oni_koneko_damien : All your base are belong to us, you are on the way to destruction.
     boss_from_london : iCARUS admits to be a fool
     boss_from_london : aww so cute
     theophrenie : « waytoomuch, that dolt, bastard, baby raper, pig eating pice of camel dung
     theophrenie : « I mean boss
     boss_from_london : I do that to some people, they voluntarily profess of their foolishness in Public and do not think of Public HUmiliation
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:02:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     icarus_smokes : So, the totality of science, culture, and learning in human history centers around the Quran, boss?
     boss_from_london : Quran gives the age of the Universe near to 18 BILLION years , it also Matches with SCIENTIFIC ESTIMATE :D
     boss_from_london : Now dont say u didnt know that
     boss_from_london : lol
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:03:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     boss_from_london : Quran also mentions the state of Universe before BIGBAng, the "CLOSED MASS BALL"
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:04:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     boss_from_london : Quran also prophecises about ATOMIC BOMBS/Nuclear bombs Or hYDROGEN bombs, about Modern day Conveyances ie PLANES/CARS/Buses <<<
     oni_koneko_damien : Boss, look, incredibly vague verses skewed to support whatever modern events/inventions/people you bring up do NOT count as prophecies.
     oni_koneko_damien : Give it a rest, seriously.
     icarus_smokes : This is some of the most astonishing revisionism I've yet encountered. It's the natural consequence of having a theistic system that rejects any other source of input as being untenable and unacceptable, further exaccerbated by the emphasis on unquestioning enthusiasm over rational thought. Thank you, boss, for making it clear that there is something far more irritating than an uneducated Christian.
     boss_from_london : One can find Detailed Description of "Special DONKEY" in Islamic TRADITIONS that survives on FIRE and people TRAVEL INSIDE THE TUMMY OF that donkey>>> Aero Plane<<<
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:05:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : LMAO, boss, give it up.
     oni_koneko_damien : Boss, 'aero planes' don't survive on fire.
     boss_from_london : Icarus you cant seem to take Rejection, learn to do that ur life will be much easier
     celtics_win : Jesus is God
     boss_from_london : Boss :))
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:06:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Neither are the donkies, nor related to donkies in any but the vaguest ways.
     celtics_win : Jesus is the truth
     oni_koneko_damien : In fact, airplanes could be said to be more of a refute of that rather vague prophecy than a fulfillment of it.
     deirdreofsorrows1 : or damien
     icarus_smokes : By this argument, Quetzlcouatl was a prophetic foretelling of the ICBM
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:07:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     theophrenie : « celtics, Peter Pan is the truth and Harry Potter too, only a fools says no.
     boss_from_london : Agnostics are in a better position relative to Atheists
     boss_from_london : They at least say "we r not sure about God's existence"
     oni_koneko_damien : Boss, er, agnostics are not a seperate group from atheists.
     celtics_win : Jesus loves all
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:08:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     boss_from_london : While Atheists insist on Non-existence of God, thats injudicious
     oni_koneko_damien : Boss, actually, agnostics say 'if there is a deity, he/she/it is unprovable'.
     oni_koneko_damien : Boss, atheists do no such thing.
     theophrenie : « celtics, ' love me more.
     icarus_smokes : Injudicious? Sweet mother of gouda
     salient2 : boss_from_london: -- actually many atheists make no such claim, you don't know what an atheist is either I see
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:09:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Seems Boss realized he was sorely out-gunned in the field of prophecy, and so resorts to the most abused strawmen about agnostics and atheists.
     boss_from_london : Icarus doesnt really make sense he just have a passion for words
     icarus_smokes : I'm in serious doubt as to your apprehension of the meaning of the word, boss. Unfair? Your object to atheism is that it's UNFAIR?
     boss_from_london : Thats what an ATHEIST mean u fool
     boss_from_london : Dont tell me what an atheist claims
     oni_koneko_damien : Boss, I AM AN ATHEIST, I know what I claim far better than you ever would.
