppository : buy-bull....get it.....hehehehehhe
hal9000lovesdusty : we are only intolerant of idiots, like you shs
hunter_the_crazychick : This is fucking funny....
hal9000lovesdusty : and fundies
matthewjacobson_2003 : If I get spoken to rudely youll get the iggy
demiurge_nt : shsus64: Good question! Why ARE you intolerant of other belief systems, or lack thereof?
hal9000lovesdusty : like you
goddess_goldberry : shs64.. intolerant of what?.. i am not angry? i just find it odd that someone claims something and the whines for 15 min about how everyone is mean to him
shs64us : Hal, why are you so opposed to God?
demiurge_nt : matthew: Nice evasion, now your evidence...?
hal9000lovesdusty : goddess, exactly
napoleoninrags1b : oh, i told it to piss off twice :P it's my fault
demiurge_nt : shsus64: Why are you so opposed to Odin?
goddess_goldberry : matthew.. look.. just speak up.. tell us what is on your mind
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:47:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : The adage suggests that everyone has a purpose. Apparently, matthewjacobson_2003's purpose is supplying content for http://JesusFree.com
hal9000lovesdusty : shs, I am not opposed to something that does not exist
demiurge_nt : Why is matthew afraid to answer me? :((
goddess_goldberry : if you keep stalling, i will have to iggy you
matthewjacobson_2003 : dem..you are evading..I, on the other hand am more than ready. Im waiting for you to give me your word
hunter_the_crazychick : laughs and laughs.
goddess_goldberry : dem.. what did he ask you?
muzikguy88 : why dont you clowns take this all to a room where it is more fitting??????
demiurge_nt : matthew: Give you my word? STOP EVADING, COWARD!
hal9000lovesdusty : this is a debate room,duh
gremlin_net : goddess_goldberry: I'm giving him another twelve minutes. Then he's ignored and the logue is uploaded as evidence that he's a trolling fraud.
hunter_the_crazychick : Gremlin: you'll have to see this. This is fucking funny.
nyettiprincess : muzikguy-it is fitting this room
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:48:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
napoleoninrags1b : quietly aims a cannon at muzik :-$
gremlin_net : Hunter: hmmm?
muzikguy88 : whoops.............that it is
shs64us : Hal, i appreciate that answer. If I could show you evidence that He does exist, would you listen and consider it or have you already made up your mind
muzikguy88 : outta here
goddess_goldberry : grem.. yep
hunter_the_crazychick : Gremlin: SouthPark Season 6 episode 12: Ladder to Heaven. It's fucking hilarious.
demiurge_nt : LOL....now shs64us is claiming evidence!!
matthewjacobson_2003 : dem..Im not affraid. I am refusing to answer until you stop with the name calling and assure me you will converse like an adult...with out the name calling. You do it again and Ill iggy.
gremlin_net : What kind of promise is the fraud trying to secure? That we'll accept whatever he pulls out of his ass as proof of deities?
nyettiprincess : SHOW THE EVIDENCE please
gremlin_net : Hunter: ah.
demiurge_nt : shs64us and matthew: Present your evidence or be revealed as liars and cowards
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:49:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
goddess_goldberry : dem.. look how you get all the fun people
goddess_goldberry : no one wants to talk to me :((
demiurge_nt : goddess: It's a gift. :D
goddess_goldberry : lol
hunter_the_crazychick : HAHA!
gremlin_net : Ten minutes....
shs64us : may we talk via the phone?
goddess_goldberry : lol shs.. lol hehehehe
matty_hardyoo1 : thy word is the lamd unto my feet n the light unto my path
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:50:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
shs64us : The evidence is not easily given via this chat line
matthewjacobson_2003 : dem..youve just proved that you are scared to find out the truth about God. I told you that I would discuss it with you if you were willing to behave like an adult and not throow insults around. I told you I would iggy you if you did it again. That shows you are scared. See ya
demiurge_nt : matthew: Your lack of posts is NOT evidence of anything except your fraudulent claim
goddess_goldberry : shs.. who do you want to call you? and waste long distance time on you..
goddess_goldberry : shs.. then get on voice
gremlin_net : Nine minutes....
demiurge_nt : matthew: So you will not prove the evidence you claimed to have? Then you are a liar and a coward.
nyettiprincess : 'holy spirit' energy transferrence is not a proof of a god
demiurge_nt : *provide
hunter_the_crazychick : dies again. FUCK!
