| 05 November 2003 at 21.02.30 ZuluTime
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Posted by Gremlin [12.211.200.127 - 12-211-200-127.client.attbi.com] on 05 November 2003 at 21.02.30 ZuluTime:
I've been meaning to make this clear for a while. This should be a good start....
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:04:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
hunter_the_crazychick : Chain: yeah.
madd_socialist : render isnt the bible sufficient enough evidence
jfirebird1 : then lightd the blunt and gives it to aa
rendermaster : of course it is - I nver claimed my faith was fact
sister_cranky_pants : snaps at aa and scratches his nose:P
deadman_932 : render, but by saying what youare saying, you ARE making a choice..a JUDGEMENT
jaydmoore : well, i'm now an hour late for work... i'm thinking about leaving soon
rendermaster : you are accusing me of that which I never claimed
deadman_932 : you exempted god
hunter_the_crazychick : Chain: having a little 'just got up' sinus pain right now. Gimme a moment and I'll have my brain online....
a_atheist : paas the blunt to reason
chaz_computer_links : Logic is another form of good prudence, it would atleast investigate first giving all information a try.
boy_scout_josh : The tree was in the center of the garden
metaphoricalcat : ` Haha JD that might be a good idea
madd_socialist : this is the problem with agnostics
jaydmoore : kitty: it may be
rendermaster : I'm making a judgement about the possible existence of a god
vegito54 : hillbilly have you gave any proof or evidence at all that god exists?
madd_socialist : cant have it both ways
jaydmoore : but i don't want to go
jaydmoore : lol
sister_cranky_pants : dont see reason
rendermaster : what does that have to dowith making value judgements about a god?
metaphoricalcat : ` You are SO addicted. O.o
vegito54 : other than the stupid bible quotes?
the_chainsawpsycho : Hunter: I think it's pretty important, overall. Not just because of the sheer number he's being convicted of, either.
zygmunt111 : god createc d adam what fairy taLE
jaydmoore : kitty: i'm UNaddicted to the military
the_ambassador_in_bonds : metaphoricalcat: Because your firewall is incorrectly configured?
gremlin_net : chaz_computer_links: we do. We've investigated the various assertions people believe in, and discovered no evidence supporting them.
metaphoricalcat : ` Ah.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:05:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
zygmunt111 : GOD ISA A FAREIETALE
metaphoricalcat : ` Ambassador- If that is the case, then my brother changed it.
rendermaster : they don't believe in one, zygmunt
a_atheist : kicks reason for lissa
rendermaster : see how easy that is?
hunter_the_crazychick : Chain: the Green River Killer is one of the big ones.
metaphoricalcat : ` Because it was working just dandy yesterday.
the_ambassador_in_bonds : metaphoricalcat: Just taking a guess :|
rendermaster : lissa :0
hunter_the_crazychick : There will be TV shows, and repeats of old TV shows....
rendermaster : :)
madd_socialist : cant have it both ways render
the_ambassador_in_bonds : Try disabling it *shrugs*
vegito54 : he created adam in his image...his image is perfect is it not?
metaphoricalcat : ` And if my brother touched Zone Alarm, my brother will fry. Seriously.
jaydmoore : funny thing is that i could sit here all fucking day and they would never know the difference
the_chainsawpsycho : Hunter: With bad acting? Yay.
rendermaster : I don't have it both ways, madd
a_atheist : licks lissa seat off so she can sit somewhere clean
sister_cranky_pants : render :)
hunter_the_crazychick : chain: of course.
born_ok_the_1st_x : thank you, Gogeta
deadman_932 : you are saying " we must withold judgement based on some fictional attributes i think god MIGHT possess...and even then, if you KNEW it was god " x" ( say xipe totec) you could theoretically find an infinite number of excuses for that god
vegito54 : no worries
deadman_932 : well, god didn't MEAN it
chaz_computer_links : How about faith, the whole intire world will tell you if you believe stongly in something you will obtain it.
hunter_the_crazychick : chain: and maybe some spiffy CG action, like with the one where the little girl was killed in the hit and run....
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: we discussed this yesterday. Agnostics aren't trying to have anything both ways.
zygmunt111 : WHOO IS ADAm faRIEW TALE
rendermaster : deadman, you are now telling mem what I believe and what I know and what I'd say
hunter_the_crazychick : Did you ever get to see that?
william_pride2000 : fried brother...cool
christian_hillbilly_ky : chuckles at jfirebird1
deadman_932 : or god was mistaken
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:06:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
madd_socialist : exactly dead
flank_er2000 : i just wish hillbilly could hear himself talk; "and THEN, god made even from a rib!..'cause god woke up and realized man wasn't good all by himself..." :))
rendermaster : you sure hate it when theists do that to you
jaydmoore : have a good one, heathens
born_ok_the_1st_x : lol jfire
deadman_932 : or god had no INTENT
zygmunt111 : MONKEYS FOOL
hunter_the_crazychick : Oh wait, you don't get CourtTV, do you?
rendermaster : "you have to believe in agod"
the_chainsawpsycho : "Most of the time, I killed them the first time I met them. I do not have a good memory for their faces. I killed so many women, I have a hard time keeping them straight."
rendermaster : "atheism is a relgiln in itself"
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: also, yesterday, you conceded that you were agnostic as well.
rendermaster : "one has ot have faith to be an atheist"
zygmunt111 : GOD MYTH
deadman_932 : you are opening up an infinite regress of excuses
rendermaster : sound familiar?
deadman_932 : i'm NOT atheist, render
rendermaster : no, deadman,. I'm using your own arguments
vegito54 : hillbilly i think that if your "god" heard how stupid you are he would trade you in for a pet monkey
zygmunt111 : MYTHOLOGY
hunter_the_crazychick : chain: getting life is a good thing. People can talk to him, then.
deadman_932 : i am agnostic
esotericx10 : metaphoricalcat If you're running ZA then it should be teling you it isn't giving permission for an FTP connection
the_chainsawpsycho : Hunter: Just let me know if you see any good stuff, in the coming weeks.
chaz_computer_links : Maybe believing is seeing, its worth a try.
deadman_932 : so don't try that canard
madd_socialist : wrong grem
madd_socialist : i never made such outrageous claims
deadman_932 : agnostic first and foremost
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : "Atheism is not a religion, it's a personal relationship with common sense"....(BigFresh)
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: do you know whether any given deity exists?
zygmunt111 : COMOSOLOGGY
chaz_computer_links : Its just an experament anyway.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:07:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
deadman_932 : atheist on what i see so far
the_ambassador_in_bonds : esotericx10: Not always. If rules have already been configured, it won't warn you again.
iconoclastologist : « zsa,good one:)
rendermaster : if you don' tknow ifa g od exists, then how do you attribute something to a god?
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : ;;)
zygmunt111 : YOU IDIOT DEVEIL IS YOU]
sister_cranky_pants : mom:X
madd_socialist : gremlin god is not a reality
the_ambassador_in_bonds : If you've given it permission on port X, and port X is either blocked or in use, then that's too damn bad.
sister_cranky_pants : alcy :X
madd_socialist : only a concept
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : Young'n :-*
metaphoricalcat : ` Yes, I know, esotericx10.
zygmunt111 : YOUR THE DEVILL
deadman_932 : render, again, that is a fundy damn tactic " you don't beleive in god, so how can you judge?"
deadman_932 : that's a crappy argument
madd_socialist : haha dead
iconoclastologist : « zygmunt, you serious?
madd_socialist : typical evasion tactic
rendermaster : I'm not making an excuse for my god - I'm saying that if we were able to know as much about god as we do about each other, then we could hold that god accountable for what he has or hasn't done
sister_cranky_pants : wb james
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:08:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: reality is the sum total of facts; that wasn't my question. It's a given that no deities exist in fact. The issue is whether you know whether deities exist outside of fact.
rendermaster : maybe that will be possible some day
rendermaster : I don't rule tha tout
zygmunt111 : THE Erth is much older than some stupid bible
flank_er2000 : "but WAIT! ...because THEN, the bible says that aliens swooped from the sky and invaded the earth, because the angels guarding the former garden of eden morphed into 5 legged snakes. but then, 2 of every kind of animal rose up to defend against the aliens, and then..."
zygmunt111 : screw the bible
deadman_932 : render, i DON'T know god and i am not pretending to...but i DO know that YOU are ascribing attributes that YOU cannot KNOW
sister_cranky_pants : the father of lies
chaz_computer_links : Unbelief is not logical, doubt is understandable.
iconoclastologist : « OK zyg.
esotericx10 : the_ambassador_in_bonds Which is why I leave it to the default settings
deadman_932 : you have ALREADY exempted god
zygmunt111 : biblohidyt idols
sister_cranky_pants : :->
rendermaster : but so are you, deadman, but it seems you can do so to make your point, but I can't
vegito54 : god already knew they would "sin" because he is all knowing...he would also know that only 33% or so of the world today would belive in him, knowing that he would have to throw the majority of the world in hell for eternity...god sounds pretty selfish and more like a demon than a god
deadman_932 : and theoretically you could continue to do so , forever
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:09:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
sister_cranky_pants : I will.
madd_socialist : doubt = guess work
sister_cranky_pants : :D
rendermaster : and so could you, deadman
deadman_932 : that exempts god infinitely
rendermaster : whicch is thepoint
madd_socialist : see i have no time to guess wether or not god exist
rendermaster : and your way makes god guilty infinitely
rendermaster : doesn' tit?
deadman_932 : no, i am going by what i DO know
boy_scout_josh : WB BORN :D
a_atheist : licks lissa! cause shes a liar!
deadman_932 : that pain is a BAD THING
rendermaster : you don'[t know anyting about a god
sister_cranky_pants : :))
rendermaster : that isn't about a god
rendermaster : that is about us
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: I know that there are no deities in fact. I doubt that there are any deities outside of fact. But I'm not dumb enough to claim to know that no deities exist outside of fact. It's possible, however unlikely, that we'll discover deities someday; then we can study them and determine what they are, where they came from, and what they're able to do.
mylabs2667 : being an atheist is stupid
zygmunt111 : we came from evolu;tion noit no bible shit
william_pride2000 : kitty how's the rice?
sister_cranky_pants : I agree
a_atheist : thanx mylabs
iconoclastologist : « mylabsm why?
deadman_932 : neither do you, and what i do know is that torturing a kid is bad
sister_cranky_pants : but hillbilly wont see it that way.
rendermaster : yes, it is terrible when one of us woudl torture a child
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:10:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
madd_socialist : can you define this deity
madd_socialist : ?
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: not yet.
mylabs2667 : evolution how come that there are still monkey and apes
deadman_932 : no one gains in torturing a child, least of allthe child
deadman_932 : and how can god gain?
zygmunt111 : yes god tslks to you
madd_socialist : you make it seem like this diety is some human figure
born_ok_the_1st_x : jfire.. who are you speaking to?
rendermaster : who says the gain is for god?
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : And he's calling us stupid. :))
madd_socialist : like i said god is a concept
rendermaster : you are assuming more about a god than many theists do
madd_socialist : not reality
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: forget deities for a minute. Do you know whether Nessie exists?
deadman_932 : who " learns?"
a_atheist : SNADY!
chaz_computer_links : I think rendermaster was offened by a christian once, so now he rejects everything about God.
zygmunt111 : whatb a joke
iconoclastologist : « mylabs, I don't know, maybe you can explain evolution so we can understand it.
deadman_932 : who gains?
vegito54 : we are just part of nature not some stupid idea that god created us and it was good...every animal in nature has a defence to predators...ours is our evolved brain
rendermaster : chaz, you are ridiculous
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : a_a, you hunka hunka.
deadman_932 : how is it remotely "good?"
rendermaster : since I'm not an atheist
sister_cranky_pants : god has everything already, there is no gain.
rendermaster : so pay attention, dimwit
boy_scout_josh : I can't see Born Blue
sister_cranky_pants : blue :X
a_atheist : preps his tounge to gather much salt form snady...........=P~
rendermaster : deadman, it may not be good
oneloveoneman04 : «
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:11:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : ;;)
zygmunt111 : i rsther believe evolution thasn this bible shit
deadman_932 : it cannot be good
rendermaster : it may not be good that a god did it - but we don' tknow
chaz_computer_links : Truth hurts huh
boy_scout_josh : I am Blue
rendermaster : no, it MAY not be good
rendermaster : chaz, you are a moron
madd_socialist : render well in the context
deadman_932 : cannot..pain is conceded to hurt
zygmunt111 : who is adsaam
rendermaster : I'm not an atheist
a_atheist : render is jewish
boy_scout_josh : Blue :((
oneloveoneman04 :
rendermaster : yes, deadman - it hurts when we kill horses
deadman_932 : pain to an innocent thing is hurtful
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: why are you so opposed to understanding this....
rendermaster : its evil to kill horses
oneloveoneman04 :
oneloveoneman04 :
oneloveoneman04 :
oneloveoneman04 :
madd_socialist : is it morally right for a god to kill children just because they laughed at someones bald head
iconoclastologist : « mylabs, can you explain evolutionary theory.?
rendermaster : that is your argument
rev_sara_the_demon_child : roaaaaaarrrrrrrr
deadman_932 : horses are not babies
rendermaster : okay, colts
boy_scout_josh : I can't see Born Blue :(
deadman_932 : and i don't like painful killing of anything
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:12:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
rendermaster : neither do I
sister_cranky_pants : never heard that blue.
boy_scout_josh : Yes Blue
rendermaster : but you seem to judge differntly
born_ok_the_1st_x : Paul said something to that effect
sister_cranky_pants : or read it.
