scifinbible : mnich ,, u right ,, science use to say the earth is flat ,,, even after the pyramids were built with knowledge about universe
     demiurge_nt : scifi: SCIENCE never stated the earth was flat...RELIGION did
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Revelations 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Four corners, sounds like a flat square to me.
     deadman_932 : scifi is kinda ...well, let's just say UNTRUTHFUL and LYING
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:01:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     scifinbible : Demi ,, nevertheless that idea was embraced by then science ,, and so is the idea of apocalypse embraced by the today science
     diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scifi: what apocalypse?
     demiurge_nt : I've only been here a few minutes, yet scifi has been dishonest TWICE already
     Summisse_Eloquens : hmm
     Summisse_Eloquens :      scifinbible : yes deadman i lie that there was a time when everybody knew the earth was flat ,,
     deadman_932 : scifi..don't you think your little god will punish you for LYING so flagrantly?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, now you've gone completely off the charts as far as lying goes.
     deadman_932 : scifi, actually, yes, you are
     Summisse_Eloquens : But I haven't seen it say outright that the earth is flat.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:02:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     Summisse_Eloquens : I have however seen it say outright that the sun goes around the earth.
     Summisse_Eloquens : That's something.
     demiurge_nt : scifi: Yes, because anyone who said otherwise was punished as a heretic by the Church
     deadman_932 : the GREEKS knew it was round, idiot
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, so 'everybody' is science?
     scifinbible : well synope ,, since most people don't care to read the bible ,, some who do ,, use the revelation to explain the end of the earth ,,
     indondasani : notes that greeks and egyptians knew it was round.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Once again you get caught in another lie.
     deadman_932 : demosthenes
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, and what does revelations have to do with science?
     indondasani : and that during the dark ages in europe, the scholars of the islamic empire knew it was round.
     deadman_932 : scifi, you just lied without a blink
     deadman_932 : that says a great deal about you
     scifinbible : Demi ,, u right for a while church was the only education giver
     diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scifi: :)) and if they only took a few hours researching that book would come to find it has NOTHING TO DO WITH TODAY OR THE FUTURE
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:03:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     indondasani : in fact, I do believe the muslim scientists had a different proof than the greeks used.
     demiurge_nt : scifi: LOL....some education!!! :))
     damien_the_demon_kitty : You said, "and so is the idea of apocalypse embraced by the today science"...what the fuck do you mean by this?
     Summisse_Eloquens : Book of revelation..has nothing to do with anything in my opinion.
     Summisse_Eloquens : *smacksDiogenes*
     indondasani : one based on the phases of the moon rather than measuring solar angles.
     scifinbible : ok deadman ,, nobody ever believed that the earth was flat lol u just love personal atacks
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, you just lied yet again.
     demiurge_nt : scifi: Why was Galileo imprisoned?
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:04:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     deadman_932 : scifi..i never said that either
     scifinbible : Demi ,, u right ,,, but before church accepted to teach children to write there was no education for the low class ,,
     indondasani : I guess science saying that the sun will eventually envelop the earth as it expands, many billions of years from now, is kinda like an apocalypse.
     deadman_932 : scifinbible: yes deadman i lie that there was a time when everybody knew the earth was flat ,,
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, because the church denied any education.
     diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scifi: :)) it wasn't the church
     scifinbible : Demi ,, the church had great interest to teach the low class ,,
     Summisse_Eloquens : Radardog: Don't tease a desperate female..it's not nice.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:05:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     demiurge_nt : scifi: Your dishonesty isn't helping your credibility in this room....I suggest a different tactic. :)
     deadman_932 : scifi, latin and writing were forbidden to the lower classes
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, yeah, that's because the lower class composed the greatest part of their Crusades.
     scifinbible : kitty read again ,, first printing places were done in europe by erasmus ,, in the idea to spread the bible
     damien_the_demon_kitty : The churches required the bible be written only in Latin just so the lower classes wouldn't understand it.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Yup, very interested in education they were.
     deadman_932 : "erasmus?"