     boss_from_london : I was presenting the definition of an ATHEIST as opposed to an AGNOSTIC
     oni_koneko_damien : Boss, you don't know the definition of either.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:10:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     salient2 : boss_from_london: You are truely an idiot
     boss_from_london : You guys love to negate others but with FOOLISH sentences, stupid and idiotic arguments
     boss_from_london : You make a fool out of urself very nicely and squarely in my eyes
     boss_from_london : lol
     boss_from_london : \:d/
     oni_koneko_damien : Boss, er, how, all I've done is point out your rather glaring errors.
     celtics_win : Jesus is the power
     poeticheterosapien : If I am a fool in the eyes of a Muslim fundamentalist, then my life is on the right track!
     theophrenie : « Calling people fools is validating us. hypocrits need to be ignored.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:11:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     boss_from_london : Salient, you still mad at me for bringing out the real you? for exposing your true black and white colours, for unfolding the Delusional individual that lives in your head, mr SALIENT? what is the matter hmm u still cant forget?
     boss_from_london : lol
     oni_koneko_damien : Boss, if showing your mistakes to you constitutes making me a fool in your eyes, that's your own problem, not mine.
     poeticheterosapien : Salient - Boss has reminded me that I actually dislike Muslim fundamentalists even less than I like Christian ones!
     oni_koneko_damien : Boss, er, you haven't drawn anything out of salient except maybe a little sarcasm.
     boss_from_london : I am in an Hostile Terrority, you guys will be forgiven for Forming a "DISHONEST COALITION" against me
     zsa_zsa_galore2002 : boss brings a song to mind.
     zsa_zsa_galore2002 : A SS HO LE
     celtics_win : Jesus is the truth
     icarus_smokes : Then I would suggest that while you brush up on your understanding of the English language and theological method, that you get your eyes checked as well. There are a number of conditions that inhibit both cognitive functioning and eyesight. You should consult a physician regarding this problem, boss.
     oni_koneko_damien : Boss, look, martyr-complexes don't work in here.
     boss_from_london : You guys dribble Intellectual Dishonest all over the place, like a Camel in desert dribbles his Spit
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:12:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     boss_from_london : lol
     salient2 : waytoomuchof: Actually when I lived in saudi arabia I had many muslim friends, You shouldn't assume they are all as dishonest as this idiot
     oni_koneko_damien : If you really wanted to sacrifice yourself this much, why don't you be a christian?
     theophrenie : « watch itm, Boss may have an RPG somewhere.
     poeticheterosapien : Boss - you have no right to call anyone in here intellectually dishonest. I'll bet you can't even tell me who the three goddesses were who accompanied Al'lah before the reformations of Mohammad.
     boss_from_london : Again Icarus, that didnt mean anything to me duhh
     boss_from_london : \:d/
     indondasani : has a bunch of RPG's, himself. Very high-quality.
     zsa_zsa_galore2002 : A SS HO LE
     oni_koneko_damien : Boss, you have about three posts to start actually replying to people, or I will iggy you for preaching.
     icarus_smokes : If his accuracy with firearms matches that with language, we have nothing to worry about.
     boss_from_london : Icarus takes his time to type two lines, but ends up making no sense
     poeticheterosapien : Ken - why don't you talk with Boss here about prophecy. He's been busy telling us how the Qur'an, is the one with all the REAL prophecy! heh
     boss_from_london : lol
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:13:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     waytoomuchof : I'm not afraid of his dishonesty, I'm afraid of his devotion to what he believes. He'd probably kill me as an infidel if he met me on the street
     celtics_win : Jesus lived in peace, he was always suffering but he was always at peace, he truly lived, so when he died it was gain
     boss_from_london : I am fun? kool
     oni_koneko_damien : Poet, oh what I would give to see boss and ken go at it.
     boss_from_london : AT LEAST someone thinks of me as Funny
     theophrenie : « tannar, Boss may be dangerous
     boss_from_london : \:d/
     icarus_smokes : I can't take responsibility for your failure to comprehend. I'll light a candle to St. Spinoza for you, boss.
     oni_koneko_damien : Boss, you're funny because of your multiple lies, your cowardice, and your unwillingness to listen.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:14:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : It's a temporary humour, often followed by an iggy.
