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Posted by Gremlin [12.211.200.127 - 12-211-200-127.client.attbi.com] on 12 July 2003 at 20.08.44 ZuluTime:
This won't need much of a setup; it's pretty linear. Although it might not hurt to read it over twice.
For those wanting to save some time, the shorthand is that scotsmantroll is still an unctuous fucking fraud.
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:24:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1 --Gremlin
golconda2.rm : grem, why 255.255.255.255?
gremlin_net : m0rethananangel: there's no need to disprove the unproved, Fraud.
golconda2.rm : m0re, the burden of proof is on the BELIEVER
hunter_the_crazychick : golconda: above the set limit for an IP address.
demiurge_nt : m0re: evidence of a negative?? Are you retarded?
nightprowler82 : salient..unfortunately people may not be as strong as you...But is it such a bad thing if people attribute recooperation to faith
gremlin_net : golconda2.rm: because no IP Address on Earth is higher than that.
waytoomuchof : m0re: evidence that something is not isn't required. The onus of proof is on those who claim something "is".
demiurge_nt : faith is a disease
nightprowler82 : or quite drinking due to faith and helping
golconda2.rm : grem & hunter, thanx, I was unaware of that
nyettiprincess : the evidence that there is no god is apparentin that the god does not admit evidence to itself
scotsmanmatt : demiurge_nt: you don't know it's possible to prove a negative?
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:25:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : golconda2.rm: an IP Address of 256.256.256.256 would be like a zipcode of 123456.
m0rethananangel : waytomuch... hm well, the evidence for me is the creation
nightprowler82 : faih is capable of uniting people
demiurge_nt : nightprowler: Stopping drinking can be good, trading drinking for another addiction is not.
salient2 : m0rethananangel: I wouldn't base a belief on the lack of the ability of others to prove me wrong. I would hope my beliefs have a more solid foundation.
hunter_the_crazychick : Or actually having the phone number of 555-1212
nightprowler82 : some addictions arent self destructing
m0rethananangel : Salient right
demiurge_nt : nightprowler: Faith is also capable of causing genocide...look at Nazi Germany
fear_n0_evil : By not believing in God, you do not think yourself to be God's creature. And not believing in God you do not think the universe has been created by God. That is to say, you think of yourself and the world as just being there. :-S
demiurge_nt : nightprowler: name ONE
nightprowler82 : that was nazi's fault
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:26:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : It's true there's no burden of proof upon the weak atheist but they then become of little value to the theist who is seeking evidence that their theism should be abandoned.
gremlin_net : m0rethananangel: there's no evidence for creation, Fraud. As for evidence *against* creation, matter/energy can't be created or destroyed. But I've already explained that to you; if you've forgotten already, then you're clinically retarded as well as fraudulent.
xombiediabhal : demi, that was actually caused by paranoia and economy.
nyettiprincess : why doesnt god just let everyone know its reality?
demiurge_nt : nightprowler: No, that was FAITH
nightprowler82 : faith..it doesnt cause alcolhol poisoning
golconda2.rm : demi, or the Crusades, or the Inquisition, or Al-Queda, or the PLO, for that matter
fear_n0_evil : Now if you actually are God's creature, then your present attitude is very unfair to Him. In that case it is even an insult to Him. .....:-O
m0rethananangel : the proof is the creationt
m0rethananangel : creation
demiurge_nt : golconda: I'm trying to keep it simple. ;)
nightprowler82 : Adolph hitler himself was jewish
waytoomuchof : what is creation? You can point to this planet or universe and say "somebody had to create it", yet, the evidence says it evolved from a big bang (amongst others). If your god did create everything, what has he not left any tangible evidence of his existance? To point this out and say "somebody had to create it" is inuendo, not proof
gremlin_net : m0rethananangel: so the proof of your deity is that creation is a sad joke. Okay.
agn0stic_and_atheist : [rolls eyes at 'proof is in the creation' and giggles]
golconda2.rm : m0re, if everything MUST have a creator, what created your god?
demiurge_nt : nightprowler: LOL...he was baptised Catholic
gremlin_net : nightprowler82: no he wasn't.