     deadman_932 : try gutenburg
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:06:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     radardog : Luther translated the bible into Deutsch. :)
     scifinbible : yes deadman ,, the first printery for the low class
     damien_the_demon_kitty : LMAO, scifi, you can't even get the inventor of the printing press right.
     deadman_932 : scifi, you're just totally full of shit
     scifinbible : kitty i wasn't talking about inventor i was talking about the idea of spreading education to low class
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:07:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     scifinbible : he was in rotherdam Dasani ,, maybe he was greek lol
     damien_the_demon_kitty : http://www.ciger.be/erasmus/ <-----"His best known work is the Praise of folly that he wrote on his way back from Italy, a pamphlet mainly directed against the behavior of ruling classes and church dignitaries while exposing the irony of mankind's vanities. "
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Yeah, he sounds like he was right in league with the church.
     indondasani : damien; ah.
     demiurge_nt : scifi: The first Latin Bible (the Vulgate) was condemned by the Church because it allowed the common people to actually READ the Bible
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:08:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : A little more on how Erasmus was a close pal with the church...
     diogenes_of_synope_2003 : demi: and your source for that statement?
     scifinbible : Demi u right ,, in fact the church used to kill the low class people mostly women who dared to read the bible
     damien_the_demon_kitty : "He devoted himself to: the revision of Christian traditions, fighting for a clearer and more humane approach of religion,
     demiurge_nt : Why do fundamentalism and illiteracy go hand in hand?
     radardog : Look at it this way, as soon as the common man was allowed to read the bible, without formal theological/philosophical training, many different sects of christianity was formed.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:09:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     radardog : *were formed
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Okay, scifi, quit trolling. Seriously, it's quite the pathetic spectacle.
     scifinbible : rad ,, that is a key observation ,, indeed that lead to the new culture
     diogenes_of_synope_2003 : radar: not quite true
     Summisse_Eloquens : Is scifi Ken? Just curious...
     scifinbible : kitty do u not know how to use the iggy ,, i could explain lol
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:10:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Summisse, dunno, I haven't seen any of the classic 'Kenisms' yet.
     indondasani : dio; well, there were what? 2 groups of christianity before protestantism arose?
     indondasani : what, rather.
     scifinbible : Sum ,, ken who ?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, why would I iggy you?
     Summisse_Eloquens : Scifinbible: Nevermind ...
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, and should I take that as an admission that you're actually trolling?
     scifinbible : kitty why should u bother your life with my ideas ,, since seems the truth bothers u a lot
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:11:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     deadman_932 : summisse: believe it or not, scifi is a female
     Summisse_Eloquens : Scifinbible: Truth?
     Summisse_Eloquens : Joseph: I can believe it. *smiels*
     Summisse_Eloquens : *smiles*
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, what truth? All you've done is try to make assumptions about what I think, tell lies about me, and make unrelated, baseless assertions.
     deadman_932 : a female that is always wrong
     damien_the_demon_kitty : I ask again, what truth?
     deadman_932 : well, almost always
     scifinbible : deadman how would u know that ? what if i just had sex exchange ?
     Summisse_Eloquens : Joseph: I hadn't been paying that much attentino but from the response I was wondering if ti were possible that it were Ken...
     deadman_932 : scifi, i realllllllllly don't care
     Summisse_Eloquens : *it
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:12:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     scifinbible : kitty ,, u on the other hand said nothing ,, only kep hanging in my hair
     deadman_932 : neh, summisse, scifi is indian or paki or some shit
     deadman_932 : probably indian
     Summisse_Eloquens : Joseph: Oh okies.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, yet another lie.
     self_interest1 : Kitty, hmm, no, I don't think so
     scifinbible : deadman yet ,, u are the one who presents the gender
     damien_the_demon_kitty : I haven't had to say much though, it doesn't take much to dismantle your dishonesty.
     demiurge_nt : I actually like scifinbible...I just wish she didn't feel the need to resort to dishonesty.
     scifinbible : kitty look at your posts
     deadman_932 : scifi, suck my "gender"
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, I do all the time, it's called a 'log'.
     scifinbible : Demi ,, could it be that u misnderstood what i said ?