     boss_from_london : Icarus, Christians say they will pray to jesus for me LOL u aint that different
     celtics_win : Jesus lives in on the hearts of all who beleive in his love, he loves all, but not all come when they are called do not be stubborn, come to Jesus, he will take your burden
     theophrenie : « boss, go fly on your Winged Donkey:)
     boss_from_london : ok im starving now, i gotta take a lilllll break and make me something to munch on
     poeticheterosapien : Come on boss... can't you name the three goddesses of the Arab people, who ruled with Al'lah, prior to the Muhammadean reformation?!
     boss_from_london : brrb
     oni_koneko_damien : Celtics, stop preaching.
     icarus_smokes : The truly amusing thing, boss, is that you seem to think you have the slightest understanding of where I sit on the AvC line.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:15:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     icarus_smokes : Still, it's a damn shame. That spinoza bit wasn't too bad.
     celtics_win : Jesus loves us all and died for all, dont be stubborn, listen to him, he will give you rest from your work
     oni_koneko_damien : Celtics, STOP PREACHING, this is your last warning.
     celtics_win : Jesus loves
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:16:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     goddess_goldberry : celtics... hi :X
     theophrenie : « celtics, I don't need a savior, get over it.
     icarus_smokes : I didn't even get a chance to discusss Muhammad's fascination with raisans... :((
     oni_koneko_damien : Celtics, you have failed your god, you will now be iggied and lose a potential convert.
     goddess_goldberry : celtics.. that is so sweet.. but Odin wants you to join him in Valhalla
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:17:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     salient2 : celtics_win: Sorry I may listen but I don't hear anything, Does Jesus look like a duck and go quack? otherwise I don't hear him.
     goddess_goldberry : celtics.. jesus is dead.. dead people can't love
     zsa_zsa_galore2002 : wonders why I should be impressed a dead jew supposedly loves me.
     goddess_goldberry : celtics.. what makes you think so?
     The_Ambassador_in_Bonds : indondasani: Nobody said anything regarding change, nor does the definition of patriotism have anything to do with "change."
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:18:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     goddess_goldberry : Magenta sees all
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:19:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     goddess_goldberry : celtic... there is no evidence for jesus
     goddess_goldberry : celtic..is god = jesus?
     higgs_boson2001 : celtic, Jesus did not give his life for me.
     goddess_goldberry : celtics.. does god = jesus?
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:20:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     goddess_goldberry : celtic.. this is a yes or no answer
     oni_koneko_damien : is back.
     goddess_goldberry : is god jesus?
     goddess_goldberry : are they one in the same?
     oni_koneko_damien : Has celtic stopped preaching?
     goddess_goldberry : ahh.. but god created evil
     goddess_goldberry : so how can god be love?
     goddess_goldberry : why would love create evil?
     oni_koneko_damien : I'll take that as a no.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:21:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     goddess_goldberry : celtic.. god destroyed himself?
     goddess_goldberry : death is evil?
     goddess_goldberry : celtics.. but is death evil?
     goddess_goldberry : and don't forget.. god created evil
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:22:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     goddess_goldberry : celtic.. how can one appreciate life if it never ends?
     oni_koneko_damien : Celtic is the classic iggyable preacher, they come in here with twenty lines ready to cut and paste, and they don't answer a single question during their whole session.
     tannar_darr : >goldie death before God calls it is evil, it warps his will.
     goddess_goldberry : who is a bit idiotic right now
     tannar_darr : >goldie well hell, I thought I could have some fun.
     zsa_zsa_galore2002 : How does an eternal being die?
     goddess_goldberry : lol tannar
     goddess_goldberry : i am bored
     goddess_goldberry : want to have fun.. make up a topic
     goddess_goldberry : celtic.. i don't see death like that
     goddess_goldberry : and it is sad that you do
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:23:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     goddess_goldberry : death is just the circle of life.. it is what must be
     oni_koneko_damien : Goldie, is celtic actually responding to you, or are you just responding to each of his cut-and-paste lines?
