Posted by Damien [140.146.138.57 - ] on 08 October 2003 at 15.25.40 ZuluTime:

In Reply to: i would like to debate u posted by dan on 06 October 2003 at 23.00.42 ZuluTime:

You say that there is no proof of God?

>Depends, which god would you be talking about? If you're talking about the three small furry gods that live in my house, then no, I most definately do not say there is no proof of a god.

Do you love your mother? Prove it.

>Okay, without dipping too far into biochemistry, psychology, and social dynamics... Years of being intimately close with one of my meiotic progenitors has formed a psychological bond that has trained my mind, Pavlovian style, to quickly associate her image, voice, etc. with the stimulation and production of electrochemical signals that produce, in laymens' terms, feelings of 'love' and 'happiness'. I hope that wasn't too many syllables for you.

It is ok for a person to have faith and hope,

>Faith in what? Hope in what? Certainly for some things it is okay, but there are plenty of exceptions to that rather fallacious blanket statement of yours. Is it okay to have faith in a deity that will let you kill, rape, and steal from anyone you want as long as you believe in it? I think we could get an almost unanimous 'no' from everyone on that.

which is why you, and everyone gets up every morning.

>Actually, I get up because that is what years of forced conformity to social standards has done to my biological clock. It has become a part of the now normal time-table my biochemical systems operate on.

Before fire was discovered did it mean that it didn't exist?

>Fire was never truly 'discovered'. How to produce it by mechanical means was what was 'discovered'. Although this does bring up an interesting point that is not altogether helpful to your psuedo-challenges. Before fire was discovered to be produceable by human beings, it was likely thought that fire was a supernatural, deity-caused event. Funny, the more we discover, the less need for deities we have. Was that the point you were trying to make?

Everything is possible

>Except for cubic spheres, negative measures of volume, universe sized chunks of matter, particles of like charge that stick together with no outside influence, closed systems location within the universe (aside from the universe itself, and even that is up for debate), invisible, yet distinctly pink unicorns, etc.

and I, for one, believe that God is real.

>Good for you, er, which god exactly? Thoth, the great aegygptian god who is the fountainhead of all knowledge and wisdom? Quetzalcouatl, the magnificant winged serpent of the Aztec beliefs? The great A'tuin, who supports the earth upon his terrapian back? Nyarlathotep, the crawling chaos and messenger of the Outer Ones? Or possibly the rather bland, childish, impotant godhead of the Hebrews? I, for one, believe in the great lord Cthulhu, who shall rise from his undersea tomb-city of R'Lyeh and take back the world from the rash of humanity that had infested it during his death-like sleep, bestowing vast kingdoms of land to his faithful, undying cult.