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:13:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, I doubt it, you haven't said much.
     scifinbible : hmm nobody wants to talk a serious topic only to call names or try to figure out the genders
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Of course you lied about me, and you made unfounded assumptions about what I think, but you did that all in one post.
     demiurge_nt : scifi: Nope! Like some others in here, I also log the chat....putting words into others' mouths is dishonest.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:14:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, when you stop lying, we'll talk.
     scifinbible : Demi ,, could u give me an example ?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, I'll give you an example.
     demiurge_nt : scifi: Sure!! Here's the first one I saw--->scifinbible: kitty u said yourself there is no supranatural ,, ,, yet science says there is plenty of unexplained phenomenon
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:15:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     scifinbible : yes kitty i know u will ,, u keep hanging in my hair lol
     damien_the_demon_kitty : scifinbible : Demi ,, nevertheless that idea was embraced by then science ,, and so is the idea of apocalypse embraced by the today science <-----Lie.
     scifinbible : Demi ,, where seems dishonest to u ?
     demiurge_nt : scifi: So now that we've established (and proven) your dishonesty, care to tell us why?
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:16:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : scifinbible : kitty u said yourself there is no supranatural ,, ,, yet science says there is plenty of unexplained phenomenon <-----Lie, and putting words in my mouth.
     indondasani : demi; wouldn't establishing and proving be the same thing?
     demiurge_nt : indon: Not necessarily
     damien_the_demon_kitty : scifinbible : kitty ,, to u will never be coherent ,, because u think natural is only what u can see and touch <----Lie, and making assumptions about what I think.
     demiurge_nt : indon: Establishing a premise does not necessarily prove it
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, care to explain those posts?
     indondasani : ah, a good point.
     scifinbible : kitty read the treasury of math astonomy and physics ,, they present the end of the world as scientific fact ,, yet they say there is no clear sign of a beginning or and end
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:17:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, what would that have to do with some sort of 'apocolypse'?
     demiurge_nt : and AGAIN scifi resorts to lies 8-|
     deadman_932 : scifinbible: kitty read again ,, first printing places were done in europe by erasmus ,, in the idea to spread the bible <<<--------- also a lie
     indondasani : was not aware math had a "treasury".
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, spit what out? I've already given THREE quotes of you lying.
     demiurge_nt : scifi: I CHALLENGE you to back your claim of the end of the world as a "scientific fact"
     zenpunk : if he is lying he cant be a true christian
     scifinbible : kitty if i would try to explain u won't get the point ,, since u do not care to talk ideas u just love to call names
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:18:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     demiurge_nt : scifi: No one has called you any names...quit whining...you LIED, therefore you are a LIAR
     deadman_932 : scifinbible: kitty if i would try to explain u won't get the point<<<----- another lie
     scifinbible : Demi read the treasury of Math and Astomony
     damien_the_demon_kitty : scifinbible : kitty if i would try to explain u won't get the point ,, since u do not care to talk ideas u just love to call names <----Two lies, and three unfounded assumptions.
     diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scifi: there is a HUGE difference between Revelation and what scientists theorize
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, seriously, are you intentionally lying?
     scifinbible : Demi the fact we do not read the same info ,, doesn't make one a liar
     demiurge_nt : scifi: I postulate my knowledge of mathematics, astronomy and physics outstrips yours...care to test me? :)
     demiurge_nt : scifi: I CHALLENGE you to back your claim of the end of the world as a "scientific fact"
     deadman_932 : scifi, the fact that you make claims you can't support makes you a liar
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:19:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     zenpunk : demi you postulate here and youll clean it up goddamnit
     scifinbible : i told u Demi ,, read more ,,
     demiurge_nt : scifi: Don't like the label Dishonest? Then BACK YOUR CLAIM
     scifinbible : or do u want me to read the treasury of math and Astonomy for u ?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=apocalypse <-----a¡poc¡a¡lypse Any of a number of anonymous Jewish or Christian texts from around the second century B.C. to the second century A.D. containing prophetic or symbolic visions, especially of the imminent destruction of the world and the salvation of the righteous.
     demiurge_nt : scifi: I want you to try for a SHRED of honesty and BACK YOUR CLAIM.....why do you keep evading?