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : Yes, blue, he did.
madd_socialist : what is nessie ?
rev_sara_the_demon_child : dead: even bugs??
boy_scout_josh : I'll find it
rendermaster : why?
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: the Loch Ness Monster.
born_ok_the_1st_x : in Acts?
deadman_932 : anyone that tortures a horse to death would be considered insane to SOME degree
rendermaster : why does one judge differently when a person kills or an animal kills?
chaz_computer_links : Yep, tell us what happened, was it a famliy member.
skylette_09 : ok whats the debate
madd_socialist : ok grem
indondasani : is away (Away)
madd_socialist : what about it
deadman_932 : humans are not mentally the same
rendermaster : where do yu oget torture from?
mylabs2667 : when you say evolution you started from something to another thing
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: Nessie does not exist in fact. Right?
rendermaster : deadman, you are making assmptikons about a god - how does that work?
born_ok_the_1st_x : Josh?
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: no published fact shows Nessie to exist.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:13:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
indondasani : is back
indondasani : is actually not away.
rendermaster : if I can't assume about a god, then neither can you
rendermaster : if my assumptions afre not relevant, then neither are yorus
madd_socialist : grem from what i understand no
deadman_932 : render...imagine a baby in a city ordered burned by the OT god...and it dies of that fire
deadman_932 : that is TORTURE
rendermaster : irrelevant, deadman
the_chainsawpsycho : Gremlin: Just some photos and witnesses.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: so. Do you know whether Nessie exists?
a_atheist : mylabs, what is god?
iconoclastologist : « OK mylabs2667, you don't understand evolution, so don't try to say it is all false....
deadman_932 : frying for however long HURTS
madd_socialist : some of the evidence for nessie has been fabricated
a_atheist : nuttin!
rendermaster : you are making assumptions about a god that yuo claim I can't
deadman_932 : that is the torture i described
the_chainsawpsycho : They are questionable evidence, I will concede.
rendermaster : so what, deadman?
the_ambassador_in_bonds : gremlin_net: I've got a way better example for agnosticism.
rendermaster : you are still making assumptions abo9ut a god
nutinsspittles : winks
rendermaster : not about the torture
the_ambassador_in_bonds : gremlin_net: How many people are on the planet right now?
nutinsspittles : hello
rendermaster : or the pain
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:14:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
deadman_932 : render,you are making assumptions that god is exempt and not responsible
the_chainsawpsycho : Hey Nutin :X
the_ambassador_in_bonds : gremlin_net: There is a set number, a definite truth. You certainly can't know it.
deadman_932 : i am not making that excuse
gremlin_net : the_ambassador_in_bonds: hang on. I've got his attention now; lemee finish the point here....
rendermaster : no, deadman, I'm saying I don tknow enough to make a judgement
vegito54 : it is somewhere around 6 billion
born_ok_the_1st_x : Josh?
deadman_932 : if i torture a dog, i am responsible
the_ambassador_in_bonds : vegito54: How many exactly?
chaz_computer_links : Its better to doubt the exsistance of God, but asking if God is real. That is a logical question, and reasonalble.
metaphoricalcat : ` I suck :((
rendermaster : dedaman, we know abot each other
madd_socialist : grem from the facts i have, i can conclude that nessie does not exist in fact
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: do you know whether Nessie exists? Yes or no.
rendermaster : we don't konw about a possible god
rev_sara_the_demon_child : damnit, everyone's fighting today
the_ambassador_in_bonds : vegito54: You simply can't know.
counterdestructive : i know there are precisely 6345142415 people on the planet right now
deadman_932 : if god tortures a child, he is responsible
the_chainsawpsycho : Kitty: Bad rice?
the_ambassador_in_bonds : That's what it's like to be agnostic.
iconoclastologist : « ambassador, you know what god knows we don't know?
vegito54 : i said somewhere around....around...
metaphoricalcat : ` It's edible...
rendermaster : deadman, then you are just as guilty as any theist for making assumtpins
deadman_932 : yeah,we do,render
counterdestructive : ooh, make that 6345142475
rendermaster : how do yo uthen argue against the theists?
madd_socialist : grem scroll up
vegito54 : want me to write it again?
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:15:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
metaphoricalcat : ` But I've had better. :|
deadman_932 : and i am allowed to question god
the_ambassador_in_bonds : There's a correct number. But nobody could ever figure out what it is.
the_chainsawpsycho : Kitty: you could always put cheese or pepper on it.
deadman_932 : and i can accuse god, too
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: I know the facts; I'm not asking about them. Fact aside, do you know whether Nessie exists or not?
metaphoricalcat : ` It tastes okay.
the_ambassador_in_bonds : iconoclastologist: Stop and think about what you just said, and whether or not it has anything to do with what I've said.
zygmunt111 : more shit
madd_socialist : grem im sorry but your not convincing me
rendermaster : of course, deadman, but yuo aren't just accusing, you are judging
rendermaster : not the same thing
deadman_932 : damn right i am
the_chainsawpsycho : Wendy :X
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: that's because you're being obtuse.
deadman_932 : and deservedly so
rendermaster : making an accusation and making a judgement are tow different matters
justme9369 : chain:X hugs love
nutinsspittles : is back
zygmunt111 : relic bring lotsd of monery
nutinsspittles : HI chain :D
rendermaster : no, its not deserved, when you don't have the defendant in the court room
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: did the giant squid exist a hundred years ago? It sure as hell didn't exist in fact.
metaphoricalcat : ` I think I just had a) too much water... enough to make it just a lil mushy, but not enough to strain and b) waaaaay too much rice. lol
esotericx10 : the_ambassador_in_bonds No on e can figure it out becaause the number is subject to change from one moment to the next
chaz_computer_links : Yep, I question God as well.
a_atheist : adds a gallon of Uzzo to Chainsaws fuel system, sets him on fire
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:16:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
rendermaster : it wouldn't be deserved for another human being, would it?
the_ambassador_in_bonds : vegito54: "Somewhere around six billion" is not a set number. There is a real answer--at any given moment there are *exactly* X number of people on the planet. You'll never know what it is.
zygmunt111 : lots of monerry from rerlics
justme9369 : sara:X
deadman_932 : any god that knowingly tortures and kills is either insane or evil...unless you can say something other than " mysterious are the ways of god"
the_ambassador_in_bonds : esotericx10: But at any moment there is a *right* answer. That nobody could ever hope to know.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : wendy :X
a_atheist : wendy! get nekkid! (on cam)
the_chainsawpsycho : a_a: We switched to nuclear powered chainsaws a few years back. Didn't you get the memo?
iconoclastologist : « ambassador, never say never.
rendermaster : deadman, but for a human being, we'd give them a trial and a chance to defend themsevles
deadman_932 : lgihtpercing you didn't read that article
rev_sara_the_demon_child : light: there is no proof of life after death
rendermaster : no matter what they did
deadman_932 : so shut the fuck up, lightpiercing
madd_socialist : grem first if a person doesnt know what a nessie is, how can they say he does or doesnt exist ? however, since you gave me a concept of it, then i can conclude yes nessie doesnt exist
rendermaster : even if they killed and tortured children
madd_socialist : you must first give me a concept
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:17:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
the_ambassador_in_bonds : credits Clarice O'Callaghan for the rather effective population analogy.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Why, do you believe it?
iconoclastologist : « light I studied that report, it is not even close to conclusive evidence.
the_chainsawpsycho : Kitty: you could probably fry the rice with some beef or something, and add vegetables to it.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: fine. So you know that Nessie doesn't exist? You're certain of that?
rendermaster : wouldn't a god deserve that same consideration, if we give it to each other?
a_atheist : shit, adds some Plutonium to chains fuel system them, detonates a small scale thermo-nulcear device to get chaon going
metaphoricalcat : ` Chain, vegetarian.
chaz_computer_links : On this planet, where people believe in ,goast,phycic reading, tarotcards,vodo, and evolution, you know I am going to question God.
indondasani : light; i've never heard of that journal. I bet you never have, either, until you saw that quote.
madd_socialist : yes grem
the_chainsawpsycho : Kitty: Get some tofu beef, ore something. :P
deadman_932 : and lightpiercing,the report itself makes it clear the phenomenon is UNEXPLAINED
metaphoricalcat : ` I've got veggies with it, right now.
the_chainsawpsycho : or*
nutinsspittles : REnder actually should god be judged as he judges
rendermaster : anyone who doesn't question a god or the existence of a god is ridiculous
deadman_932 : and not proof of an afterlife
born_ok_the_1st_x : Fare thee well all you lovely Freethinkers. Keep the fire burning!
rendermaster : perhaps, nut
a_atheist : kicks reason
metaphoricalcat : ` Chain- I'm not into mimicing something I disapprove of. It seems silly.
rendermaster : I don't know
iconoclastologist : « by born
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:18:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: then what's in the loch? Something down there has the mass of a Chevy Suburban. It's moving on its own. Any thoughts?
justme9369 : spits on A_A:P
iconoclastologist : « bye too^
metaphoricalcat : ` Mimicking, or something.
rendermaster : I'd have to know about god more than I do now to make that judgdment
the_chainsawpsycho : Kitty: you don't like vegetarian hotdogs? Damn.
deadman_932 : render, yousee the dilemma it puts people who are believers in,though
william_pride2000 : kitty...next time...one cup of rice 1 1/3 cups water :)
reason_over_faith : I tried to leave...But the gravitational pull of Kitty's jugs pulled me back in!!
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Light: The whole "soul" thing was made up long before humans had knowledge of the central nervous system/ THey made it up to explain why human bodies *look* human, but don't move around and talk like live himans do.
counterdestructive : http://skepdic.com/nde.html#]
nutinsspittles : YOud have to know how god judges
rendermaster : yes, deadman, of course I do
counterdestructive : http://skepdic.com/nde.html
reason_over_faith : Not even light can escape them!!! :((
nutinsspittles : and there is not one that knows that
esotericx10 : the_ambassador_in_bonds I agree that we cannot know the answer to the exact number and why we cannot know but that was a bad analogy for agnosticism
madd_socialist : grem say that again in a coherently manner please
rendermaster : which is why I don't spend my days insisting others accept my god and my faith and my belief
chaz_computer_links : I have the logical right to question God, even you render, can atleast ask if God is real?
a_atheist : uses wendys spit as lube......come on wendy get nekkiD!
counterdestructive : using brain states to 'prove' life after death is ridiculous
justme9369 : somer:X hugs
metaphoricalcat : ` Okiedoke, William. I tried to take a bit out, and I did, but apparently it was still too much.
deadman_932 : it really does force an irrational position on the faithful
a_atheist : lol
william_pride2000 : NO 1 2/3 cups water...sorry
rendermaster : I find atheism to be a valid choice as well as agnosticism
the_chainsawpsycho : hehehehehehehe
somersetcase1 : Hey wendy!!
counterdestructive : the physical can never prove the transcendental
reason_over_faith : One cup rice, one cup water.
william_pride2000 : or even 3/4 cups
justme9369 : a_a--you unwise man---I am:D
deadman_932 : and that is something that led me TO my agnosticism
counterdestructive : light, you don't understand much about science, do you?
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:19:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
sister_cranky_pants : hi somer
reason_over_faith : Simple rule.
counterdestructive : its not 'your own science'
hunter_the_crazychick : goes over Gremlin's sentence repeatedly, looking for the 'incoherence'.
justme9369 : somer--how the hell are you?
a_atheist : i am what?
bluejene : somer :X
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Light: YOu're the one who's wrong here, not me. You have no evidence.
counterdestructive : science is not some kooky movement like your weird religious ones
the_ambassador_in_bonds : esotericx10: It's a perfect analogy. There is a *right* answer--either there is a God or there isn't. One who doesn't think we can know that--an agnostic--has taken an identical stance.
nutinsspittles : BLUE :*
reason_over_faith : Speaking of big jugs, hello sister.
indondasani : light; let us assume that this journal IS remotely credible. Even then, I doubt the article's about what your secondhand source claims it's about.
deadman_932 : i started out agnostic, then i learned of gods and had to reject the concept
rendermaster : yes, deadman, it does, but considering a god, regardless of your final decision, could be describedc as "irrational"
counterdestructive : light, i already offered the refutation
indondasani : light; you've read the story?
counterdestructive : http://skepdic.com/nde.html
the_ambassador_in_bonds : esotericx10: You don't get to declare it wrong by fiat. Where is the flaw?
madd_socialist : exactly dead
sister_cranky_pants : reason :X
reason_over_faith : LOL
rendermaster : and I understand why, deadman
nutinsspittles : Squeezes reason_over_faith's fine ass
Fastillion : [ hunter_the_crazychick, did you hear they have the Green River killer?
counterdestructive : ad hominem works badly enough when you have a decent grasp of the conversation at hand
sister_cranky_pants : laughs
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: we haven't proved that Nessie exists in fact. But we have ascertained that something is down there, and alive. Nothing in that loch should be larger than a tuna. But something the size of a basking shark lives in there. That can't be Nessie, since you know that Nessie doesn't exist. What could it be?
a_atheist : Lissa justs love the Big Dicken Cider jugs!
hunter_the_crazychick : Fast: yeah.
counterdestructive : when you're so obviously lost it just looks like an anaemic get out
rev_sara_the_demon_child : light: Now you're condescending and making yourself look even more stupid.
justme9369 : Lisa:X:X:X:x
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:20:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
sister_cranky_pants : slaps aa
bluejene : k..
a_atheist : lol
rendermaster : I don't know why I don't feel the same as you do
a_atheist : thanx
bluejene : :))
reason_over_faith : So it was the combined mass of sister AND kitty that pulled me back in.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Atheists DO NOT BELIEVE IN LIFE AFTER DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sister_cranky_pants : who is lisa?
rendermaster : I understand and agree with most of what you said
counterdestructive : http://skepdic.com/nde.html
chaz_computer_links : It be the same as if I said, rendermaster does not exsist.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Well, not most of us, anyway
xombiediabhal : gremlin_net, a drunk?