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:51:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
matthewjacobson_2003 : What a waste of time that was.
hunter_the_crazychick : The US Government stepped in to build the ladder to heaven to beat japan. HA!
hal9000lovesdusty : the loving Christian thing to do to your interlocutor is to boot them out of chat, lol
nyettiprincess : 'holy spirit is a surrender
hal9000lovesdusty : if you cant beat them
zenpunk : interloctor???
shs64us : there is fear and faith. Fear says we evolved. Fatih says there is hope. Fear goes with anger and cynisism. Faith goes with peace and love
red_pepper_suppository : *pours holy spirit into his lawnmower*
matthewjacobson_2003 : I find it so frustrating that Non Christians approach me and want proof right here and now,
gremlin_net : Surprise: http://profiles.yahoo.com/matthewjacobson_2003 has a snap of someone with Downs and his girlfriend....
gremlin_net : Eight minutes....
matthewjacobson_2003 : THey leave no room to discuss
demiurge_nt : shs64us: That's nice, now your evidence please
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:52:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
goddess_goldberry : shs64.. i really can't take it when people twist around the english language....
matthewjacobson_2003 : and then scream preaching if you say more than three sentences
nyettiprincess : why is there no hope in evolution?
hal9000lovesdusty : shs, your simplistic dichtomy is tiresome
hunter_the_crazychick : snorts.
matty_hardyoo1 : how great thoyu art
matthewjacobson_2003 : Columbus didnt prove the earth was round in 3 minutes and these guys want me to prove God!!!
hal9000lovesdusty : yes, this shs character is a fundie, it would seem
demiurge_nt : matthew: YOU are the one who claimed to have proof!!! BACK YOUR CLAIM
gremlin_net : I've been meaning to ask how great thoyus actually are....
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:53:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
nyettiprincess : chatproof-words
goddess_goldberry : matthew.. you said you had proof.. and yet you haven't .. usually if someone says they have proof.. they don't whine for 15 min.. they give the proof
gremlin_net : Seven minutes....
demiurge_nt : matthew: Columbus never proved the earth was round, Magellan did
hal9000lovesdusty : has been waiting for the empirical evidence for year now
hunter_the_crazychick : HAH!
hunter_the_crazychick : dies.
matthewjacobson_2003 : goddess...Nice try..I didnt whine
goddess_goldberry : if a scientist pulled what you keep trying to pull, we would never have gotten past the square wheel
hunter_the_crazychick : "Now that Americans believe in heaven, should we bomb it?"
gremlin_net : Columbus never announced that he would prove the planet was round, and then troll on for half an hour, either.
hal9000lovesdusty : sees no reason to believe in any gods
hal9000lovesdusty : wb punk
hunter_the_crazychick : Saddam building WMD in heaven.
zenpunk : ty
gremlin_net : Six minutes....
hunter_the_crazychick : Oh *fuck*.
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:54:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
matthewjacobson_2003 : However I wasnt going to waste my time talkinng to someone that calls me a fraud while Im trying to type out my peace
goddess_goldberry : matthew.. so far, you are whining about how people are being immature, and adolesent.. you are NOT however.. opening up any dialogue, or getting to any point
gremlin_net : Five minutes....
goddess_goldberry : matthew.. i didn't call you a fraud.. many people didnt
demiurge_nt : matthew: No one has CALLED you a fraud, you labeled yourself a fraud by your actions(or lack thereof)
nyettiprincess : matthewjacobson-show your idea
goddess_goldberry : if you want me to sit here and wait, fine. you could be a slow typer
matthewjacobson_2003 : This is true goddess, yet i was talking to someone who was
gremlin_net : I know right where all the WMDs are. WMD stands for Women with Mental Disorders, right?
goddess_goldberry : matthew.. is that a bit overly focused?