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:20:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Now, where is science to be found in that definition, scifi?
     deadman_932 : cite that book, scifi..i have it here
     scifinbible : i gave u the source ,, i do not agree with that idea in fact i think the church is lying when presenting revelation as the potential end of the world ,, but i wonder how come the science embraced that idea
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Here's another definition... Great or total devastation; doom: the apocalypse of nuclear war. <-----This doesn't seem to match the word you put up though.
     demiurge_nt : scifi claimed the apocalypse was scientific fact, and is now busy avoiding backing that claim...why? :D
     scifinbible : deadman give me a sec i'll give u the page
     demiurge_nt : And AGAIN scifi lies :))
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:21:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     deadman_932 : scifi, if you mean the book edited by timothy ferris, please cite which page..i have it here
     demiurge_nt : i do not agree with that idea in fact i think the church is lying when presenting revelation as the potential end of the world ,, but i wonder how come the science embraced that idea <----scifi, BACK THAT CLAIM
     diogenes_of_synope_2003 : dead: it is a credible book?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : A third definition: A prophetic disclosure; a revelation. <----Completely unscientific. Hmm, seems scifi was lying yet again.
     deadman_932 : dio: yes, it's a collection of works by scientists like hawking, etc.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:22:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     deadman_932 : feynman, gamow, etc
     diogenes_of_synope_2003 : cool -- i should get a copy
     scifinbible : darn somebody stole my treasury ,, deadman look for the shift of light ,,
     deadman_932 : it was being sold cheap by book clubs
     scifinbible : kitty all u know is to acuse yet u never read the book
     deadman_932 : scifi, you lied
     demiurge_nt : LMAO!!! Now suddenly scifi's "credible source" is missing! :))
     damien_the_demon_kitty : LMAO, scifi, you have no treasury.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:23:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, I GAVE THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD, and showed how it had nothing to do with science.
     scifinbible : deadman u never read it u are the one lying
     deadman_932 : it's not IN there, scifi, since i have actually read it
     damien_the_demon_kitty : I did your fact finding for you.
     diogenes_of_synope_2003 : it seems that scifi's argument goes as follows 1) Revelation talks about the end of the world 2) scientific theories predict the end of the universe therefore 3) science embraces religion
     deadman_932 : scifi, i have it right in front of me and caN put it on cam
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Deadman, give her a couple quotes from the book.
     scifinbible : kitty then maybe u want to buy it so u can educate yourself lol
     deadman_932 : scifi, i have it right in front of me and can put it on cam
     demiurge_nt : scifi: So you're not going to back your claim?
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:24:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, er, what part of "I gave the definition of the word and showed how it had nothing to do with science" do you NOT get?
     deadman_932 : would you like to say i'm lying , scifi?
     scifinbible : correct synope ,, but revelation is wrong ,, therefore science is wrong on that too
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Because I could explain it more in depth if you would like.
     deadman_932 : scifi, i'll show you the book on cam, you fucking liar
     diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scifi: :)) but that argument is fallacious
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:25:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     Summisse_Eloquens : *sighs*
     deadman_932 : i have a very nice library, scifi
     deadman_932 : and you're a liar
     demiurge_nt : deadman: I think you just scared the shit out of scifi...she didn't expect anyone to actually HAVE a copy of that book! :D
     scifinbible : deadman , the fact the u lie is giving me no satisfaction of any kind so why should i say it ?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, er, have you looked at deadman's cam yet?