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:24:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     goddess_goldberry : damien.. and fear., i haven't decided yet
     oni_koneko_damien : Would someone tell Ken that every fossil is a transitional.
     goddess_goldberry : he doesn't get very deep does he?
     oni_koneko_damien : Goddess, I tried engaging him, but had to iggy him after about five posts for preaching.
     munkey_atheist : mmm chilly cheese dip.
     goddess_goldberry : domien.. i am about that close
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:25:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : And the way you're responding, it doesn't look like he's giving your posts a single glance before moving to his next bleating subject.
     goddess_goldberry : damien.. i think so
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:26:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     goddess_goldberry : celtics.. then i am dead.. why are you talking to a dead person?
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:27:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:28:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:29:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : watches Tannar take on the Borg sheep unit.
     oni_koneko_damien : Tannar, I doubt he'll ever reply to you.
     oni_koneko_damien : Fifteen posts later, when you iggy him, just remember I said that.
     oni_koneko_damien : feels snooty and all superior now.
     goddess_goldberry : right now, you have to say, there is a concept of god, but it cannot be proved. thus every theory based on the foundation of god is a fallacy, until god is proven
     tannar_darr : celitics isn't really talking to anyone is he... he's just talking.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:30:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     teacher21.geo : here is an idea
     teacher21.geo : we are proof of God
     goddess_goldberry : tannar. yep.. idiot
     teacher21.geo : very simple
     oni_koneko_damien : Tannar, told you so.
     oni_koneko_damien : Tannar, I tried him first, then Goldie, now you.
     goddess_goldberry : teacher.. and i am proof of invisible purple aliens
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:31:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     teacher21.geo : first of all
     teacher21.geo : you have awarness of your life
     higgs_boson2001 : teacher, that is circular reasoning.
     goddess_goldberry : teacher.. so does a bug
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, not all people do.
     teacher21.geo : exactly
     oni_koneko_damien : Then again, people are not the only organisms who have awareness of their lives either.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:32:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     goddess_goldberry : teacher.. what is your point?
     goddess_goldberry : one has to be aware of life, so that they can avoid being dead
     teacher21.geo : my point is, that proves GOD
     teacher21.geo : .
     goddess_goldberry : it is simply survival
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, non-sequitar.
     teacher21.geo : proof of God
     goddess_goldberry : teacher.. no, it doesn't
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, self awareness proves nothing but self awareness.
     goddess_goldberry : teacher.. do flys coming out of chicken soup prove flys are born from old chicken soup?
     teacher21.geo : goldberry before you reject a theory, please take some time to think about it... or you might make a mistake
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:33:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : thinks he might have a ripe one for gremlin.net.
     goddess_goldberry : teacher.. your theory is based on a fallacy
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, we've thought it through, it doesn't take much thinking about.
     teacher21.geo : goddess you have awarness of life
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, it's a non-sequitar, otherwise known as a logical fallacy.
     goddess_goldberry : you cannot assume what is proof of a god, when you cannot prove a god by objective means
     teacher21.geo : it's based on human awarness
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:34:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     goddess_goldberry : basically, you are trying to assume what god controls, even when you can't prove that god exists
     teacher21.geo : and before you reject it, think about it
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, humans are not the only organisms aware of themselves, and not all humans are aware of themselves.
     goddess_goldberry : teacher.. i did.. it is a fallacy
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, we already did think about it, it's an old non-argument.
     teacher21.geo : my theory is not based on god, but on human life
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. i can just as easly say "self awarness is proof of alien intervention in the human lineage"
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, and it's completely non-sequitar, in proves nothing except that some creatures have self-awareness.
     teacher21.geo : life proves God
     teacher21.geo : .
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:35:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, no, life proves life.
     goddess_goldberry : self awareness is proof of magical purple unicorns that visit earth from pluto
     oni_koneko_damien : And what does this have to do with whole self-awareness angle?
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:36:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     teacher21.geo : God
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:37:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     teacher21.geo : stop saying there is no proof of God
     teacher21.geo : goldberrry
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, we never said that.
     oni_koneko_damien : Although at the moment, it is true.