Fastillion : [ hunter_the_crazychick, he killed a lot of people. Like he said, way too many to remember.
deadman_932 : i don't know either, but in some ways i envy you, render
sister_cranky_pants : reason, you pig:P
counterdestructive : <--wonders if light has even read the article he is hawking
the_chainsawpsycho : The Green River Killer doesn't look like too much of a dork.
iconoclastologist : « First of all, they define NDE as flat line EEG, which, on the surface in not death, but near death. Secondly, their recall of events while they are alleged dead, not not recalls of when they are really dead, but near death. Third, if being near death once can see the other side, then why not when one is fully awake and conscious?
counterdestructive : haha@stuff like this all over the net
reason_over_faith : Sister, no. A physicist.
counterdestructive : wwwwwwwwwow
chaz_computer_links : Rendermaster do you exsist.
counterdestructive : it must be true
chaz_computer_links : ?
a_atheist : wendy loves Dicken Cider can
madd_socialist : grem paste that again
sister_cranky_pants : shakes head
rendermaster : then we DO feel the same, deadman - since can envy you as well :)
a_atheist : lol
madd_socialist : too many people talking at the same time
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: I didn't paste it the first time.
xombiediabhal : i'm convinced that rendermaster is a figment of my imagination
indondasani : light; by 'stuff like this' you mean "vague references to imaginary PROOF"? I agree.
reason_over_faith : Physics can be applied to all things. Like the attraction of mass to larger mass.
counterdestructive : theres stuff about the end of the world coming in the year 2000 all over the net, i guess it must have been true
counterdestructive : but, oh wait
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:21:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
counterdestructive : we're still here
rendermaster : then shut the hell up, xombie and stop talking about me ;)
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Oh I shoudln't fight with light. He thinks atheism = satan worship.
counterdestructive : but, hang on
counterdestructive : its on the net
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: you claim to know that Nessie doesn't exist.
counterdestructive : how can stuff on the net not be true?
sister_cranky_pants : reason, keep your mass away from my mass:P
iconoclastologist : « Near death Experiences are not death experience, are they?
reason_over_faith : And sara too?
reason_over_faith : See!!
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: nothing in the loch should weigh more than a hundred pounds.
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : Truth does not equate to .....could be.....might be.....maybe.........
rev_sara_the_demon_child : reason: what>
deadman_932 : this is from the report itself, lightpiercing
reason_over_faith : That is like what....242 inches of hooters in this room now.
deadman_932 : Another theory holds that NDE might be a changing state of consciousness
(transcendence), in which identity, cognition, and emotion function
independently from the unconscious body, but retain the possibility of
non-sensory perception.7,8,22,28,31
nutinsspittles : WONDERS if anyone here knows they are trying to debate with a person that thinks DEMONS actually "live" in a lake!! ~~ Lightpiercing
counterdestructive : so wait counter, you're not telling us that sometimes people publish things on the net which actually turn out to be wishful thinking?
reason_over_faith : Sara, your big ta-tas
sister_cranky_pants : reason's thinking with his cock again.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: something the size of a basking shark is in the loch; it's alive.
indondasani : you would think that if a respected medical journal with a peer review process published an article that was actually ABOUT souls, it would make the news. the MAJOR news.
deadman_932 : that is from the REPORT ITSELF
justme9369 : kitty box neeeds cleaning again
counterdestructive : yes light, i'm afraid you'll learn that that can happen
sister_cranky_pants : boing!
metaphoricalcat : oinks at Reason
rev_sara_the_demon_child : light: You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass.
hunter_the_crazychick : If The Lancet is one of the world's most respected medical journals, why, precisely, is it printing stuff from AP?
deadman_932 : there is NO conclusion on the reports
counterdestructive : well, gee gosh, thankyou for enlightening me
nutinsspittles : DUH!
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: what could it be, since Nessie doesn't exist?
chaz_computer_links : How do I know rendermaster isn't a bot?
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:22:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
reason_over_faith : Not at all. I am purely being....scientific.
somersetcase1 : lightpeircingdark, you don't equivicater atheism with satan worship do you?
xombiediabhal : lightpiercingthedark is that retarded-looking guy at walmart who passes out the carts
sister_cranky_pants : suuuuuuuuure you are.
reason_over_faith : I am.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : reason: I don't have *huge* boobs, and I'm glad I don't. I have a modest 36C.
sister_cranky_pants : 8-|
william_pride2000 : the starrzrevolt comes in for more abuse
madd_socialist : grem how some of the magazine articles describe nessie, i know for sure that nessie doesnt exist
reason_over_faith : sara, uh huh.
william_pride2000 : I'm a 44 A
indondasani : light; that you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass? then for once we're all on the same page.
nutinsspittles : WIllian is here ?
william_pride2000 : hi nutins :x
reason_over_faith : Bill, so we have to add you!!
deadman_932 : the FULL lancet report is reproduced at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mind-l/message/18391?source=1
reason_over_faith : So lets see.
rendermaster : deadman, you've seen the place from where my faith comes; what is rather interesting is that its basically the same place as where your questioning and basic rejection of it comes; that has been what always fascinates me
metaphoricalcat : ` Reason, scientifically, I bet you have more mass, and weight, than I do. So if you were being scientific, I'd be attracted to you. But I'm not. So you're not being scientific.
sister_cranky_pants : Im sleepy and I need to pack :((
deadman_932 : lightpiercing, shut up, you conartist
nutinsspittles : ;;)
counterdestructive : i love the way light types 'smiles again' while clenching his fist against the mouse
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: you know for sure that some descriptions are at least inaccurate, or fabricated. You don't know for sure that Nessie doesn't exist.
counterdestructive : its so cute
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:23:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
bluejene : lol
reason_over_faith : Kitty, you are. You are just in denial.
nutinsspittles : is in bliss without the troll >:D
indondasani : dead; ah. an actual reference. let's take a looksee...
rev_sara_the_demon_child : light: you think the "truth" is a 3,000 year old fairy tale that has absolutely no physical evidence. SO who's the foolish one here>?
iconoclastologist : « Near death Experiences are not memories of when one was actually dead.
chaz_computer_links : I have no proof rendermaster is a human life form, he might be artifical inteligence.
hunter_the_crazychick : light: why, because we're smarter than you, and don't make up stories about velociraptors living under the stairs in our parents' basement to get out of going down there?
rendermaster : which troll, nut?
rendermaster : there are about five i here
madd_socialist : once again grem
rev_sara_the_demon_child : and you're condescending again, and are, again, making yourself look stupid.
reason_over_faith : And I was speaking of SPECIFIC mass kitty.
deadman_932 : render: yeah, i guess it's something innate that allows some people to make that leap of faith
nutinsspittles : lightpiercing
somersetcase1 : lightpeircingdark, I've said it before and I'll say it again..You have been hardened by this room, and yahoo in general...I think you would be better off not to torture yourself so. :-|
deadman_932 : i don't have it
madd_socialist : please give me a a coherent description of nessie
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: the problem here is that you're assuming that something has to be exactly what it's described to be, or it can't exist at all.
bluejene : :))
the_chainsawpsycho : Reason: Her hooters have strange quarks?
hunter_the_crazychick : looks, once again, for this alleged incoherency.
rendermaster : exactly - that is the difference - that is it is so little of a difference :)
hunter_the_crazychick : finds none.
sister_cranky_pants : hooters?
rendermaster : for the same place
madd_socialist : grem just give me a coherent example please
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: a coherent description of Nessie? No one knows.
sister_cranky_pants : where?
rendermaster : from
reason_over_faith : Chain, more like positive neutrinos.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:24:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
counterdestructive : hahaha
chaz_computer_links : He talks like a robot, don't he.
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : 8-|
counterdestructive : i love the way the threats seamlessly follow the bullshit and the ad hominem
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: Nessie is, apparently, a largish animal living in Loch Ness.
deadman_932 : lighpeircing, go peddle your demon pics, you nutjob
sister_cranky_pants : smoking is bad.
counterdestructive : predicable? I'm not sure
bluejene : :))
iconoclastologist : « light, another threat?
rendermaster : I guess the rest, of course, comes from personal experience which we can't duplicatee
reason_over_faith : See, kitty is getting all huffy now. I am doing my job well.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : reason: Are you suggesting I have bigger boobs than I say I do???
the_chainsawpsycho : Closed strings would also add gravitational pull.
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : It's the ol "you'll see when you die!!!", threat.
reason_over_faith : sara, I am going by what you used to say.,
madd_socialist : grem or what you call "nessie" maybe a shark
sister_cranky_pants : reason just wants to see boobs.
rendermaster : but thanks, deadman - it was a really great discussion :)
sister_cranky_pants : thas all.
indondasani : I wonder if this study measured brain waves...
rev_sara_the_demon_child : reason: what did I used to say>>
rendermaster : now we can shit all over l,ightpiercing :)
reason_over_faith : Maybe you had a reduction.
hunter_the_crazychick : lightpiercingthedark: and if it's the same deity you're describing, you'll be screaming in hell 'I didn't mean it oh I didn't mean to gloat I'm sorry I thought I was saved!'
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:25:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
iconoclastologist : « Jjesus is going beat you up.LOL
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: can't be. Sharks exist. You already promised me that Nessie doesn't exist.
reason_over_faith : Sara, that you had large mams.
counterdestructive : light will never be able to say that prophet osama didn't warn him about the power of Allah, being tortured for eternity will be pretty tough but heck, its hard to see how he anything but deserves it
rendermaster : "
deadman_932 : render..the thing is i never experienced anything in particular that made me reject the concept...it was for me logical to say " i don't know"
indondasani : light; I'm reading the study that your source claims proves souls right now. I haven't read any proof of souls yet. Perhaps YOU should read it and see for yourself.
counterdestructive : haha@despite
hunter_the_crazychick : "to despite'.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : reason: I lost some weight
counterdestructive : hahahahaha
rendermaster : "to despite your face"
reason_over_faith : sara, ahh.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: or were you wrong to claim to 'know' that Nessie doesn't exist?
hunter_the_crazychick : Fuck, you're an idiot, light.
rendermaster : lol
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : despite your face? :))
madd_socialist : Gremlin: madd_socialist: Nessie is, apparently, a largish animal living in Loch Ness.
sister_cranky_pants : Im going to Memphis this weekend.
madd_socialist : seems like your describing a shark
xombiediabhal : "de-spite"?
reason_over_faith : sister, to masturbate in Graceland.
reason_over_faith : right?
sister_cranky_pants : reason, to see my mommy.
somersetcase1 : lightpeircingdark, oh, if that happens, you're right..I wont say no one ever told me...I wont have to say anything will I...God will just know that the only people who told me were nut cases. :-))
iconoclastologist : « it's spite your face.
xombiediabhal : to take away spite?
rev_sara_the_demon_child : and most of the weight I lost came off my boobs. And tha's a good thing, they were giving me back problems
rendermaster : understood, deadman - and the difference is that I must have experienced something that pushed me that small amount in the other direction
the_chainsawpsycho : Lissa: Going to Graceland for your yearly pilgimmage?
reason_over_faith : Oh, and that.
sister_cranky_pants : james, indefinitely.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: right. And you claim to know that Nessie doesn't exist. You claim, by implication, to know that no largish animal lives in Loch Ness.
madd_socialist : like i said give me a coherent description
chaz_computer_links : Yep, better to say you don't know in hopes of finding out.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : I can still use them to drink a can of pop though ;)
reason_over_faith : sister, good luck.
jfirebird1 : cool
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:26:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
the_chainsawpsycho : pilgrimage*
xombiediabhal : i bet i'd be offended by lightpiercingthedark, if I had a fucking clue what he's saying.
hunter_the_crazychick : lightpiercingthedark: I don't fucking care if you're masturbating, don't fucking do it at me, you fucking pervert.
rendermaster : light, if you are going to use well-known quotes, try to get them right
rendermaster : lol xombie
sister_cranky_pants : reason, ty. I will think of you while masturbating in front of elvis' grave.
madd_socialist : grem no give me a coherent description of "nessie"
sister_cranky_pants : k.
deadman_932 : http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mind-l/message/18391?source=1 << the full lancet report reproduced...look at the conclusions and methodology
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: see the problem here? You told me that you were *certain* that Nessie didn't exist, even before you bothered to find out what Nessie is supposed to *be*.
reason_over_faith : Why thank you.....thank you very much!!
iconoclastologist : « How can any one say that a Near Death Experience is a death experience? it is not making sense.