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:27:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
salient2 : the term "just being there" is of course a strawman
nightprowler82 : his mother was jewish
scotsmanmatt : everything doesn't need to have a creator only things that begin to exist
gremlin_net : nightprowler82: no she wasn't.
m0rethananangel : golconda: I dunno, it seems that nobody created him, his name is Eternal
cockafella_30 : Dusty
jp_holding2000 : there are 2 ways to learn. instruction and experience. it is best to learn by instruction first
m0rethananangel : so,
feces_faery : cocka
gremlin_net : If deities ever begin to exist, they'll require a creator.
m0rethananangel : something or someone eternal has no begining
nyettiprincess : what' because something simply exists you claim it was made by your god?
waytoomuchof : m0re: Incorrect. According to Exodus, god's name is Jealous
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:28:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
golconda2.rm : m0re, OK then, why couldn't the UNIVERSE be "eternal?'
gremlin_net : m0rethananangel: like the universe and the matter/energy within it, you mean.
m0rethananangel : not by our god, but by the only one God
nightprowler82 : No..damn it quite turning me back into one
fear_n0_evil : And having insulted God, His displeasure rests upon you. God and you are not on "speaking terms." And you have very good reasons for trying to prove that He does not exist...:(.. Which why you spent time opposing the those who do have faith in God.
demiurge_nt : m0re: So the eternal universe has no beginning? Great, so there's no need for your silly god.
the_perilous_moletrap : ha ha dusty you and your names
feces_faery : kitty?
m0rethananangel : Waytoomuch, God has a lot of name
nightprowler82 : you aint wrong for believing god doesnt exist
m0rethananangel : golconda, do I know? it is made this way
cockafella_30 : Dusty, have you been playing literati?
demiurge_nt : Who said "gods don't exist"?
scotsmanmatt : The universe *could* be eternal but that would need to justified as scientifically/philosophically as parsimonious as an eternal God if it is to be considered on the same basis.
nightprowler82 : but niether are people for needing to believe
nyettiprincess : why should it have to be a godthing that created things?
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:29:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
feces_faery : no. Can you believe feces_fairy was TAKEN?
nightprowler82 : you cant change that
salient2 : m0rethananangel: why invent this god myth, which is more complicated than the nature you are trying to explain in the first place?
waytoomuchof : m0re: no, god doesn't have lots of names. Read your book
nightprowler82 : uless your willing to pull an adolph
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: the universe is known to exist in fact. You'll have to prove deities to exist in fact before the two can be equal.
nightprowler82 : if you reLLY TAKE YOUR BELIEFE TO THE EXTREME
demiurge_nt : nightprowler: Ever hear of Jim Jones? Faith CAN kill!
feces_faery : Krischen :YES we do.
m0rethananangel : Waytoomuch, what is making you say that he does not have a lot of name?
feces_faery : We know it from EXPERIENCE
nightprowler82 : sorry for the caps
feces_faery : not the bible
fear_n0_evil : If He does exist, He will punish you for your disregard of Him. :-O You are therefore wearing rose colored glasses. And this determines everything you say about the facts and reasons for not believing in Him........ #-o
jp_holding2000 : this room is such tomfoolery
feces_faery : This is NOT special revelation
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:30:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
demiurge_nt : fear: And Odin will punish you for your disregard of Him.
m0rethananangel : because of the bible, and the scripture in it
nightprowler82 : Religions have needed fine tuning
scotsmanmatt : gremlin_net: God is as much a fact to theists as the universe is....an assertion by an atheist to the contrary is fine and good for them but offers nothing persuasive to the theist.
golconda2.rm : The bible is too permeated with contradictions, falsehoods, and other irrationalities to be considered evidence of anything other than the gullibility of humanity
agn0stic_and_atheist : yeah, "God is real and He will punish those who don't believe He is real..." the psychological 'logic-value' of that is perfect.
demiurge_nt : Is krischen claiming her "personal truth" is based on something substantial?? WHAT?
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: facts don't rely on popular approval. They rely on the scientific method. That theists don't know what facts are is immaterial to this.
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:31:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
nightprowler82 : not everything is meant to be answered
m0rethananangel : whi contradiction and falsehoods?
salient2 : fear_n0_evil: you could say the same thing of fairies, genies, leprechauns or any of the thousands of other myths man has invented
yakishu : GOD=Generator Operator Destructor :):):)
scotsmanmatt : The Bible contains far less contradictions and errors than atheists/skeptics think.
golconda2.rm : m0re, you want me to fill the screen with them? I could, there are so many of them...
nightprowler82 : the bible was written in 5th grade education
yakishu : ..this ain't necessarily my thoughts though/ ;)
nyettiprincess : the facts and reasons or NOT believing in a social constuct?
waytoomuchof : m0re: go here and you'll see some:
http://www.dimensional.com/~randl/tcont.htm
nyettiprincess : construct
scotsmanmatt : gremlin_net: Science cannot prove all facts....when you learn that you'll understand why I remain unconvinced by an assertion that they do.
demiurge_nt : m0re: I've supplied you with exhaustive lists in here before, ignorance won't make them go away. :D
m0rethananangel : golconda, it would be more respectfull to give it to me in private
jp_holding2000 : amen scottsman. i found zero contradiction if you discard small copyist errors
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:32:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
demiurge_nt : jp: So you actually believe the earth is flat?! :O
nightprowler82 : christianity itself has roots in zorastrism
salient2 : fear_n0_evil: and extortion is never a good reson for belief anyway.
salient2 : reason
scotsmanmatt : jp_holding2000: I didn't say, 'zero contradiction'..there are errors in the Bible..just far less than atheists/skeptics think.
nightprowler82 : like islam
nyettiprincess : its a social construct
feces_faery : Agreed Evil
golconda2.rm : m0re, so you can weasel your way out in private? No way!
waytoomuchof : jp: you believe in unicorns? You believe that people with physical defects should not be allowed in church?