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. i said that life is not proof of god, because you cannot prove that god is responisble for life
     salient2 : teacher21.geo: you obviously don't know what a proof is
     oni_koneko_damien : Proofs are for math.
     goddess_goldberry : you cannot see an effect, and assume the cause...
     goddess_goldberry : lol damien.. good point
     teacher21.geo : goddess your not looking deep enough into life
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:38:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     teacher21.geo : my cause is life, and from like we learn the effect
     shades_fury : proof involves something measureable, defineable, observable... a divine being is none of these things
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, you're not making any kind of sense.
     teacher21.geo : God
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. there is no invisiable being controling life..
     teacher21.geo : goddess life PROVES God
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, the only thing life causes is A)More life, and B) Increased disorder outside life.
     teacher21.geo : Onii life creates life
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, non-sequitar until you explain HOW>
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. prove that god is responsible for life
     goddess_goldberry : find a god.. and prove it
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:39:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     teacher21.geo : concience creates consience
     goddess_goldberry : because right now.. this is just assumption
     teacher21.geo : goddess life proves God
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, no it doesn't.
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. no.. life proves life
     teacher21.geo : GODDESS WHY ARE YOU SO HARD HEADED
     goddess_goldberry : you are assuming
     oni_koneko_damien : Unless you plan on explaining HOW.
     salient2 : a proof consists of a series of statements which follow from each other using logic.
     goddess_goldberry : that isn't good scinece
     teacher21.geo : YOUR SO STUBBORN
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, goddess in not hard-headed, you're just being an idiot.
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. because you are not following the scientifc method..
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, how is goddess being stubborn?
     goddess_goldberry : you need to learn how to think logically, not assume how everything works
     oni_koneko_damien : You say 'a proves b' and REFUSE to explain how. Who's being stubborn?
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:40:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     teacher21.geo : 1+1=
     ondoher1 : teacher21.geo is NOT worth listening to
     goddess_goldberry : damien.. not only that.. the attributes of "b" are unknown
     oni_koneko_damien : Goddess, unknown, undefined, whatever you want to add to it.
     goddess_goldberry : you cannot assume what "b" is even responsible for, until you can prove what "b" is capable of
     teacher21.geo : what goddess
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:41:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     teacher21.geo : 1+1=
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. 1 is an agreed upon concept. .it is not unknown like a god
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, what is 1?
     teacher21.geo : goddess
     teacher21.geo : answer the question
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, not until you define what 1 is.
     teacher21.geo : 2
     knight_of_baawa : 1 is unit. Single
     goddess_goldberry : now. .a true equation would be 1=x, with out explaining x
     goddess_goldberry : no, because you are not following logic
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:42:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     teacher21.geo : your equation is not relevent to human life
     goddess_goldberry : god is undefined.. he cannot be represented by a defined number
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, and like goddess said, 1+1 is nothing like a proves b.
     teacher21.geo : human life proves a conscience God
     teacher21.geo : .
     teacher21.geo : easily too
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, your mathematical statement is not relevant to your non-argument.
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, HOW?
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. 1 is life.. it is known... x is god. .it is unknown. .it has qualitys we cannot prove. .infact, its whole existance is unknown
     teacher21.geo : goddess but you forget we have 1
     goddess_goldberry : now.. 1=x, show me the equation for x
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:43:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     teacher21.geo : 1=x
     teacher21.geo : over
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, what is 'x' then?
     teacher21.geo : 1
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. doesn't matter.. you still can't assume that all x's =1, until you define how you got to 1=x
     teacher21.geo : and we are proof of God
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, you have just proven OUR point.
     teacher21.geo : sorry
     teacher21.geo : your HARD
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. you are illogical
     teacher21.geo : YOUR MIND IS HARDENED AND WIRED TO REJECT GOD
     oni_koneko_damien : 1=x is the same as 1=1, so likewise, life proving 'x' is the same as life proving life.
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, wired to reject god?
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:44:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Are you saying atheism is a genetic trait?
     oni_koneko_damien : Care to show us the scientific and medical studies to prove that?