sister_cranky_pants : haha
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : Hard to be offended by someone who sees demons around every corner.
deadman_932 : the conclusions don't support you., lightpiercing, not at all
rendermaster : who says nessie doesn't exist? I took a picture of her when I was in scotland!
rendermaster : :)
sister_cranky_pants : yawns
madd_socialist : grem wrong, i said give me a coherent conception of nessie before i make my judgement
xombiediabhal : rendermaster, that was your mother.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:27:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
sister_cranky_pants : bye blue :X
rev_sara_the_demon_child : lightpiercing is one of the few guys in the room who hasn't tried to cyber with me....not yet anyway
nutinsspittles : lol render
xombiediabhal : snap!
madd_socialist : and that you have not done
rendermaster : my mother is bigger than that ;)
metaphoricalcat : smacks Yahoo
sister_cranky_pants : hi kitty.
madd_socialist : all you threw at me was vauge descriptions
the_ambassador_in_bonds : wb metaphoricalcat:X
metaphoricalcat : ` Hi sister_cranky_pants.
metaphoricalcat : ` Ambassador :X
nutinsspittles : HI Kitty
iconoclastologist : « Make sense? Not a Christian ability.
rendermaster : wb, kitty
sister_cranky_pants : kitten
sister_cranky_pants : :)
reason_over_faith : HAHAA.
metaphoricalcat : ` Nutins, thanks render
chaz_computer_links : If God exsist, he is a lifeform that can answer back if you ask him if hes real.
evilapparatus_wiccan_kitten : lissa :)
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: you've claimed that you know for certain that Nessie [a largish animal in Loch Ness] does not exist. See the arrogance in that now? Your certainty predated your understanding of Nessie's characteristics.
nutinsspittles : TWO pussies
madd_socialist : anyways, nessie is not god
nutinsspittles : KItty and Kitten
evilapparatus_wiccan_kitten : nutin
nutinsspittles : :D
iconoclastologist : « Yes chaz
sister_cranky_pants : bye anika
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: how do you know?
reason_over_faith : I do not see nut.
evilapparatus_wiccan_kitten : kitty
sister_cranky_pants : C
somersetcase1 : Actually, light is okay...Everyone picks on the guy, but at least he appears to have some integrity, regardless of how extreme his beliefs are.
madd_socialist : grem your argument i fruitless
sister_cranky_pants : :X
nutinsspittles : :O
madd_socialist : is
metaphoricalcat : ` Kitten.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: it's not possible that Nessie is a deity?
chaz_computer_links : Be logical
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:28:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
evilapparatus_wiccan_kitten : chain
nutinsspittles : REASON doesnt see me :((
rev_sara_the_demon_child : and lots of the guys in the room who have tried to cyber with me have left abruptly as well...most disturbing
madd_socialist : oh grem right
nutinsspittles : LOL woody !
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: what's a deity?
sister_cranky_pants : nut, arent you lucky?
chaz_computer_links : Don't try to prove by study,
evilapparatus_wiccan_kitten : waves at everyone else
reason_over_faith : LOL sara.
iconoclastologist : « Integrity doesn't mean sincere stupidity.
nutinsspittles : tell him to go out and come back
rev_sara_the_demon_child : reason: They're terrefied that I'll name names :D
mydesire2worshipgod21 : Hello
metaphoricalcat : hasn't had anyone from the room try to cyber with her.
indondasani : (lines 1 to 5)
Frequency of NDE was affected by how we defined NDE, the
prospective nature of the research in older cardiac patients, age, surviving
cardiac arrest in first myocardial infarction, more than one cardiopulmonary
resuscitation (CPR) during stay in hospital, previous NDE, and memory
problems after prolonged CPR.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : which I usually don't, unless they royally piss me off
reason_over_faith : sara, bah, who cares.
madd_socialist : grem your obviously missing my point
rendermaster : chaz, its people like you that make atheists happy to be atheists
evilapparatus_wiccan_kitten : kitty such a loss:))
nutinsspittles : me either ![-(
somersetcase1 : icon....mmm, no, you're right..it doesn't.
rendermaster : "don't learn by study"
metaphoricalcat : ` I know. *giggles*
the_ambassador_in_bonds : tries to cyber with kitty.
indondasani : that's from the article which, according to you, light, PROVES the existence of a soul.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:29:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
metaphoricalcat : ` Ambassador, I forgot about you.
reason_over_faith : Sara, so you could claim someone has cybered you when they have not.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : reason: Some of them did when i was 17, hehe
metaphoricalcat : ` Oh. And indonwuffle.
william_pride2000 : I'm not terrified at all
deadman_932 : somerset: ask goldie about lightpiercing's integrity...he tried to con people into buying his " secret" demon-imaging process on other boards..a "process" that he knows is bogus
hunter_the_crazychick : sees that light has shut the fuck up.
hunter_the_crazychick : How nice.
rendermaster : an article proved a soul?
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: see the problem now? You're the one claiming to know that Nessie doesn't exist; you're the one claiming to know that deities don't exist. But you can't give me coherent descriptions of either, can you....
chaz_computer_links : If God is the almighty lifeform, you can ask God and he will respond logicly in your language too.
nutinsspittles : brb
reason_over_faith : And like I said, we all know EVERYONE knows that what people say in chat is fact!! 8-|
the_ambassador_in_bonds : Wow. Thanks.
reason_over_faith : Sara, so?
somersetcase1 : Ohj really? Light was trying to con people?
rev_sara_the_demon_child : reson: stop trying to cyber with me :D
reason_over_faith : That is not illegal.
nutinsspittles : is back
hunter_the_crazychick : deadman: a 'process' that involved taking screenshots from the loch ness webcam.
rendermaster : chaz, people have asked and have not gotten an answer
the_ambassador_in_bonds : makes an impression.
somersetcase1 : hmm, well, perhaps I'm being to hasty
deadman_932 : yes, somer
reason_over_faith : sara, exacly.
mydesire2worshipgod21 : Hi nutin
reason_over_faith : Nut.
rendermaster : which is probably why THEY ARE ATHEISTS
the_chainsawpsycho : Hunter: You didn't even have to stab him?
rendermaster : or part of the reason why
madd_socialist : grem i cant argue with you anymore, because the position of agnostics = "hey if i just say maybe something exist or doesnt, noone can prove me wrong"
nutinsspittles : :D
reason_over_faith : I rest my case sara.
boy_scout_josh : grabs deserted_in_deserts and dances around the room
rev_sara_the_demon_child : reason: in some states it is, hehe
deadman_932 : exactly, hunter
mydesire2worshipgod21 : :)
reason_over_faith : sara, name some.
hunter_the_crazychick : Chain: nope....
boy_scout_josh : grabs nutinsspittles and dances around the room
rendermaster : a majority of atheists ARE FORMER XIANS
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:30:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
deadman_932 : and he tried to sell that " secret process"
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: I'm not wrong. I'm not claiming to know either way.
nutinsspittles : mydesire ... hi
rendermaster : they've asked those qustions
boy_scout_josh : uses power of levitation to raise nutinsspittles
rev_sara_the_demon_child : oh, I don't know
somersetcase1 : Why would someone need to lie in order to promote their beliefs? That makes no sense.
rendermaster : and didn't get an answer or a sufficient answer
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: you claimed to know that Nessie didn't exist; and you were proved wrong.
iconoclastologist : « near brain damage Experience NBDE
madd_socialist : grem the burden of proof is on you
rev_sara_the_demon_child : aren't there some states where it's 18??
madd_socialist : not me
reason_over_faith : And if it is across state lines, what is the point. Also sara, you can claim to be 15 and actually be 58.
nutinsspittles : josh please get your hand off my butt
boy_scout_josh : :))
indondasani : light; observe how the number of reported NDE's vary depending on how "we defined NDE". That means that the people who "experienced" that were open to suggestion on the subject.
rendermaster : it does if the person is a ridiculous, ignorant nincompoop, somer
chaz_computer_links : Well maybye you didn't here him respond, he is God you know, he will respond anyway he wants.
rendermaster : rofl
madd_socialist : how can i prove something that doesnt exist
nutinsspittles : TY
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: no it's not. I'm not claiming that Nessie exists. You're claiming that she doesn't exist.
rendermaster : chaz, that is ridiculous
rev_sara_the_demon_child : hahahah yeah reason. I'm um....13....yeah :D
nutinsspittles : :D
rendermaster : you just said that all someone has ot do is ask
william_pride2000 : sarah...name me, i don't care....reason maybe the first week i came in here...18 to 24 months ago....i chatted up sarah and tried to take the conversation in a sexual direction....it must have made an impression on her because she hasn't shut up about it since
hunter_the_crazychick : Sara can claim to be fifteen, and actually be a fifty-eight year old FBI agent on a sting operation.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: how can I prove something I'm not even asserting?
indondasani : implying that NDE's are at least in part psychosomatic.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:31:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
reason_over_faith : Cops do NOT arrest online pedophiles just for inline comments. They have them " meet" the supposed kids in real life.
esotericx10 : somersetcase1 It make a lot of sense if you're obsessed
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, that's a little silly.
rendermaster : now you are saying that now someone has to ask and wait for an answer that they don't see as having come
reason_over_faith : Yes hunter. The point is, that FBI agent cannot do DICK unless they prove intent.
nutinsspittles : WIlliam you have that impression on people ... ;)
iconoclastologist : « reason, are they after you again?
boy_scout_josh : Nutins has a very nice tush ;;)
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, he's answering in a way that he knows one won't recognize? what's the point of that?
william_pride2000 : lol nutins
rev_sara_the_demon_child : William: Was this before or after you said you wanted to cum on my toes and lick it off?
metaphoricalcat : ` That's what I thought, Reason. Though I suppose technically it can fall under corrupting a minor.
xombiediabhal : your trickster god does not amuse me.
reason_over_faith : theo, naww. I learned how to evade like you do.
nutinsspittles : WOODY !!! TMI
kano_red : the woeld has a design therfore it has a designer
rendermaster : in other words, chaz, all you are saying is that there is a god no matter what anyone asks, says, does, or believes
chaz_computer_links : Well if you where almighty God, then who is this small pethetic thing that expects almight God to respond his way.
reason_over_faith : kitty, hard to prove.
hunter_the_crazychick : notices that the money isn't back in her account yet.
rendermaster : which isn't exactly a new idea
kano_red : world
william_pride2000 : Woody....well that doesn't sound like me but hey...say what you wish
rev_sara_the_demon_child : lol nutin, I thought the same :))
hunter_the_crazychick : Reason: I know.
madd_socialist : grem your whole defense is based mainly off "well maybe nessie does exist or she doesnt", see you really have no opinion in the matter at hand
metaphoricalcat : ` Yes, Reason, it is.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: maybe I should have used a better example....
iconoclastologist : « LOL, I am really smart reason, I wait until they grow up first.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:32:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: do dragons exist?
rendermaster : that is what xianity forces on everyhone to begin with
deadman_932 : the full report in the lancet is inconclusive and the methodology is suspect at BEST...i can't imagine why it was accepted there..it should have been accepted in a lesser psych journal
madd_socialist : your like the kid that butts into every argument
rev_sara_the_demon_child : william: And now you deny saying it...why bring it up if you're gonna lie???
reason_over_faith : theo, suuuuuuuuuuuure you do.
xombiediabhal : if i were the almighty god, i wouldn't be trying to fool people into not believing in me, as your god apparently does.
the_chainsawpsycho : Hunter: A refund?
hunter_the_crazychick : Gremlin: maybe you should've left him to die in the trap you got him caught in.
rendermaster : that god exists no matter what anyone else thinks, does, says, questions, asks, believes, or thinks
hunter_the_crazychick : Chain: sorta.
reason_over_faith : theo like them rare and bloody.
william_pride2000 : Woody...i didn't deny it...i just said that doesn't sound like me
somersetcase1 : eso, if a person lies to promote their beliefs, that means they lack confidence in their beliefs standing on their own..That tells me their beliefs are limited. So, if they are obsessed, it's not about their beliefs, it's about their ego..You think?
rendermaster : and tht not only a god, but only jesus christ
rev_sara_the_demon_child : I never said your name once in the conversation with reason, you're the one who said it.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: this is an easy question. Everyone knows what dragons are. Do they exist?
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, if your god wants me to believe in him, he has the means to make me believe. it's his choice.
rendermaster : yes, grem
william_pride2000 : Woody, whatever you're trying to do....that's fine, discredit me...get people to hate me, i could give a shit....your attempts only reflect poorly on you though
rendermaster : dragons do exist
iconoclastologist : « You are right reason, I touch little girls pee pees.
rendermaster : I've seen them many times
nutinsspittles : Im Lost did you all take a LEFT!?
reason_over_faith : Anyway sara, if we could just get arrested for shit we say online, ALL would now be in jail.
reason_over_faith : Like theo is.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:33:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
rendermaster : well DUH, chaz
gremlin_net : Render: let madd_socialist decide what he 'knows' here....
evilapparatus_wiccan_kitten : huh
rendermaster : ahh
rendermaster : sorry
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : Will, you can come on my toes any time.
rendermaster : didn't mean to butt in
deadman_932 : i wouldn't be in jail:|..i'd escape
reason_over_faith : Even you sara.
rendermaster : tannar :)
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Am I trying to get people to hate you? No, I couldn't care less. You're the one who's calling me a liar.
madd_socialist : grem repeat your statement again
nutinsspittles : HI Tannar
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: do dragons exist? Yes? No? You don't know?
the_chainsawpsycho : "Hi, my name is Reason. I am a registered chat sex offender."
rev_sara_the_demon_child : reason: lol, probably :P
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, god has free will too. and he's choosing not to make me believe.
chaz_computer_links : If God gave you the means, he won't force it on you.
rendermaster : lol
evilapparatus_wiccan_kitten : :o
rev_sara_the_demon_child : LOL chain :))
madd_socialist : no
reason_over_faith : chain, Not registered!!