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:26:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, what part of "I have it right in front of me and can put it on cam" do you not understand?
     scifinbible : no kitty
     Summisse_Eloquens : *looksatDeadman*
     scifinbible : well read it then kitty maybe you'll get the point ,, about light shilft
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, I'm looking at his cam right now and can see the book.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:27:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, look at his cam.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : You lied once again.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : The title is quite easy to see.
     demiurge_nt : scifi: Why won't you look at deadman's cam? Afraid your lies will be exposed?
     demiurge_nt : deadman: cool cover
     radardog : Scfi has an argument against deadman's cam?
     scifinbible : kitty don't look read ,, and understand ,, is big difference ,, millions of people look at the bible but only 1/10 or so read it ,, and even les then that understood what they read
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:28:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, I'm willing to let your lies about me and science go, simply because people do it to me every day, but until you admit that you were lying about deadman, this conversation will not move.
     deadman_932 : scifi, you're just a fucking liar
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, LOOK AT HIS CAM.
     diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scifi: why don't you answer the questions being asked of you?
     scifinbible : no rad ,, i just encourage people to read ,, but they say ,, they can see it but who wants to read it ? lol
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Either admit you were lying, or be proven a troll and a fraud.
     scifinbible : synope what do u want to know ?
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:29:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, have you looked at his cam yet?
     diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scifi: answer deadman's, kitty's, etc questions!
     Summisse_Eloquens : Scifinbible: I was away for a few moments, but I think that what is being said is that Deadman has the book right in front of him, and that what you referred to as being in that book, is not in fact, in that book...as a result, he has stated that you are being somewhat dishonest in your representation of the material in question.
     demiurge_nt : scifi: That's the problem dishonest people have with this room....if you lie you will be called on it...why are you STILL EVADING???
     Summisse_Eloquens : Scifinbible: I would further say that Deadman is stating that if you do not believe that he has the book in question that he will show it to you on cam.
     scifinbible : no kitty i read the book and wrote an article about it ,, so its your time to read
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, that is not the issue.
     diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scifi: your argument as I presented it is a fallacious ( invalid ) argument -- and you claimed that I accurately represented your argument
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:30:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     deadman_932 : scifinbible: or do u want me to read the treasury of math and Astonomy for u ?
     Summisse_Eloquens : *looksatDeadman*
     damien_the_demon_kitty : You said that deadman was lying and he doesn't have the book, he is ON CAM right now HOLDING UP THE BOOK you claimed he didn't have.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Acknowledge that point, troll.
     demiurge_nt : scifi: "The World Treasury of Physics, Astronomy and Mathematics"....who was the publisher? :D
     deadman_932 : i happen to have lots and lots of books, scifi:)
     deadman_932 : little and brown
     Summisse_Eloquens : Scifinbible: Wouldn't it just be best at this point to acknowledge that you were wrong, and that Deadman does have the book in question?
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:31:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     deadman_932 : little, brown, & co.
     scifinbible : Demi i do not recall ,, but will that chanfe the idea being presented in the book ?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Summisse, so far the cowardly troll hasn't even acknowledged people are talking about it.
     scifinbible : is after all an old book
     demiurge_nt : deadman: Dammit I was asking scifi...thanks a lot!
     Summisse_Eloquens : I think it would do a great deal for the way you are viewed...what people think of your character, and the weight they will give to your arguments...if you just acknowledge you were wrong.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, LIAR.
     deadman_932 : scifi, it's NOT in there
     damien_the_demon_kitty : You said it ten minutes ago.
     deadman_932 : sorry, demi
     scifinbible : and is still being thought in schools with all those flaws
     deadman_932 : scifi, it's not IN there
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:32:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : scifinbible : deadman u never read it u are the one lying
     demiurge_nt : scifi: No, but it DOES show your dishonesty
     deadman_932 : but of course, you're lying, scifi
     scifinbible : deadman , there is segnent about the shift of light
     scifinbible : segment even
     deadman_932 : scifi, there are lots of passages about redshift
     deadman_932 : idiot
     deadman_932 : but what YOU claimed is not in there
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, seriously, it's rather funny watching desperately try to evade the fact that you've been caught in at least three lies.
     scifinbible : ok deadman then u read only the surface of it
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:33:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : *watching you.
     deadman_932 : scifi, you are a lying again
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, yet again you lie.