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. yes.. i am wired for logic.. your statement is illogical.. thus i reject it
     teacher21.geo : explore yourself GODDESS
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:45:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. i do.. every night
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, she more than likely has.
     oni_koneko_damien : I know I do.
     goddess_goldberry : but .. in looking "deep" inside myself.. i see no "god"
     teacher21.geo : goddess excellent and at this rate you'll find out when you DIE
     oni_koneko_damien : Which is one of the reasons I'm pretty sure there is no god, at least within me.
     goddess_goldberry : no unknown quaility that i can't explain
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, is that a threat?
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. that is fine
     salient2 : teacher21.geo: You don't even know what a proof is
     teacher21.geo : goddess your wired to reject God and call that logic
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, wired to reject god?
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:46:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Are you saying atheism is a genetic trait?
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. if you say i am wired to reject god.. and god is the one who made me.. did god wire me to reject him?
     oni_koneko_damien : Care to show us the scientific and medical studies to prove that?
     goddess_goldberry : <-- just following your logic there
     oni_koneko_damien : giggles at goldie.
     oni_koneko_damien : Nice one.
     goddess_goldberry : thank you
     goddess_goldberry : hubby is giggling over here too
     goddess_goldberry : and getting turned on my by use of logic
     goddess_goldberry : silly physist
     teacher21.geo : and your being assaulted GODDESS
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:47:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     goddess_goldberry : fear.. innane quotes don't help your point
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, um, no she isn't.
     goddess_goldberry : assaulted?
     goddess_goldberry : by whom?
     teacher21.geo : Oni speak for yourself
     goddess_goldberry : lol fear..
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, okay, no I'm not, and I'm still pretty sure she isn't.
     goddess_goldberry : <-- assaults damien
     oni_koneko_damien : Because if she were, she would hardly have the time to type away at a keyboard.
     oni_koneko_damien : loves it.
     marco1_22191 : when I look at a pen.....it looks like something I can see that was made by man...its shape...its form...its function...nobody in their right mind finding this a melenia from now would not say man made this....
     goddess_goldberry : lol
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:48:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     teacher21.geo : goldberry I believe that your being used
     goddess_goldberry : marco.. only because i can FIND A FACTORY AND SEE MAN MAKING IT
     goddess_goldberry : i do not find a tree.. and say "wow.. god must have made this. .because i saw in a god factory where god was making this"
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, er, by who? When? Where? By what means? Under what threat?
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. ohhh do tell, who is using me?
     salient2 : marco1_22191: I didn't see an argument about the origin of pens, did you?
     teacher21.geo : agreed?
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:49:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     teacher21.geo : life
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, agreed on what?
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. tell me.. who is using me and assaulting me
     teacher21.geo : you see the tree is alive
     goddess_goldberry : i am on the edge of my seat..
     goddess_goldberry : lol
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. so?
     teacher21.geo : goddess that's a mystery
     goddess_goldberry : no.. it isn't
     teacher21.geo : sounds like your being used by a power
     marco1_22191 : when u look at the moon and its distamce from the earth...its perfect....farther away and no tides= no life on planet earth....closer and there would be tides that would flood everything twice a day....
     oni_koneko_damien : LMAO, goldie, in other words, he doesn't have a fucking clue.
     goddess_goldberry : i have 3 yrs of advanced biology.. life is not a mystery
     teacher21.geo : trees are alive
     goddess_goldberry : power?
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, not dead trees.
     goddess_goldberry : an.. ohhh dare i say it.. an EVIL power
     knight_of_baawa : marco, the distance from the earth and moon was never constant
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:50:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     knight_of_baawa : idiot
     teacher21.geo : you find this funny goddess
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, millions of years ago, the moon was much closer to earth, the earth did just fine.
     hump_affliction : what the hell is your point marco
     knight_of_baawa : So much for your "everything is perfect, therefore god exists" bullshit
     goddess_goldberry : teach. yes.. i find your avoidance and illogical attitude funny
     oni_koneko_damien : Teacher, well, your willfull ignorance is quite amusing.