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, alright. that's his choice then.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: you're certain?
boy_scout_josh : 1 Kings 22:23: "Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee."
rendermaster : a registered chat youth sex offender
rev_sara_the_demon_child : could I get in trouble for wanting to fuck Woody??
iconoclastologist : « I raised three daughters, and Ii stripped them all naked and touched their private parts, appropriately.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:34:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
rendermaster : thats an important distinction ;)
reason_over_faith : Chain, please, if ANYONE would go to jail in here it would be you.
chaz_computer_links : Yep, is yours too.
Munkey_Atheist : N Hello faggots!
the_chainsawpsycho : "If I say anything offensive, please report me to the phone number on my profile. Thank you."
reason_over_faith : Sara, no. Entrapment.
esotericx10 : rendermaster its a little more insidious than that...its also "and these are the rules he has established and you'd BETTER follow them or else"
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, not really. i'm agnostic. i don't particularly care.
nutinsspittles : HI Munkey
boy_scout_josh : 1 Kings 22:23: "Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee."
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: you're not at all agnostic on the subject of dragons. You know for certain that they don't exist. Correct?
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Enrapment?
deadman_932 : you're all pervs..except me. :|
reason_over_faith : LOL chain, is that what the judge told you?
Munkey_Atheist : N Hey nut.
iconoclastologist : « chain,is that your number? :)
reason_over_faith : *Entraptment.
madd_socialist : yup
nutinsspittles : hmmm does that make me a faggot ?
xombiediabhal : tannar_darr, he's god. i wouldn't have much room to bitch.
chaz_computer_links : Fine, I am not worryed about it ethier.
the_chainsawpsycho : hehehehehehe
rendermaster : I didn't raise any daughters, but I've stripped women naked and touched their private parts appropriately :)
nutinsspittles : oh well shrugs
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : :-O
william_pride2000 : nutins....you're a sweetheart
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, obviously you are, or you wouldn't have brought the subject up in the first place.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:35:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
indondasani : hmm. an interesting finding.
iconoclastologist : « I would get in the tub with my daughters, butt ass naked.
reason_over_faith : Sara, believe it or not, some states do that. Some teen girl got busted for being a cyber whore.
the_chainsawpsycho : "Inappropriately" is such a vague word.
Munkey_Atheist : N I meant faggot in that "you guys" sort of way.
boy_scout_josh : 2Ch. 18:21 I will go and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets, he said. You will succeed in enticing him, said the LORD. `Go and do it.
So God wanted to influence a King of the time, and so he sent a spirit to lie.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: congratulations. Varanus komodoensis, the Komodo Dragon, was discovered, studied, and catalogued in 1914. You were wrong.
madd_socialist : grem whats your point
free_to_think1982 : hi munkey
jfirebird1 : nutin:x
nutinsspittles : :* william
chaz_computer_links : We are in a debate, I supose to bring it up.
reason_over_faith : The judge ordered that she stay OFF the net till she was 18.
madd_socialist : wrong grem
reason_over_faith : chain, yep.
nutinsspittles : jfire how is it hangin
madd_socialist : if you would of been more specific then i would of gave another answer
nutinsspittles : :->
xombiediabhal : tannar_darr, stopping me from what? i don't have time to read cryptic messages from a god that is perfectly able to communicate with me on a wavelength he knows I will understand.
reason_over_faith : theo, not like you have not before.
iconoclastologist : « reason, your 12 year old girl friend?
Munkey_Atheist : N cyber whore?
madd_socialist : nice trick grem
madd_socialist : but you failed
xombiediabhal : tannar_darr, such a thing is illogical.
rendermaster : when did she turn 12, icon? ;)
indondasani : according to this study, people who have had NDE's became more self-confident, and religious, while those who did not have them became less religious, and more empathic and intuitive.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : reason: Well, I usually don't reply. I do sometimes, I'll admit it.. but how can one be a "cyber whore"
xombiediabhal : it does not amuse me.
indondasani : very interesting.
hunter_the_crazychick : laughs at madd_socialist trying to backtrack in shame.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:36:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: I'm wrong? I see. It's possible that I'm wrong; I'm a vertebrate palaeontologist, not a herpetologist; but, granting that I've played with Komodo Dragons, I suspect that I'm not wrong about them existing.
madd_socialist : this is the problem with agnostics
rev_sara_the_demon_child : well, dust and libra get naked on cam...
reason_over_faith : theo, yeah. She once called ma pedophile. I said " Pedophile? That is an AWFULLY big word for a 12 year old to know!!"
rev_sara_the_demon_child : but they're over 18
rendermaster : lol
metaphoricalcat : ` Hunter- He's been doing it all days... hell, all week
deadman_932 : i like empathic and intuitive
metaphoricalcat : ` day^
metaphoricalcat : ` Bleh.
Munkey_Atheist : N Libra doesnt do that anymore.
rendermaster : she was 11 at that time, reason, or so the court papers said
iconoclastologist : « Yes, naked in the tub with my children, does that turn you on reason?
hunter_the_crazychick : Oh, now he's turned 'agnostic' into an insult. What a fucking twat....
the_chainsawpsycho : gets naked on cam for Woody
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: you were wrong. You failed to ascertain what you *knew* didn't exist before telling me how certain you were.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : lol chain :))
xombiediabhal : tannar_darr, i do know what is better. if he's god, he's the one that made my mind, and how it functions.
nutinsspittles : ;;) me too Woody , Ive flashed a few times ;)
Munkey_Atheist : vomits at chains back hair.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Hunter: who is this??
reason_over_faith : sara, leading men on, asking money for sex etc. Like I said, a lot of strange laws now.
indondasani : dead; but one must wonder at the causality for this.
nutinsspittles : (O)Y(O)
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:37:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
deadman_932 : not to ME, nut..i'm disappointed now
reason_over_faith : Woody right now, it is irrelevant, as you are 18, yes?
evilapparatus_wiccan_kitten : lol nutin
madd_socialist : nice trick grem
madd_socialist : but you failed
melrassi : hello everyone...
chaz_computer_links : Believe or not believe we will find out when we die. If I die and there is nothing than I lived a moral life that is all.
xombiediabhal : tannar_darr, the idea that a GOD would attempt to do something illogical and ultimately unproductive, is the absurdity.
nutinsspittles : hey DEAD you knew about the bet
rev_sara_the_demon_child : reason: A few guys have offered me money for sex. Most of them from my hometown. I should get them arrested
hunter_the_crazychick : prods Zombi and asks her where the remote is.
deadman_932 : indon: the study is shoddy
rendermaster : next time, munkey, why not just vomit ON his back hair?
reason_over_faith : nut, you?!?!? I do not believe that!!
indondasani : still wishes there were brain wave analysis availible for NDE's.
melrassi : this is my first time here...am expecting lightinings and dark smoke lol
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: in point of fact, you lied to me. You claimed that you knew for certain that this animal didn't exist. Yet it does.
nutinsspittles : and you knew what time the bet was being paid
reason_over_faith : sara, you can.
reason_over_faith : That is pandering
nutinsspittles : SOOO
xombiediabhal : tannar_darr, you're the one that's claiming god would be cryptic. i dont' remember god ever saying that.
indondasani : dead; probably because they appear to happen rather randomly.
somersetcase1 : Do you know how much the authorities care about people saying offensive things on-line? About as much as they care about someone stealing dog shit off a front lawn.They have FAR more important things to deal with on-line, to include, but not limited to, internet fraud, child porno, pedophile stalkers, terrorists, corporate hackers, and pirates.
madd_socialist : grem you practically baited me into a one-sided argument
Munkey_Atheist : N render good idea... the acid from my stomach should burn it off.
deadman_932 : i would not wantto print that as an editor
rendermaster : pandering? in THIS chat room?
madd_socialist : =D>
the_chainsawpsycho : Sara: Don't ruin it for the hookers.
nutinsspittles : LOL
indondasani : and it'd be against medical ethics to precipitate them.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : lol @ chain's back hair ;))
metaphoricalcat : has never flashed anyone
rev_sara_the_demon_child : :))
chaz_computer_links : If we die, and God is real, I won't be in hell ten thousand years later crying about it.
metaphoricalcat : ` And definitely not online.
iconoclastologist : « I wonder if there had never been a belief in immortality of the soul, if humans would value this life we have more?
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:38:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: and you fell for it. Because you're arrogant enough to claim to know that a given animal doesn't exist before finding out what that animal is supposed to be.
reason_over_faith : Kitty lies again.
madd_socialist : gremlin either way, the burden of proof is on you not me
nutinsspittles : Dead when Im in a flashing mood Ill let ya know
indondasani : yeah. All the people kitty's shown her breasts to have had fair warning.
rendermaster : well chaz, that is about the mentality of a two year old
deadman_932 : indon: you can try, i suppose with ICU patients
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, you will be if it's not YHVH
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: so, you're right. You're not agnostic. You're just foolish.
indondasani : drags out his drum set. Ba-dum-bum!
boy_scout_josh : Ezekiel 14:9 tells us: "And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet..."
So sometimes it is necessary to give false prophecy! ...
rendermaster : congratulations
rev_sara_the_demon_child : But one offered me 15 bucks....HA! I'd spit on him for that much
deadman_932 : whooo, hoo, thanks, nut
nutinsspittles : bite me
nutinsspittles : :|
esotericx10 : chaz_computer_links That begs the assumption that you need a deital construct in order to conduct yourself in a moral and ethical manner...what if you worshipped the wrong God and the right God is pissed about it?
indondasani : dead; yeah, I guess, but it'd probably take more funding than they had.
the_chainsawpsycho : Woody: What a cheap ass.
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : chaz, best to believe in ALL the gods, just to make sure your ass is really covered.
melrassi : wishing another reality is like saying, i wish i can be a bird
reason_over_faith : indon, shit. How could they miss them!! They arrive in the room 5 minutes before she does!!
madd_socialist : gremlin no you should of been more scholarly to be more specific
the_chainsawpsycho : It'd be worth at least 25 bucks to me. >:)
metaphoricalcat : ` Reason, I have done two sexual things on cam. Both of which were with my friend Marisa; one was a brief kiss, and the other was a boob grab.
indondasani : they were probably left to chase ambulances.
xombiediabhal : isn't it amusing how when christians use pascal's wager, they do it to get you to worship only their god?
kainebrood : not
rendermaster : yes, josh - "prophet" doesn't mean the prohpecy is real or true or valid
rev_sara_the_demon_child : I just don't see the point in getting naked in a room full of strangers....I mean, you wouldn't do that in public, would you??
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: I hope it works for you to know these things for certain, right up until you learn that you were wrong.
melrassi : however, it is a journey to be a better people and it takes time
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:39:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
rev_sara_the_demon_child : chain: for me to spit on you?
xombiediabhal : i'd much rather worship zeus if I worship any god at all.
deadman_932 : indon..yeah, having a good set-up would be pretty damn expensive
chaz_computer_links : I have seen enought supernatual things in my faith with God to keep me believing.
madd_socialist : grem you didnt prove anything
reason_over_faith : kitty, that is just...special. Thanks for sharing. And again, proves I was right.
hunter_the_crazychick : Someone backpedaling, whining, and bitching about someone's not being 'scholarly' using 'of' instead of 'have'.
madd_socialist : thats the problem with agnostics
rev_sara_the_demon_child : chain: for 25 I'll also say Fuck YOu in a russian accent
iconoclastologist : « chaz, like what?
evilapparatus_wiccan_kitten : woody some people doo ... look at strippers
metaphoricalcat : ` Reason, no, it doesn't; I did not flash.
the_chainsawpsycho : Woody: Exhibitionism is exhilirating. Like having sex in public. It's like being a movie star. :P
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: you should have asked what a 'dragon' was before telling me that they don't exist. Notice I confirmed that you knew what a dragon was before I asked whether you knew whether they exist.
reason_over_faith : kitty, flash okay. Perform sexual acts? Yeah.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : kitten: Eh, I wouldn't. Well, not for free, anyway, hehe
chaz_computer_links : I have seen people healed, including myself.
nutinsspittles : Woody everyone has their idea of fun, some people are more comfortable with their bodies than others
evilapparatus_wiccan_kitten : :))
boy_scout_josh : 2Th. 2:11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 2Th. 2:12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
So god is making people believe the lie, that he condoned.
reason_over_faith : flash comes under the area of sexual acts.
indondasani : I would wager that a person with an NDE manifests a _huge_ amount of activity in the temporal lobe, if it has that kind of personality-rewriting potency.
metaphoricalcat : ` And it wasn't 'because' we were on cam. We weren't even paying attention to it.