     scifinbible : have a great day all , u seem to love being blind
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Why don't you give deadman the page and paragraph that backs up your claim?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Run scifi.
     deadman_932 : youseem to have a pathological need to lie, scifi...get help
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Come back and hope that we've forgotten about this.
     scifinbible : kitty grow up at least stop calling names before u read
     demiurge_nt : scifi: At this point I suggest you save what credibility you may have left; "honesty is the best policy" :)
     zenpunk : scifi, run away you cunt
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:34:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, what names have I called you that weren't accurate, troll?
     scifinbible : Demi ,, i need no credibility witth people who refuse to read and think
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Run away scifi, you can't survive against people who call your lies for what they are.
     demiurge_nt : scifi: You lied and were caught doing so; at least have the COURAGE to admit it.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, so what does that have to do with this room, troll?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Unless you're telling another lie by implying that we don't read and think.
     Summisse_Eloquens : scifinbible : deadman u never read it u are the one lying
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:35:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     scifinbible : kitty u right blind minds like u killed those who tried to explain the truth ,,
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, now I'm a killer, another lie.
     scifinbible : kitty grow up
     damien_the_demon_kitty : scifinbible : have a great day all , u seem to love being blind <----Yet another lie by scifi.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, quit lying.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:36:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     Summisse_Eloquens : Did Scifinbible ever just say that they were wrong regarding Deadman?
     Fastillion : [ scifinbible, I don't blame you. Christians lie. Lying for God is what faith is all about.
     demiurge_nt : scifinbible: kitty u right blind minds like u killed those who tried to explain the truth ,, <---another lie
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, so are you actually leaving, or was your farewell just another lie.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:37:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     Summisse_Eloquens : lag?
     demiurge_nt : 'At this point it would require FAITH to take anything scifi says as truth.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Summisse, either that or we scared the words out of her.
     scifinbible : kitty do i have the right to talk in m ? or u control that too? lol
     Summisse_Eloquens : Damien: slowly for me today, did she?
     demiurge_nt : dark_maria: scifi has lied several times so far today in here, and was caught doing so; now she is evading the point.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, implying that I said you didn't have the right to speak, yet another lie.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:38:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, seriously, you're about to go on gremlin.net for chronic lying.
     deadman_932 : scifi..remember this day , okay? and remember that i helped positively show you as a liar. i don't like you, scifi, not in the least.you are a proven liar
     scifinbible : ok kitty ,, then why w ould u care if i stay or leave ?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, you said you were leaving, so are you going to leave, or are you lying yet again?
     scifinbible : living body / system .. sorry
     Summisse_Eloquens : Deadman: Did she say that she was mistaken about you not having read the book then?
     Summisse_Eloquens : That's all I want to know really.
     scifinbible : oops i meant that for pm
     Summisse_Eloquens : I guess I can scroll for it.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:39:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     deadman_932 : nope, summisse
     Summisse_Eloquens : oh..
     Summisse_Eloquens : kk.
     demiurge_nt : Summisse: No, scifi has yet to admit that, or any of her other lies
     deadman_932 : it just insists it's right
     Summisse_Eloquens : I don't understand that...I've been wrong in this room, and I've found that it is much easier to right away say...oh damn, my bad...
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Demi, now that I think about it, she hasn't admitted to a single lie yet.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:40:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     deadman_932 : not with fanatics, summisse
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Including the ones where she accused us of lying about her.
     Summisse_Eloquens : oh well...
     scifinbible : none of u knows what life is ,, but all of u play smart
     damien_the_demon_kitty : So scifi, feel like admitting your lies yet?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : scifinbible : none of u knows what life is ,, but all of u play smart <---Two more lies.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:41:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, you're now definately going on gremlin.net.
     deadman_932 : not one person other than you has been caught lying scifi..consider that
     Summisse_Eloquens : Scifinbible: Personally, I don't think I'm all that clever, or particularly intelligent, I realise that I am quite ignorant on several topics, and completely ignorant on the others.
     scifinbible : yes kitty in the face of the bilnd i m a liar ,, but i am sure not everybody is so arrogant as u are
     scifinbible : Summ that is your choice
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Assuming I'm arrogant, another lie. Assuming we're blind, another lie.
     deadman_932 : and lying is your choice, scifi
     demiurge_nt : scifi: You lied and got caught...that is not arrogance, it is FACT...want me to post it?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, you can't even get off a semi-rightious remark without being caught in several lies.