     marco1_22191 : the earths distance from the sun is perfect.....much farther out or much closer and life could not exist...
     hump_affliction : whats your point marco
     hump_affliction : we arent even sure if life could exist on mars, so your argument is shaky
     goddess_goldberry : macro.. and????
     marco1_22191 : knight....slight fluxuations
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, actually life probably would have existed, just under vastly different terms.
     salient2 : marco1_22191: The tidal force varies as the inverse cube of the distance, we would be fine withing a huge range of moon distances, or indeed even if we didn't have a moon at all.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:51:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     knight_of_baawa : and marco is ignored for using the "everything is perfect, therefore god exists" refuted to death argument
     goddess_goldberry : macro.. life will exist pretty much anywhere
     goddess_goldberry : venus - mars is the "life capable ring"
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:52:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     goddess_goldberry : teach.. trouble typing?
     oni_koneko_damien : Goldie, not even that, it's the 'life as we know it' capable ring.
     goddess_goldberry : damien.. true.. there could be life just not based on carbons
     salient2 : marco nonsense life on earth could exist over much of the range between mars and venus
     goddess_goldberry : silica life is an interesting subject
     goddess_goldberry : esp the connection with silcon based life merging with carbon life
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:53:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Goldie, er, did we scare teacher?
     goddess_goldberry : i think so
     salient2 : putting teacher on ignore, I can't take this anymore
     oni_koneko_damien : I was actually hoping for more from him, I need a transcript for gremlin.net.
     goddess_goldberry : they are prob. consulting the "watch tower 911"
     oni_koneko_damien : Salient, did he retreat to voice?
     goddess_goldberry : i don't see anyone on voice
     marco1_22191 : when water evaporates from a salty ocean and brings us fresh rain ....which is perfect for life and when plants give off oxygen and we give off carbon dioxide.....it all rounds ou beyond anything that could be by chance...its many signs that there is a creator
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:54:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, life adapted to these conditions, not the other way around.
     self_interest1 : marco, think about it this way.. if life didn't form that sort of equilibrium, you probably wouldn't BE here to wonder about it
     oni_koneko_damien : It's 'perfect' for life because life e-vol-ved to those conditions.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:55:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     teacher21.geo : do you guys get off on this?
     marco1_22191 : out of all the choices "random" has to take it is impossible for all these correct choices to be "by chance"
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:56:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, if the earth is so 'perfect' for life, why was the earth's atmosphere so poisonous to most life until large amounts of plants and blue-green algae evolved and started converting it to oxygen?
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, it's called natural selection, look it up sometime.
     marco1_22191 : grade school math says that it is easier to throw a box of computer parts off a bridge and become windows 98 than life as we know it to just evolve
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, you have absolutely no understanding of evolution if you believe that.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:57:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : And I would love to see the grade-school math book that says this.
     marco1_22191 : with no human there Oni I can only believe you are specuilating
     salient2 : marco --- Evolution is not random nor does it operate by chance. Natural Selection preserves the gains and eradicates the mistakes.
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, it's called fossilization.
     oni_koneko_damien : It's also called deductive science.
     salient2 : teacher said the most stupid statement I have heard in here this year
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:58:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, police forensics units operate off the same basis.
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, if your implication were true, over half the jailed criminals in today's society would go free due to lack of eyewitnesses.
     marco1_22191 : what it really boils down to is I dont or can't believe in a creator [for whatever reason] so I must grab onto evolution...isnt that it in a nutshell?
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:59:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, when did ANY of us say that/
     oni_koneko_damien : ?
     zsa_zsa_galore2002 : Isn't that what you do, marco?
     salient2 : teacher is trying to win the most moronic statement of the year award, and doing a good job
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, a majority of christians accept evolution as a fact.
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, evolution and theism are not mutually exclusive.
     marco1_22191 : but itsnt that the what it boils down to?