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, people have immune systems. they heal all the time.
the_chainsawpsycho : exhilarating*
iconoclastologist : « chaz, why is that super natural?
reason_over_faith : kitty, uh huh.
nutinsspittles : not everything is sexual
xombiediabhal : healing isn't supernatural.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:40:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
metaphoricalcat : ` Well, i haven't flashed, in cam, or in RL. *shrugs*
xombiediabhal : it's a bodily function.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: I asked you whether dragons exist. I asked 'you know what dragons are, right?'; and you told me that you did.
chaz_computer_links : Not in one second they don't
deadman_932 : my guess is there's just mental activity akin to hallucinogens and there are definitely reports of people under general anesthesia that were aware and cognizant of surroundings when they " shouldn't" have been
reason_over_faith : kitty, congrats.
metaphoricalcat : ` On cam, I should say.
madd_socialist : grem in our last argument about nessie you had to describe what nessie was, why didnt you describe it in this argument
the_chainsawpsycho : Kitty: That's because you suck. :P
madd_socialist : its obvious you wanted to bait me into a one-sided argument
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: that you misunderstood the question isn't my fault.
boy_scout_josh : How do we know that the rest of the prophecy is correct? Is there purpose we do not see for GOd to lie? to sway our decisions?
rendermaster : rofl
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, no one is healed from anything in one second.
metaphoricalcat : ` Chain, it's because I'm shy, oddly enough.
indondasani : dead; you mean like in a dream?
reason_over_faith : laughs @ kitty.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: I didn't describe dragons because you told me I didn't have to.
indondasani : is thinking that probably has something to do with it.
somersetcase1 : There is no problem with agnostics, other then their unmedigated audacity in having the utter nerve to concede they don't know everything. Those lousy stinkin bastards, actually have the afrontery to admit such a thing, and do it in public no less!!
iconoclastologist : « chaz, the world is full of charlatans, hucksters, and fanatics that make false claims.
kainebrood : what bible you readin from boyscout?
xombiediabhal : it would kill them
rendermaster : well, madd, I guess you won't be ridiculous enough to argue about the loch ness monster again, will you? ;)
chaz_computer_links : I never seen an a arm grow back so fast.
deadman_932 : and ultimately, there are only 17% in that study that report NDE
reason_over_faith : Okay.
reason_over_faith : That was funnyt.
indondasani : and that someone in an NDE'd manifest more beta than alpha waves.
reason_over_faith : -t
madd_socialist : i never said you didnt have to describe dragons
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, lying is a sin.
the_chainsawpsycho : Kitty: I tend to be a shy person, too. Doing something crazy like that is very exciting.
boy_scout_josh : 1Ti. 2:3 This is good, and pleases God our Saviour, 1Ti. 2:4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
If all are to come to knowledge of truth, and therefore pleasing to God, why would he send a spirit to deceive the king?
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:41:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, arms don't grow back dumbass.
iconoclastologist : « chaz, bullshit.
hunter_the_crazychick : scrolls up -- an act madd_socialist is obviously incapable of -- and browses the transcript, noting madd_socialist not asking for a description of anything until he hung himself....
madd_socialist : where did you get that from
esotericx10 : somersetcase1 :))
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: I asked whether you knew what dragons were.
reason_over_faith : now laughs @ chain.
deadman_932 : indon: yes, your brain produces hallucinations on it's own
metaphoricalcat : ` Radar :X
rev_sara_the_demon_child : nutin: If you flash, that's your business, and that really isn't too sexual. Some people think being flashed is an insult. I'm talking about just sitting there naked, letting anyone view you w ho wants to. That;'s cheap and slutty....to me, anyway. Not to everyone
deadman_932 : sure
nutinsspittles : Chain you never played strip poker >?
radardog : eats some cookies.
chaz_computer_links : God made the arm he can make another one.
radardog : ¶ Hi all.
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, lying for jesus are we?
boy_scout_josh : So which is it? Does god want all people to be saved and come to have knowledge of the truth, as stated in 1 Timothy? Or does he want some people to believe lies and be damned, as stated in 2 Thessalonians? Both views are found in the bible, but they cannot both be true.
the_chainsawpsycho : Nutin: No, I haven't. : (
iconoclastologist : « chaz saw an grow back, and next, water into wine?
deadman_932 : we know that, you know that..whether it's dream states, i dunno
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, actually he didn't make the arm. we grow arms in the womb.
iconoclastologist : « an arm^
rendermaster : josh, stop the cutting and pasting
reason_over_faith : nut, with the other men in his unit? SURE!!
Munkey_Atheist : N Is chain talking boot having sex on cam?
Munkey_Atheist : gags.
reason_over_faith : munk :X
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, apparently your parents haven't talked to you about the birds and the bees yet.
boy_scout_josh : 1 Kings 22:23: "Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee."
indondasani : dead; of course, that would mean that anyone who is dying could be experiencing an "NDE"... and it's just that only a few people are remembering them.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : Lol, sex on cam. That's more pathetic than dating someone online
Munkey_Atheist : N Reason:X bend over!
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : I hope chaz got this arm growing back miracle on film.
nutinsspittles : oh boy
chaz_computer_links : God can do anything he wants.
rendermaster : lol
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:42:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
radardog : ¶ Chain and Munk having sex on cam?
gremlin_net : 'gremlin_net : madd_socialist: this is an easy question. Everyone knows what dragons are. Do they exist?'
iconoclastologist : « Did anyone save my profile picture?
korn_goth_slave_4ever666 : hey
hunter_the_crazychick : Aww, Kitty's 'tarded....
boy_scout_josh : 2Ch. 18:21 I will go and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets, he said. You will succeed in enticing him, said the LORD. `Go and do it.
So God wanted to influence a King of the time, and so he sent a spirit to lie.
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, that's nice. he hasn't grown arms on people, though.
indondasani : I wonder what the ratio of lucid dreamers is.
deadman_932 : i prefer what we do know over guesswork until support is found
metaphoricalcat : ` I don't see a problem with dating online.
rendermaster : and why is your god the only possible god, chaz?
iconoclastologist : « I need a copy.
reason_over_faith : radar, I know. They are silly kike that
metaphoricalcat : looks at hunter
rendermaster : because you say so?
rendermaster : or your bible says so?
deadman_932 : good question, indon
hunter_the_crazychick : Kitty: not you. Zombi.
nutinsspittles : Chaz>> how would you know what god can and can not do ?
rev_sara_the_demon_child : how can you date someone without physical contact?
deadman_932 : one out of 5?
chaz_computer_links : I seen it, myself.
william_pride2000 : wants a savannah cat
metaphoricalcat : ` What's she doing?
boy_scout_josh : Ezekiel 14:9 tells us: "And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet..."
So sometimes it is necessary to give false prophecy! ...
deadman_932 : that's about 17%
metaphoricalcat : ` Sara- Why does dating require physical contact?
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, no, you haven't.
hunter_the_crazychick : Kitty: rolling around on her back in my lap making weird noises and looking at me.
Munkey_Atheist : N how can you go on a date on a computer?
kainebrood : that scrp is talkink about the prophets of baal
reason_over_faith : sara, sure, But then. How can you still be married to someone in the military who is overseas?
rev_sara_the_demon_child : "dating: implies "going out" which implies "going places together". That's not the same as talking to someone online
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, i'm offended that you think we'd be stupid enough to believe such bullshit.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:43:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
radardog : ¶ Is physical contact required to date? For me, online dating seems possible BUT online love was, at least for me, painful.
the_chainsawpsycho : Woody: People can fall in love, and experience the range of emotions, without ever actually meeting the other person.
iconoclastologist : « hey josh, god puts a lying tongue in the mouth of his prophets.
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : Someone growing a limb back would have been front page news. Somehow I don't believe you, chaz.
chaz_computer_links : I cannot deny what I seen, you words can't make me disbelieve.
metaphoricalcat : ` Though, personally, I don't "date" at all. I find it a silly idea. If I like hanging out with someone, then I do, if I don't.
kainebrood : use your scripts in context
rev_sara_the_demon_child : internet dating = talking to someone on the computer a lot.
boy_scout_josh : PLEASE UNDERSTAND BEFORE ANYONE CALLS ME NAMES, I DO THESE POSTS TO MAKE MYSELF AND OTHERS THINK, TO FIND TRUTH, AND TO SEE MORE THAN ONE SIDE OF A COIN SO TO SPEAK!
somersetcase1 : "chaz_computer_links: God can do anything he wants." I got a vision of some supreme being tapping his foot, with his arms folded, making a funny face and saying, "Whatever! I do what I want!"
somersetcase1 : ;-)
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, i don't have to deny it. both of us know you've never seen such a thing.
metaphoricalcat : ` Sara- It's not the "same", but the emotions and psychological bond are still there.
rendermaster : josh, that is what the authors of the bible claim, too
reason_over_faith : sara, okay. What if you all do meet?
rendermaster : but cutting and pasting is not acceptable
nutinsspittles : WOODY>>I had a very good friend that met his wife online, they talked for over two years before they actually met in person , the have been married for over 5 years now
chaz_computer_links : Sorry, but I did
kainebrood : you are full of crap josh
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:44:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
the_chainsawpsycho : Kitty: Yeah, you miss out on the whole pheromone thing.
boy_scout_josh : KJV Kainebrood
gremlin_net : boy_scout_josh: see that key between the Tab and the Shift? Tap it once. That will eliminate a lot of namecalling....
rendermaster : if you wish to debate an issue, then do so
Munkey_Atheist : N man, I just tried to fart and shit my pants!
Munkey_Atheist : N I hate that when that happens.
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, why do you think we're stupid enough to believe your lie?
reason_over_faith : Sara, also, you never answered me about married people having their spouses overseas for a year or more.
nutinsspittles : it happens more often than you think
xombiediabhal : move on already.
rendermaster : so what else is new, munkey?
the_chainsawpsycho : Munkey: You old bastard.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : nutin: That's cool, but they weren't "dating" online. Talking doesn't mean dating
hunter_the_crazychick : Munk: stupid....
iconoclastologist : « My head grew back after being gillotined.
Munkey_Atheist : N :))
rev_sara_the_demon_child : reason: A million people are talking to me at once
metaphoricalcat : ` Chain- I think people make up for it with their imagination.... at least, in my experience.
kainebrood : you are not reading the whole damn passage
madd_socialist : haha
iconoclastologist : « LOL.
xombiediabhal : esotericx10, and he's still trying to convince people of that lie.
boy_scout_josh : I have about 5 bibles Kainebrood :D
Munkey_Atheist : N I'm just kidding by the way :|
reason_over_faith : I do not care about them sara. Answer me damnit!!!
reason_over_faith : :P
nutinsspittles : they considered themselves exclusive to each other for a good portion of the two years,
deadman_932 : i know quite a few couples that met online and got married..about 6 so far..the ratio of successful relationships is pretty dismal online, though, it seems to me
the_chainsawpsycho : Kitty: The imagination can often be better than the real thing. ;)
metaphoricalcat : ` Yes indeed, Chain.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:45:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
kainebrood : I have 12
the_chainsawpsycho : sells Kitty some trashy romance novels
rendermaster : sure he is, kaine - the message doesn't change; his cutting and pasting is annoying, but that the bible contains a large number of contradictions is 100% correct
metaphoricalcat : giggles
iconoclastologist : « chaz, I don't believe in lies. You do.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : chain: oy, marriage is a legal bond. Dating isn't. Internet dating also isn't
metaphoricalcat : ` I don't like romance novels.
Fastillion : [ In Saudi Arabis, all dating is done by cell phone. The guys do not even know what the girls look like.
reason_over_faith : radar, to you, courtship is seeing the same prostitute more than once. SHut the fuck up;.
the_chainsawpsycho : Woody: Is dating in real life?
Fastillion : [ Arabia*
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, why are you still going with that lie? i know you never saw any such thing, and you know you never saw any such thing.
spooklee2006 : true romance is dead
somersetcase1 : My sister is married to someone she met on-line, and so far, so good, but then it's not like marriage rates OFF line are all that successful.
rendermaster : it is, spooklee?
xombiediabhal : do you think i'm 8 or something?
kainebrood : the passage in 2chron. is about false prophets
nutinsspittles : Fastillion >> that would really suck
rendermaster : I don't think so, spooklee
xombiediabhal : that repeating the lie is going to make me believe it?
xombiediabhal : because it isn't.
metaphoricalcat : would rather not see someone.
xombiediabhal : give it up already
rendermaster : kaine, jesus was a false prophet according to most faiths
deadman_932 : somer: i think it's lower online, but i can't show that
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:46:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
metaphoricalcat : ` I think it ruins it. *shrugs* But that's just me
rev_sara_the_demon_child : no chain, dating is not a legal bond
chaz_computer_links : How do you know if I never seen such a thing you where not there.
hunter_the_crazychick : Radar: isn't that where you like, ask permission to call on someone, leave cards, and various other silly bullshit..., and you're only allowed to if the person you're being set up with is one of the ones your parents -- both parents -- mutually picked?
iconoclastologist : « Persistent lying is a Theist Tradition.
Fastillion : [ nutinsspittles, Saudi Arabia does suck. Women are slaves, They cover their faces. They are not allowed to drive. You are expected to have six kids.
rendermaster : icon, persistent lying is a human condition
reason_over_faith : hunter, like I said, he sees the same hooker more than once.
spooklee2006 : why the number six?