     Summisse_Eloquens : Scifinbible: What is my choice? To make note that I don't know everything?
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:42:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     Summisse_Eloquens : *lostlook*
     deadman_932 : scifi..have a nice day
     scifinbible : yes Summ ,, to observe
     deadman_932 : :) liar
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, just admit you are lying your ass off (which we've already proven beyond doubt), and it will go easier on you.
     scifinbible : deadman u too
     deadman_932 : mine will be MUCH nicer knowing that i caught you in a lie, scifi:)
     Summisse_Eloquens : Scifinbible: And I don't know about all these other lies that are being mentioned, but I do know that you said that deadman had not read a book, that he not only read, but owns, and was willing to prove to you that he did own, but you failed to just look and say..oh oops.
     scifinbible : kitty if u know the truth about life then i lie
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:43:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     Summisse_Eloquens : That doesn't look good. But I guess we all make mistakes.
     Summisse_Eloquens : *looksatdamien*
     damien_the_demon_kitty : scifinbible : none of u knows what life is <---- A lie..... life: The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:44:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     Summisse_Eloquens : I make incorrect assumptions..I don't consider them lies, I consider them to be incorrect assumptions.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : A bit different from how I'd put it in my own words, but the point holds.
     Summisse_Eloquens : *frowns* I think I'm going to have to stay out of this.
     deadman_932 : *yawn* you are hereby dismissed,scifi
     scifinbible : now i start to understand why they killed Jesus ,, people just can't think by themselves only in group as sheep
     damien_the_demon_kitty : By the way scifi, {scifinbible : kitty if u know the truth about life then i lie } <----Another lie, that ISN'T what you claimed we didn't know.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:45:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     deadman_932 : scifi, you're not jesus, you're just a liar
     damien_the_demon_kitty : scifinbible : now i start to understand why they killed Jesus ,, people just can't think by themselves only in group as sheep <----This is relevent to you admitting your lies....how?
     Summisse_Eloquens : Deadman: Dismiss:P It's just another attempt to gain more attention for that crap.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:46:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     scifinbible : deadman i never said that i said that now understand how people associate against one person ,, who doesn't want to agree with the sheep behavior
     demiurge_nt : LOL....after being caught in SEVERAL lies, scifi is now comparing herself to Jesus?! :))
     deadman_932 : scifi, people caught you in a lie..that justifies lots of people calling you a liar
     deadman_932 : and that is in no way "sheep" behavior
     deadman_932 : it is fact
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, you compared yourself to Jesus, which is what Deadman was pointing out.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:47:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     Summisse_Eloquens : Scifinbible: yes, people generally have a problem with someone who makes nasty little accusations against someone and then when it is shown that the accusation is false...does not bother to say even I was wrong, not to mention I'm sorry. People have problems with those who cannot deal with others with a modicum of common courtesy.
     demiurge_nt : scifi: Just admit you lied, and we'll move on :)
     scifinbible : deadman people love your cam ,, so u can control their minds and they associate with you
     deadman_932 : "control their minds?!?!?"
     deadman_932 : hahaha
     damien_the_demon_kitty : scifinbible : deadman people love your cam ,, so u can control their minds and they associate with you <----Another lie.
     demiurge_nt : You can control minds with a cam?! LMAO!! :))
     deadman_932 : you're really fuckied up in the head, scifi
     scifinbible : Demi i admit that if u know the meaning of life then i know nothing and i lied
     damien_the_demon_kitty : That was the FIRST time I've ever looked at deadman's cam, I've been associating him for months.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:48:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     Summisse_Eloquens : Okay, now this has just gone beyond the point where one can stoop to comment.
     golconda2.rm : scifi, LOL you were proven wrong on cam, so now you claim that deadman's cam controls minds? LOL
     Summisse_Eloquens : *click*
     damien_the_demon_kitty : How he 'controls' me through it, I have no idea.
     deadman_932 : @-)
     scifinbible : deadman read your own words and judge yourself ,, u might find out news about yourself lol
     deadman_932 : scifi, i KNOW what i've said
     golconda2.rm : scifi, we're done...