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:33:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
cockafella_30 : babe , would you like a game?
xombiediabhal : -
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: science needn't prove all facts for this. It's already proved--easily--that the universe exists in fact. Deities have not been proved to exist in fact by any means. Therefore the fact that the universe exists is far more stable than the myth that deities exist.
jp_holding2000 : demiurge: the bible never says it was flat. hebrew idiom does not count. if i say the sun rises I do not necessarily mean the sun rises
demiurge_nt : krischen: Human perspective made the gods, yours included.
feces_faery : KRISCHEN if you cant rely on human perspective you CANT rely on the Bible
feces_faery : You stupid cunt
feces_faery : You just defeated your OWN agrument :))
smokey0384 : haha
nightprowler82 : its people who change the truth through time
demiurge_nt : jp: Ah, but if you say "The sun was stopped in its trek about the earth" you ARE saying something different from fact.
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:34:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
smokey0384 : krischen, ive kinda fucked urself over there
golconda2.rm : feces, is krischen spewing her bilge on voice now?
smokey0384 : uve*
xombiediabhal : 8 oz cans of coke > jesus
demiurge_nt : smokey: "you've"
scotsmanmatt : gremlin_net: As I said...there are matters upon which science cannot and does not speak but which are factual nontheless..to a theist God is one of those things....and asserting that he isn't or shouldn't be considered without any supporting arguments is non-persuasive.
nyettiprincess : if man was made in gods image'how come some people are not aware of their own 'godness'?
cockafella_30 : wait , "i never met a dumb woman"
nightprowler82 : people were given free will
jp_holding2000 : scotssman: other than trivial copyist errors i have never found one contradiction in the bible and i have looked
scotsmanmatt : *nonetheless
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: name a fact which science can't or won't speak upon.
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:35:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
demiurge_nt : jp: Are you illiterate?? We just posted some of them!
waytoomuchof : jp: http://www.dimensional.com/~randl/tcont.htm
jesstechthegreat : jp what are copyist errors?
m0rethananangel : golconda, why do you refuse to send it to me in private
golconda2.rm : grem, why do you feed the troll?
smokey0384 : baji is a jew
m0rethananangel :
smokey0384 : yo naji
m0rethananangel : are you that ANGRy with me
yakishu : Hey r u guys just fighting for the sake of it??...or trying to realy get some meaning out of all this?
demiurge_nt : "other than the errors and contradictions I ignore, there aren't any"<----see the problem here, jp and scots? :D
gremlin_net : golconda2.rm: to expose him to the newcomers who aren't yet aware that he's an unctuous fraud.
agn0stic_and_atheist : yakishu - both.
scotsmanmatt : jp_holding2000: that's because it is possible to rationalise away any alleged error by resort to mind-bending, ad hoc reasoning....
golconda2.rm : m0re, because I do not do these types of conversations in private, I am not angry with you, just suspicious
yakishu : lol@agn...I know ;)
m0rethananangel : kishu, its hard to find peacefull conversation here
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:36:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : golconda2.rm: and, of course, an evasive coward.
m0rethananangel : golconda ok
fear_n0_evil : I am not proving that God exist................;).................. I am illustrating the aheist effort to prove he does not exist............An argument I did not make and a question I did not ask. The atheists preach Gods non-existence without need of question......... It is done, by the atheist to protect that persons vested interest......... There had better not be a God , and if there is, it better not be the Christian God, or else ...........>:)...........??????????
feces_faery : lol Krischen I humored you
yakishu : ..this is the essence of being human...;)
feces_faery : YOU threw it out
jp_holding2000 : waytoomuch: i have already read those list put out by atheists. i remain thoroughly unconvinced. see explanations at: www.inerrrancy.org and www.tektonics.org
feces_faery : Not me!
demiurge_nt : Kishu: This is a debate room, get over it
golconda2.rm : grem, fair enough, keep at it, then! :-/
yakishu : yep more...alas thats the truth
nyettiprincess : how come atheists have coversation but christians have ceremony?
scotsmanmatt : gremlin_net: science cannot speak to that which a person experiences in the natural world but for which no evidence remains
krischen0000 : I was speaking to feces..evii
smokey0384 : ang, i'm gettin worried about you mate, you have been talkin to someone called yahikshu for past hour, but i don't see him writing
nightprowler82 : Whos preaching?