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, because people don't grow arms back. you know people don't grow arms back. i know people don't grow arms back. we both know god has never done such a thing. persistence isn't going to pay off here.
spooklee2006 : six kids?
iconoclastologist : « Yes, but only Theists make an industry out of it.
radardog : ¶ Hunter- Something like that. In the good old days you weren't supposed to even touch the girl until marriage, or at lest near that point.
rendermaster : lol
xombiediabhal : give it up already
radardog : ¶ * at least
reason_over_faith : radar, so you practice that?
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:47:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
Fastillion : [ The number six is because that is the average of making your women have as many kids as you can.
chaz_computer_links : That is ilogical to claim I never seen something when I know I did.
rendermaster : brb - phone call
the_chainsawpsycho : Kitty: There is little that can truly replace the feeling of someone's breath as they confer undying devotion. But some things do come close.
radardog : ¶ Reason- Hell no. lol
metaphoricalcat : ` Radar- What was "supposed" to happen, isn't necessary what happened.
xombiediabhal : no, you know that you didn't.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : I'm not saying that in internet relationship CAN'T become a real-life relationship. But honestly, how can you date someone you've never met?
nutinsspittles : FAstillion >> its the misogynystic Doctrine of the gOD of Abraham.
reason_over_faith : radar, so again, shut the fuck up.
deadman_932 : in the 1800's i know of several instances of falling in love by letter
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, what part of "repeating it over and over isn't going to make it true" don't you understand?
nutinsspittles : HEY Finni
metaphoricalcat : ` Chain- I know... but it's special, to me, in my current 'thing'.
boy_scout_josh : But God shouldn't tell anyone to lie Kainebrood. So it don't matter who it is I think, don't you agree?
nutinsspittles : BOB:*
bobwar69 : heyall
iconoclastologist : « chaz, redundant, persistent lying is not a virtue, even for your god.
deadman_932 : at least here, i have a cam
chaz_computer_links : God can grow an arm back that quick
radardog : ¶ Reason- Tell me you love me. :)
somersetcase1 : chaz, if I say that I saw Satan kick Gods ass, and treat him like a woman, would you consider the possibility just because you weren't there to see?
bobwar69 : hi nutin
somersetcase1 : There is a point where claims become silly.
xombiediabhal : i didn't say he couldn't. i said he hasn't, and never will.
bobwar69 : deadman
Fastillion : [ Last year, only 300 new books passed Islamic censorship. By comparison, Spain introduced 17,000 translated foreign books.
bobwar69 : somer
metaphoricalcat : ` Sara- The feelings are there. It's just like RL, you just don't have the physical aspect.
Munkey_Atheist : N isn't radar still a virgin...
deadman_932 : and i can wave my whanger about and be seeeeeen!
bobwar69 : sara
Munkey_Atheist : N I mean with a girl...
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:48:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
bobwar69 : munk
deadman_932 : hey bob!
radardog : ¶ Munk = Right.
somersetcase1 : hey bon
reason_over_faith : Yeah kitty, most guys courting a woman, parked that carriage, had her hoop skirt up to ears, giving her the old heave ho like a champ!!
spooklee2006 : satan can not defeat god
somersetcase1 : bob
iconoclastologist : « chaz, oh sure, god can do anything we imagine.
spooklee2006 : it is impossable
reason_over_faith : Munk, so he says.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : kitty: But still, all you're doing is talking online.
the_chainsawpsycho : Woody: Talking to each other in voice, on the phone, seeing cams, having a person's undivided attention... they are pretty strong connections sometimes.
xombiediabhal : god could turn us all into gazelles, too. but that doesn't mean he's done it before.
metaphoricalcat : ` Of course, Reason.
iconoclastologist : « Keyword, I M A G I N E .
somersetcase1 : spooklee, so are arms growing back...So there you go.
reason_over_faith : kitty, damn straight.
metaphoricalcat : ` Sara- So? What is lacking in that?
nutinsspittles : woah>>> reason
metaphoricalcat : ` The bond is still there.
american_psycho@sbcglobal.net : is back
american_psycho@sbcglobal.net : use to love reading about the romance in Ernest Hemingway's novels
reason_over_faith : nut?
Fastillion : [ So many Muslims have dgrees in Islamic philosophy that all the technical jobs in Saudi Arabia are done by 'guest workers' from foreign lands
radardog : ¶ Reason- Are you sure that occured a lot, or are you just making that up?
chaz_computer_links : Mabye ,but all the same I was not there, and saten can't kick Gods ass, cause God can do anything.
nutinsspittles : [-(
bobwar69 : josh>>please stop that shit
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:49:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
bobwar69 : ty
spooklee2006 : satan is an impefect being god is a being who is unlimited in his state of perfection
kainebrood : boy scout is in danger of eternal pain
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, i don't remember anyone mentioning satan kicking god's ass.
iconoclastologist : « chaz, are you 15?
metaphoricalcat : has to put the rice in the fridge; brb
chaz_computer_links : You did.
the_chainsawpsycho : I personally feel that there can be authentic exchanges between people online. I'm not shortsided enough to say that it is all flawed, simply because a number of people online act like losers.
nutinsspittles : spook satan is a myth character
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, we're atheists. we don't believe in god OR satan
kainebrood : he changes the words of the bible
madd_socialist : grem its obvious that you baited me into a one-sided argument. gremlin : "madd do you know what dragons are,everyone knows what a dragon is", ok now of course everyone should know what a dragon is, given the dictionary definition of one, however grem you knew off back that you had a different understanding of a dragon, therefore grem its you fault for not stating the question in a more specific prose
esotericx10 : I don't suppose that it would occur to any xtian that God could cancel all of existence on a whim which means NONE of you fuckers would get the eternal life that you lust after....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
bobwar69 : spooklee>>if your god is so perfect,how come he could find adam and eve when they were hiding in the garden??
chaz_computer_links : Nope I am 29
xombiediabhal : he's 15.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:50:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
nutinsspittles : LOL Bob
xombiediabhal : or he's an auto mechanic.
bobwar69 : josh>>please dont make me iggy your ass
iconoclastologist : « eso, LOL
chaz_computer_links : then your 12
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, what university did you go to?
reason_over_faith : radar, I am sure it happened more than one would think. I once saw an exhibit of pornography in San Francsiso. There was a picture movie that dated back to 1874 on display there. So to say that society back then was TOTALLY against being open about sexuality is rather funny.
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : chaz, you haven't bred yet, have you?
madd_socialist : grem nice strawman
hunter_the_crazychick : tells mad to 'state that in a more coherent manner, please'
somersetcase1 : chaz, So you believe, and that's fine..I believe that arms can not grow back, so when someone claims to have seen it, I doubt them, and do not believe. The point is, that on the one hand you say it's illogical to consider YOUR claim immpossible, but NOT illogical to consider MY claim illogical...It's a double standard.
iconoclastologist : « chaz, then grow up with your childish make belief.
spooklee2006 : sasatan comes across like a myth because pepole over the ages made him seem ugly or unreal to scare little kids but the truth is he is a fallen angel
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, a 12 year old anthropology student would be quite a feat.
rendermaster : if anyone has read the bible, they'd notice that sexuality wasn't exactly a new thing at that time, either
boy_scout_josh : Okay
rev_sara_the_demon_child : But you don't really know a person online. All you know is what they tell you. I know it can be that way IRL too, but at least you can talk to other people who know that person, you can check up on them in other ways IRL that you can't do online
chaz_computer_links : Since we are on the assuming trip here, so you are 12
hunter_the_crazychick : sees nothing from Gremlin, let alone a 'straw man'.
deadman_932 : reason: right after the daguerrotype was invented, there are reports of nude photos
Fastillion : [ Pat Robertson just said that women are manipulative and corrupt and even his own staff were shocked by his evil bullshit.
rendermaster : in fact, rather blatant sexuality and sexual practice
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:51:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
hunter_the_crazychick : HOw odd.
boy_scout_josh : What is wrong with it Bob?
hunter_the_crazychick : Hallucinations, now. Fascinating. Someone broke him...
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, i'm 20.
nutinsspittles : Fastillion >> that man is so evil
rendermaster : lol hunter
iconoclastologist : « I was a chrisitan, then I got sane.
chaz_computer_links : No you not, your 12
the_chainsawpsycho : Woody: You can do things like run background checks, verify things stated in chat, etc.
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, so what university did you go to?
blk502003 : Eso....God will off mankind........have you not heard of armagedon?
rendermaster : so is fast, nut ;)
rev_sara_the_demon_child : chain: It's easier IRL
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: oh, there you are. Great timing. I'd figured you were fully evading the issue....
reason_over_faith : Radar, I think it is rather naive to think that pre-marital sex and sexual promicuity did NOT take place throughout history. The only thing that has changed is that it is not as frowned upon or hidden.
chaz_computer_links : App State
spooklee2006 : sane as in what?you started to think natural
boy_scout_josh : I'm very sorry Bob I didn't Know it was like that :(
the_chainsawpsycho : Woody: It boils down to trust. Many people fall for con artists in real life, without ever having the internet between them.
xombiediabhal : you went to a goddamn community college. what did you study? cooking?
hunter_the_crazychick : tells the cat 'toes aren't food'.
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : chaz, my daughter goes to Appalachian...STAY AWAY FROM HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
deadman_932 : you know, sara..seriously, my view of it is this: even when you live with a person, you're still using words to communicate most of the time. body language and touch apply, but mostly, it's words. and words can be used online, or in a letter ---to get inside that black box that is the " other's" brain...we take a chance either way
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:52:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: so, you know whether dragons exist; but I was mean enough to fool you. Okay; that's a good argument....
nutinsspittles : we all are :) we can be good we can be evil,
radardog : ¶ Reason- I'm sure it did. I'm just not sure how much it did occur.
boy_scout_josh : :DBob;;)
Fastillion : [ rendermaster, is not MAN enough to say anything to my face. That is what matters. He is a defeated adversary and nothing more. He knows his place.
iconoclastologist : « Sane as in reality based thinking as opposed to mythological fantasies.
madd_socialist : grem your the one asking the questions, please make sure they are coherently stated
madd_socialist : i would appreciate it
xombiediabhal : don't waste my time.
reason_over_faith : radar, ask your grandfather.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : I knwo that chain. I jsut think dating online is pretty stupif. YOu're falling for typing on a screen, and a pic if you're lucky
hunter_the_crazychick : 'your the one'?
rendermaster : deadman is right - it is always a chance
metaphoricalcat : ` Gremlin, incoherent?
chaz_computer_links : University, teachers college
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: okay. Do you know what dragons are?
radardog : ¶ Reason- Dead.
boy_scout_josh : I sound like a evil spirit or something :))
rev_sara_the_demon_child : stupid^
reason_over_faith : And it was a joke radar.
hunter_the_crazychick : madd_socialist: COHERENCY. PROPER WORD USAGE! NOW!
spooklee2006 : community college forever doomed to cooking nad auto repair
the_chainsawpsycho : Woody: Not really. Most of the chicks I've been involved with have cams. :P
somersetcase1 : The point was not about satan or God or kicking anyones ass.The point is about claims....I know that arms do not grow back once they are gone, just as YOU know that satan could not defeat God...It's the same thing...It's a matter of substantiating claims..I wouldn't EXPECT you to believe me, and I would hope you wouldn't expect me to believe you.
reason_over_faith : Radar, Umm, old man in your town then.
xombiediabhal : hahahahaha
madd_socialist : yes grem given the dictionary definition of one
rev_sara_the_demon_child : chain: not everyone does
radardog : ¶ Reason- Dead. *laughs*
xombiediabhal : you went to a vocational school. i'm not impressed.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: okay. Do they exist?
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:53:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
reason_over_faith : Radar, I said ANY old man.
iconoclastologist : « Reality sucks.
deadman_932 : i've been fooled by people in real life more often than online.for a number of reasons, but it wasn't due to me being gullible...
reason_over_faith : shut up.
the_chainsawpsycho : Sure, there is the possibility of being lied to. Like when a woman forgets to mention how she's married, but that happens "in real life" as well.
madd_socialist : no grem
chaz_computer_links : Nope I wouldn't expect you to believe me,
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: are you certain?
xombiediabhal : i believe you.
madd_socialist : positive
rev_sara_the_demon_child : chain: true
xombiediabhal : i'm saying i'm not impressed.
hunter_the_crazychick : Uh oh. madd_socialist fucked much up.
hunter_the_crazychick : laughs.
shawn_h76 : you fuckers
shawn_h76 : idiots
chaz_computer_links : Even Jesus himself said how can one believe till they see miricals.
the_chainsawpsycho : Woody: People have fallen in love wioth people they exchange letters to.
shawn_h76 : fuckers
the_chainsawpsycho : with*
Munkey_Atheist : N Chain, I'm married... sorry.
Munkey_Atheist : N :(
shawn_h76 : i love jesus
iconoclastologist : « If some charalatan faked an arm restoration, Thats what you saw.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: good. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dragon&db=* has ''Any of various lizards, such as the Komodo dragon or the flying lizard'; you lose again.
reason_over_faith : But kitty is right. It is rather naive to think the scenario I gave did not indeed happen.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:54:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
hunter_the_crazychick : Gremlin: shall I post the dictionary definition of Dragon for you?
the_chainsawpsycho : Munkey: You bastard. I bet you don't even have a vagina.