     Summisse_Eloquens : *looksatDeadman*
     demiurge_nt : scifi: Until you grow a spine and can debate honestly, you have no place on my screen.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : scifinbible : Demi i admit that if u know the meaning of life then i know nothing and i lied <----Scifi, a repetition of a lie I ALREADY POINTED OUT, you never claimed we didn't know that.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:49:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, why don't you POST the lies deadman has told, you know, the same way WE'VE DONE FOR YOU.
     deadman_932 : we debate here when there's a topic to debate...right now the consensus is that scifi is a liar...but then, i'm "mind controlling" everyone with my cam
     deadman_932 : wooooo
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Deadman, and remember, it's so people will associate with you.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:50:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     deadman_932 : damien, my associate
     damien_the_demon_kitty : According to scifi, a known liar, anyways.
     demiurge_nt : must....give...deadman...paycheck....can't help myself...
     scifinbible : kitty u and deadman love to call others names ,, i noticed that in other cases ,, thats the only true scientific defense u have
     damien_the_demon_kitty : scifinbible : kitty u and deadman love to call others names ,, i noticed that in other cases ,, thats the only true scientific defense u have <----Yet another lie.
     Summisse_Eloquens : Jesus_christ_the_lord: That's right, that is all I ever do in this chatroom is look at people. And I'm sure that you would be the authority on what I do, and do not do, and what i contribute and do not contribute...and what I'm like. Seeing as you have had about a half an hour to figure it all out.
     deadman_932 : scifi, my scientific defense was to hold up the book you made claims about:)
     demiurge_nt : scifi: Calling you a liar is NOT name calling, you LIED and got caught (several times in fact)
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, which names other than 'liar' (which you've been proven to be) and 'troll' (which you've been proven to be) have I called you?
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:51:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     deadman_932 : mm..coffee
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, and please demonstrate how calling others names is a 'scientific defense'.
     scifinbible : Demi the fact that people understand same science in diferent ways is not a lie is only disagreement of ideas
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, er, that wasn't your claim.
     deadman_932 : scifi, making claims that you can't support in any way and doing it knowingly ..IS a lie
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:52:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, you just implied that you made a different claim than the one you actually made, in essence, another lie.
     demiurge_nt : scifi: We're not talking about different understanding, we're talking about your outright LIES...shall I post them again for you, like kitty has?
     scifinbible : in fact Demi ,, thats why the truth is not being thought in schools ,, since the most influential do not read ,,
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, I could post your lies again if you would like.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, on the other hand, you could ADMIT you are lying, and we'll leave the whole issue behind us.
     demiurge_nt : scifi: What truth is not being taught in schools?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : It's YOUR choice, scifi.
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:53:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Admit you were wrong and move on, or evade, and be forever justifiably labelled a liar, fraud, and troll.
     scifinbible : kitty u can't leave it behind u ,, since thats the only thing u love to do ,, do u not see ? how many times did u call me names yet i never did
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, what names have I called you?
     scifinbible : Demi ,, u tell me ,,
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:54:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     demiurge_nt : scifi: That's your defense? When you lie you become a LIAR, no name calling is necessary
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, when did I accuse you of calling names?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, once again, you lie.
     deadman_932 : scifi, you called ME a liar, remember?
     scifinbible : is everything that is nbeing thought in schools true , scientifically correct ?
     scifinbible : lol kitty u are gone
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, quit evading, liar, what names did I call you?
     demiurge_nt : scifi: Irrelevant, you claimed "the truth" is not being taught in schools....AGAIN I ask, what truth??
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Scifi, so you are ignoring me because I asked you to tell me what names I called you?
     LOG DATA Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:55:22 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     

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