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:55:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
matthewjacobson_2003 : OK here it is
gremlin_net : Four minutes....
goddess_goldberry : if you don't like how they treat you, i suggest you iggy them.. stop whineing
nyettiprincess : big room
matthewjacobson_2003 : I challenge any one that wants proof of God to try the following
hal9000lovesdusty : heaven is a crack house that gives it away
red_pepper_suppository : yep nyetti
goddess_goldberry : hunter.. "but it is just a chocolate chip factory..."
demiurge_nt : I challenge anyone who claims to have evidence of a god to present it
gremlin_net : goddess_goldberry: he claimed to have ignored us. Shortly after he claimed to have proof of deities. So far, I suspect that he was lying both times.
hal9000lovesdusty : me too, dem
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:56:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
goddess_goldberry : ok.. i am waiting on pins and needles
gremlin_net : Three minutes....
hunter_the_crazychick : Goddess: I'm watching South Park....
goddess_goldberry : hunter... i know
matthewjacobson_2003 : Get on your knees, fold your hands and say this prayer
nyettiprincess : don't pray please
demiurge_nt : LOL...matthew is delusional 8-}
matthewjacobson_2003 : God, I am a sinner and a non believer.
goddess_goldberry : ohh nooo
hunter_the_crazychick : Goddess: Oh. Okay. Sorry.
matthewjacobson_2003 : I have lived my life in defiance of you.
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:57:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
nyettiprincess : B-)
red_pepper_suppository : *must be his evidence*
goddess_goldberry : matthew.. if that didn't work 10 yrs ago.. what makes you think it will work now
hunter_the_crazychick : chokes and dies.
matthewjacobson_2003 : I am sorry and I ask your forgiveness
gremlin_net : If we have to pray to this one deity, admitting that we don't believe in it, shouldn't we pray to all the other deities too?
gremlin_net : Two minutes....
payammisaghipayam : sas
matthewjacobson_2003 : Lord Jesus have mercy on me
nyettiprincess : matthewjacobson -your apology is accepted
matthewjacobson_2003 : Lord please fill me with your spirit
matthewjacobson_2003 : Our Father
goddess_goldberry : matthew.. will you pray to zeus in the same manner?
demiurge_nt : "Lord Odin, have mercy on matthew, he has been possessed by the Deceiver Christ/Loki
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:58:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
matthewjacobson_2003 : WHo art in heaven
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003's apology doesn't release him from his obligation to supply this 'proof'.
hal9000lovesdusty : :))
gremlin_net : One minute....
matthewjacobson_2003 : hallowed be thy name
matthewjacobson_2003 : thy kingdom come
matthewjacobson_2003 : thy will be done
matthewjacobson_2003 : on earth
nyettiprincess : the sinner in a chat hell
matthewjacobson_2003 : as it is in heaven
gremlin_net : Hallowed be thy name? It's *not* Howard? Oh....
matthewjacobson_2003 : give us this day our daily bread
zenpunk : Harold be thy name
nyettiprincess : do not trespass
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:59:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
goddess_goldberry : ok.. matthew.. you need to kneel down.. look toward the clouds and ask zeus for forgiveness.. for leaving the true god to follow this imposter...
gremlin_net : And....
matthewjacobson_2003 : and forgive us our tresspasses as we forgive tose who tresspass against us
demiurge_nt : LOL....so matthews evidence is bleating like a broken record? 8-|
gremlin_net : Seven. Time's up for the fraud.
demiurge_nt : Forgive toes? For what?
matthewjacobson_2003 : lead us no tinto temptation but deliver us from evil
matthewjacobson_2003 : There is the proof
nyettiprincess : tose must've been bad
hal9000lovesdusty : goddamn chrsitians\
gremlin_net : demiurge_nt: he's not presenting evidence; he's preaching in a No Preaching Zone. He's a troll. And he's gonged until the year AD4742.
matthewjacobson_2003 : Not even willing to try
goddess_goldberry : lol "lead us not into temptation" .. is this to the guy who tempted eve with a tree?
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 07:00:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hal9000lovesdusty : only god will damn the christians
red_pepper_suppository : *has 6 toes on each foot.....forgives them*
goddess_goldberry : matthew.. if i pray to jesus , you have to pray to zeus..
matthewjacobson_2003 : hal are you willing to try this?
gremlin_net : matthewjacobson_2003: here you go. See you in the forty-eighth century. http://troll.grem.tv
nyettiprincess : i said that prayer a little differently as a child
foolnomo : matt..I need your address to send you a bill for wasting my fucking time!
demiurge_nt : So...*big surprise*...matthew has no evidence?
gremlin_net : Be back in a bit....
LOG DATA Sat, 16 Aug 2003 07:01:56 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
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