Fastillion : [ My chat enemies are sad. They remind me of the people of Pakistan protesting America. The get all worked up with such passion about our war. They cannot comprehend it is one sided. I don't hate them. Why should I? They have nothing on me. They want me to hate them so badly. Pathetic.
reason_over_faith : And maybe more than one would think.
Munkey_Atheist : N I dont :(
shawn_h76 : there is jesus and GOD
nutinsspittles : WB zsa
shawn_h76 : there is jesus and GOD
Munkey_Atheist : N sorry again.
spooklee2006 : yea but chazz they also say blessed are thy who need no proof
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : ty, nutin.
madd_socialist : gremlin wrong that isnt what the merriam webster dictionary states
iconoclastologist : « shawn, where?
nutinsspittles : Shawn>> ok and?
rendermaster : chaz, both the hebrew scripture and the xian new testament itself warn that "miracles" and wonders are signs of FALSE PROPHETS, not true prophets
shawn_h76 : and?
chaz_computer_links : Jesus was logical, thats why its okay to doubt.
nutinsspittles : yes AND?
shawn_h76 : why are you idiots}
madd_socialist : http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: too bad you were 'positive' that 'given the dictionary definition of one', dragons don't exist.
the_chainsawpsycho : needs to teach his rats to eat the neighbor's grandchildren
spooklee2006 : there is more foul evil in hell than the earth
nutinsspittles : how does that affect my life ?
bobwar69 : chaz>>>>wake up you twit,the biblical jesus didnt say or write anything,those words are attributed to him by others who never even met this jesus
shawn_h76 : lol lick my butt
hunter_the_crazychick : Gremlin: it's also: "A fiercely vigilant or intractable person." "Something very formidable or dangerous.", "Archaic. A large snake or serpent." and "A mythical monster traditionally represented as a gigantic reptile having a lion's claws, the tail of a serpent, wings, and a scaly skin."
shawn_h76 : lol lick my butt
shawn_h76 : lol lick my butt
shawn_h76 : lol lick my butt
shawn_h76 : lol lick my butt
american_psycho@sbcglobal.net : Good news: http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/05/green.river.killings/index.html
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:55:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: yes it is. That's *from* MW.
chaz_computer_links : I think you didn't read the whole thing Render
hunter_the_crazychick : "[Middle English, from Old French, from Latin drac, dracn-, large serpent, from Greek drakn. See derk- in Indo-European Roots."
spooklee2006 : just like more joy in the heavens than earth
rendermaster : Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
rendermaster : see?
nutinsspittles : click go away kid
iconoclastologist : « Jesus was not logical, why would be become a human to forgive humans by killing himself?
metaphoricalcat : ` Well, Sara, maybe I can explain it in a way which will make more sense to you... to me, writing is expressing thought, and when I'm chatting online (or writing anything else) it's just putting down pretty much exactly what I'm thinking. Which is why I screw up so much :P but anywho... my current lovebug is also like that. So it's almost MORE honest than RL is, for me. I mean, you can't go around saying everything you're thinking, like one does online.
madd_socialist : gremlin you still havent disproved what i said
rendermaster : it will be by miralces and wonders that the false prophets will DECIEVE
rendermaster : not prove
spooklee2006 : icon he had to be part human
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, he's jewish.
metaphoricalcat : ` Sorry for the long post. I've been doing that a lot today.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: strike that; it's from American Heritage.
hunter_the_crazychick : watches madd_socialist cling dogmatically to the faith required to believe that he's actually won.
iconoclastologist : « Still isn't logical.
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: what did you say that I'm required to disprove?
reason_over_faith : I do!!
spooklee2006 : that is why in the end faith wins out
the_chainsawpsycho : Woody: I generally see their cams or talk to them on the phone before I meet them. I actually learn more about a woman online than I would in a bar or whatnot, in general.
american_psycho@sbcglobal.net : (lines 1 to 4)
I do not have a good memory for their faces. I killed so many women, I have a hard time keeping them straight.
-- Gary Ridgway
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:56:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
reason_over_faith : I say you all fucking suck, to groups I see at the mall!!
rendermaster : the logic is that one shouldn't always believe what one is told or what one sees
metaphoricalcat : nods at Chain
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : It's all about winning.
deadman_932 : chain: agreed, in general
iconoclastologist : « spooklee, faith is a dangerous substitute for truth.
madd_socialist : hunter actually faith is not my cup of tea
nutinsspittles : Faith SPOOK is not exclusive to YOUR lil version of god
chaz_computer_links : Because Jesus was dieing for the sins of the world.
rendermaster : even if it is someone important who is doing the telling
spooklee2006 : but like mosses who saw satan with his natural eyes pretending to be christ he said away from me
rendermaster : chaz, why would that be necessary?
nutinsspittles : CHAZ Human sacrifice is immoral to me
the_chainsawpsycho : Deadman: There are always exceptions. That's why it's prudent to be cautious, and do stuff like meet in a public place.
iconoclastologist : « chaz, but the world was created by Jesus.
gremlin_net : From m-w.com: a dragon is 'something or someone formidable or baneful'.
hunter_the_crazychick : madd_socialist: a cup of tea is a cup of tea; faith is faith; come up with more logical, less overused metaphors. Be original. And coherent.
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:57:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
rendermaster : human sacrifice was immoral and forbidden for jews, too
deadman_932 : i think a lot of it has to do withthe fact that distance prevents leaping ahead without thinking, for me
rendermaster : which is why the idea of jesus' blood saving the worl dwas so repugnant
indondasani : is away (Away)
nutinsspittles : Spook noone not even you can tell anyone what Moses may have said its all hearsay
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: then lose your faith that you know everything, in fact and outside of it.
iconoclastologist : « So, he created a world of sin, so he could send people to the hell he created, ?
justphil : Hello All
rev_sara_the_demon_child : chain: would you meet me IRL? this is not an invitation :P
bobwar69 : chaz>>please provide one peice of evidence other the the NT that verifies that your jesus ever existed
reason_over_faith : chain, that or lock them in your basement and torture them till they talk!!
metaphoricalcat : ` Gremlin- I don't know if he's said this or not, to you. But madd_socialist thinks that the person on the positive end, regardless of who is making the claim, has to have the proof. Aka, he can say "Dragons don't exist", and the proof would still lay with you, even though you made no claims, simply asked him for evidence.
rev_sara_the_demon_child : but knowing what you know about me, would you?
the_chainsawpsycho : Deadman: I have read reports of guys getting mugged when they think they are meeting a chick from online. It's pretty rare, though.
nutinsspittles : HI Phil
chaz_computer_links : Because adam sined, and God requiered a rightous replacement to die for that sin.
rendermaster : no, chaz
rendermaster : wrong again
nutinsspittles : CHAZ>>> HUMAN SAcrifice IS Immoral to MY VIEWS
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : chaz claims he saw an arm grow back. Pardon me if I don't take anything he says seriously.
madd_socialist : grem whats the point of your argument
the_chainsawpsycho : Woody: I already said I'd meet you sometime. I've known you for years, now. :P
nutinsspittles : do you UNDERSTAND that
hunter_the_crazychick : Kitty: and everyone who isn't him is whatever he's strawmanned an agnostic into....
somersetcase1 : chaz, even if that was true, that would be human sacrifice.
spooklee2006 : the problem is where so stuck in our natural senes we can not fully comprehend what faith trully is
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:58:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
deadman_932 : my biggest mistakes have been in leaping ahead and not taking the time to find out they were who they said they were..and that seems to happen OFF line more often
rendermaster : adam and even didn't sin, since they did not yet have the knowledge of good and evil
madd_socialist : its going nowhere
rev_sara_the_demon_child : lol, years eh??
chaz_computer_links : Its not up to you.
metaphoricalcat : ` *nods at Hunter*
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, the sacrifice of jesus did not relieve mankind of original sin.
iconoclastologist : « Chaz, Thats mythology, there is no real Adam and Eve.
reason_over_faith : fuck thunderstorm!!
nutinsspittles : YES it IS CHAZ
rendermaster : how could they sin without knowing good and evil?
xombiediabhal : chaz_computer_links, the sacrifice of jesus did not relieve mankind of original sin.
deadman_932 : chain: i don't trust many people anyway
the_chainsawpsycho : Woody: Yeah, it's been about two years, hasn't it?
rendermaster : it is up to us, chaz
radardog : ¶ Reason- There was one here too.
metaphoricalcat : ` Reason, is it going to storm?
rev_sara_the_demon_child : somehing like that
rendermaster : that si why God gave us a brain
nutinsspittles : ITS not up to YOU to decide for me
bobwar69 : spook>>>faith= the excuse of the man to lazy to investigate
metaphoricalcat : hasn't heard any thunder yet
somersetcase1 : spooklee, come on..We know what faith is..It is the illusion of things hoped for..It is pretending that what you WANT to be true, really IS true, whether it's true or not.
spooklee2006 : adam and eve made a mastake they sorta sined but had no aweareness
lenorapandora : oops crap i have some research to do for jd
lenorapandora : bbl
the_chainsawpsycho : Deadman: I don't worry about it much. I have insurance. hehehehehehe
madd_socialist : haha
spooklee2006 : bob one can say the opposite as well
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:59:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
rendermaster : faith is a nice idea, but too many people use faith as an answer for everything, instead of a point from which to ask questions
madd_socialist : hunter & gremlin must be boyfreind and girlfriend
chaz_computer_links : If God requiers a blood sacrafice, then its up to him.
radardog : would comment on all of this faith talk, but fears everything would be started again. :-P
rendermaster : God doesn't chaz
bobwar69 : spook>>do you have half a brain??
boy_scout_josh : James I like thunderstorms. Are you prepared for it:-/
hunter_the_crazychick : madd_socialist: got a lot of faith in that, doncha....
madd_socialist : radar haha
rendermaster : a blood sacrifice was NEVER the only way to atone fo rsin
metaphoricalcat : ` I don't have the patience for having to get off the computer right now due to a storm. I have schoolwork to do.
iconoclastologist : « chaz, gods are mythological, do you know the difference?
nutinsspittles : CHAZ>>> actually its your problem he is YOUR god not mine
objective_reactant : thats kinda sick
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : radar = trouble maker.
reason_over_faith : Kitty, that is because you are further east.
metaphoricalcat : ` Indeed, Radar. Best to just stay quiet. ~.o
esotericx10 : is away (Away)
gerald_odell2002 : The Churches
Jeremiah, 28:16; Therefore thus saith the Holy Almighty God; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast taught rebellion against the Holy Almighty God.
Jeremiah, 28:17; So Hananiah the prophet died the same year in the seventh month.
Note, As they the Church, has abandon the true faith for the Holy Almighty Father God our Creator of the Universe to follow a Spiritual, false messiah gods and image and to WORSHIP the image of a Spiritually dead false counterfeits messiah as a deity to the God of this world and to consider you so not have to give up your sins and just give worship of sacrifice to atone for all sins would be to separate myself from the eternal Creator forever, because of lies of a very smart serpent
spooklee2006 : sacrafice like abe god whanted him to see like what it i would be like to give up his only son
nutinsspittles : human sacrifice is IMMORAL no matter how you try to justify IT
madd_socialist : madd 10, gremlin 0
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:00:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1
chaz_computer_links : Do you now speak for God in whom you don't believe in in the first place, not logical.
metaphoricalcat : ` I know I am. But I need to know if it's coming.
iconoclastologist : « Gerald, no preaching in here.
radardog : ¶ Need to go!
madd_socialist : anyway
nutinsspittles : and you can claim to be MORAL???? :))
metaphoricalcat : ` Bye radar :X
hunter_the_crazychick : madd_socialist: funny; I've got a transcript that just proved you to be nothing more than a doubly-pathetic Brenton Spears clone....
reason_over_faith : I do not see radar now.
rendermaster : cutting and pasting large paragraphs don't do any good - the room moves too fast and no one reads them anyway
madd_socialist : grem the position of an agnostics is to go around in circles
reason_over_faith : What did he do now sandy?
gremlin_net : madd_socialist: the point of my argument is that you are agnostic. You just don't realise it, because that's one of the things you don't know. Either you're a moron, or a liar; but you don't appear to get that you are 'without knowledge'.
metaphoricalcat : ` I think he's leaving anyway, Reason.
gerald_odell2002 : The Churches
Jeremiah, 28:16; Therefore thus saith the Holy Almighty God; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast taught rebellion against the Holy Almighty God.
Jeremiah, 28:17; So Hananiah the prophet died the same year in the seventh month.
Note, As they the Church, has abandon the true faith for the Holy Almighty Father God our Creator of the Universe to follow a Spiritual, false messiah gods and image and to WORSHIP the image of a Spiritually dead false counterfeits messiah as a deity to the God of this world and to consider you so not have to give up your sins and just give worship of sacrifice to atone for all sins would be to separate myself from the eternal Creator forever, because of lies of a very smart serpent
somersetcase1 : Fith is not even a nice idea...If you happen to have faith in something that is true, then great, that'swonderful, but nothing can be more harmful than having faith in a falsehood...Look at 9-11 after all..You can't fault those piolets faith..How many people who give up their lives for what they believe, can be faulted for not having faith?
madd_socialist : i have no time to go around in circles with you
nutinsspittles : CHAZ> Im not telling what your god wants >> you are doing that
gremlin_net : Time to go post the transcript of this....
boy_scout_josh : Yahoo can be an audio nightmare sometimes :(
LOG DATA Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:01:45 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN DEBATE:1