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, no, it isn't what it boils down to.
     oni_koneko_damien : If you actually read my posts, you would have seen that already.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:00:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     marco1_22191 : Oni...a majority of christians I know believe in creation...not evolution...dont know where u come from
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive either.
     marco1_22191 : Oni...Ive been here 5 minutes. How could I read your posts past that?
     indondasani : notes that a majority of christians adhere to evolution just fine.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:01:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, I can see you seriously need to research your topics before exposing your ignorance on them by your moronic claims.
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, the fact is, the assertion that it's either christianity of evolution, is false, due to the huge number of christians who also believe in evolution.
     marco1_22191 : Oni....I can swin in this room and say whatever I think....calling me ignorant and moronic dont mean a thing to me or prove anything
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:02:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, you're right, it doesn't prove anything, until I show how you're moronic and where you keep screwing up.
     oni_koneko_damien : Which I have before, and if you would like, I could pull up the quotes to substanciate it, mine and yours.
     marco1_22191 : why say god dam when u dont believe in god....do you feel muniplated?
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:03:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, it's a cultural cliche.
     oni_koneko_damien : People still say 'by Jove' yet they don't believe in the Greek Pantheon.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:04:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Did I scare marco, or is there a five line post coming up?
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:05:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:06:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     marco1_22191 : no ONI...Im just listening
     oni_koneko_damien : Damn it, why'd marco have to get scared? I need a transcript for gremlin.net.
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, please, continue making claims on subjects you have no knowledge about, you were doing great.
     marco1_22191 : why would you think i would be scared?
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, that small stain on the front of your pants.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:07:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     marco1_22191 : i didnt know i was in a room full of phd's in every science known to man
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, actually I'm only a high school grad.
     oni_koneko_damien : But goldie has three years in biology.
     oni_koneko_damien : Gremlin, if he were here, is a vertebrate paleontologist.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:08:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Hunter is a Virologist.
     oni_koneko_damien : And I believe we have several others here.
     marco1_22191 : Oni....believe it or not...there are multiple millions who believe like I do....I dont believe Im a small minorty of ignorance to be "educated"
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:09:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, and your census polls to back that statement up?
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:10:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:11:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:12:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     marco1_22191 : I was waiting for ONI to come back with some mind altering statment to show me i have been a fool for decades......lol
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:13:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, er, to what? You haven't said anything.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:14:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : By the way, here's a little something on evolution and how 'chance' works within it.
     oni_koneko_damien : http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/foster9.html
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:15:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:16:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:17:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:18:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:19:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:20:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:21:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:22:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:23:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     marco1_22191 : it sure seems that every atheist I have ever know knows more about the bible than everybody.....if god doesnt exist, which of course is what you people believe, why go to such pains to try to discredit the bible?...I would think a non believer would just sit back and laugh...but noooooooo. Christ must be awful scary to be attacked so much
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, once again you lie.
     oni_koneko_damien : There are very few of us who hold the positive belief that no gods exist.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:24:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     marco1_22191 : Oni.....a teenager just out of high school hardely carries a wordly opinion I care to hear
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, actually the only reason we 'go through such pains' to discredit the bible is because we often have it shoved in our faces by christians.
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, so whether or not my arguments are valid, because of my official education level, you won't consider them?
     oni_koneko_damien : Seems a bit close-minded of you.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:25:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     marco1_22191 : jesus has been proven by non believers to exist...its whether he is the messiah is in dispute by some....good bye
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, actually Jesus has not been proven.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:26:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     marco1_22191 : how dare you....:)):))
     oni_koneko_damien : All we have are the gospels, and a couple phrases (which look as if they're later additions) in some books written well after the times.
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, um, how dare I what/
     oni_koneko_damien : ?
     marco1_22191 : oni...do u have your ears on?
     marco1_22191 : i commented on anothjer speaker
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, you don't need ears to see posts.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:27:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:28:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     marco1_22191 : well its time for bed...i havent been here for over a year and dont worry....its still full of hate and rage.....no change....can only take it for a few minutes....later
     oni_koneko_damien : Marco, er, what hate and rage?
     oni_koneko_damien : I love it when fundies run out of argument, and thus say we're 'angry'.
     LOG DATA Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:30:23 oni_koneko_damien, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     oni_koneko_damien : How can I be angry when I've got

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