jp_holding2000 : scotsman: i have neve found a bible verse that required mind bending
smokey0384 : i think ur goin' a bit cuckoo 8-} all ur in head ang
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:37:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
m0rethananangel : alas?
gremlin_net : Oh well. While we wait for scotsmantroll to name a fact which science can't or won't speak upon, where were we....
smokey0384 : ang, i'm gettin worried about you mate, you have been talkin to someone called yahikshu for past hour, but i don't see him writing
scotsmanmatt : jp_holding2000: then you haven't looked hard enough
feces_faery : Evil the prolly doesnt care wither
feces_faery : either
greg_humphrey20032003 :
fear_n0_evil : Denial ain't just a river in Egypt
xombiediabhal : gremlin, is it just me, or is guinness extra stout fucking horrible?
greg_humphrey20032003 :
krischen0000 : wait, I have to leave and come back.....hang on
jp_holding2000 : scottsman: i have spent days
yakishu : Hey demi...who said that I've to 'get over it'...Im luving it pal..it seems u hurry making conclusions
yakishu : ;)
agn0stic_and_atheist : smokey0384 - that's not uncommon, I don't know the technical reasons, but you should be surprised to find that your list doesn't show everyone in the room.
waytoomuchof : jp: oh, well, if you're just going to ignore what the bible says, or provide quick side-steps, then you have invalidated yourself. If the site is atheist or not, the truth is the truth. That is just a small list
smokey0384 : lol gremlin
gremlin_net : xombiediabhal: it can be. It's one of those strange lagers which are better cold, and which really have to be dumped out into a glass.
scotsmanmatt : jp_holding2000: I have spent years...when you catch up let me know if you hold to the same view
agn0stic_and_atheist : *shouldn't
salient2 : greg_humphrey20032003 (bullett) has been placed into the Y!TunnelPro Super Iggy Bin for booting!
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:38:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
smokey0384 : ang, sometimes the names in the list, are different nicknames to the ones that come in chat
nightprowler82 : thats the trouble with beliefe's. Your always pegged and your not allowed to be impartial
xombiediabhal : do you think that the .9% extra ABV has anything to do with it?
jesus_recanted : hi
jp_holding2000 : scottsman: what is your very very best example of a bible contradiction? trivial copyist errors do not count
cockafella_30 : zen mun
smokey0384 : :-? if only jesus had wrote the bible
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:39:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
agn0stic_and_atheist : smokey0384 - that's because if you use messenger you might see the nickname, if you use YahELite you see the full ID, at least I seem to.
yakishu : lol@smokey
hunter_the_crazychick : xombie: it could just be, y'know, beer.
demiurge_nt : jp: Here's a gem--->
Can we love AND fear God? (Deuteronomy 6:5) We must love God (Deuteronomy 6:13) We must fear God (Matthew 22:37) We must love God (I Peter 2:17) We must fear God (I John 4:18) Perfect love cannot be mingled with fear
gremlin_net : xombiediabhal: nah. If you've ever dropped a shot of whiskey into a mug of beer, the ABV is immaterial.
smokey0384 : o, thats fucked
scotsmanmatt : Clear case of a Bible contradiction: The manner of Judas' death.
prizef1ghter : the bible is bullshit
yakishu : Hey agn...does yahoo messenger 'exist'???...LOL
jesus_recanted : jesus needed the Evelyn Woodhouse school of prunciashun
scotsmanmatt : We can love and fear god....
jp_holding2000 : demiurge: fear can be translated respect or awe. not relevant
xombiediabhal : carbombs scare me
smokey0384 : prizef1ghter, 2 pac had good metephors
cockafella_30 : ugh
agn0stic_and_atheist : yakishu - well, if it doesn't I'm talking to myself, lol
demiurge_nt : scots: That's not what the Bible says! :))
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:40:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
prizef1ghter : i love the christian, but hate christianity
smokey0384 : shame he convinced himself he was a messiah and was gonna come back as the black jesus
waytoomuchof : jp: please explain this contradiction that always stands: One of the ten commandments "Thou shalt not kill" yet, in the old testament especially there are many passages where god orders massive executions for everything from not being a Jew to working on the sabbath
nightprowler82 : Hmm..seems like you guys are getting just as mad as kris
feces_faery : oggling who's talking?
scotsmanmatt : I love god but fear [hold him in awe] him...but to not fear [be scared of] him. The contradiction is only possible through equivocation on the word, 'fear'.
nyettiprincess : only god is allowed to kill?
yakishu : in fact agn...its all in our brains...the 'senses' r making us believe that we r on net ...LOL
yakishu : :))
feces_faery : oh
jp_holding2000 : scottsman: i asked a very fair question. what is your absolute best example of a bible contradiction. a trivial copyist error does not count
demiurge_nt : (I John 4:18) Perfect love cannot be mingled with fear
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:41:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : <-- hasn't seen gremlin.net's response to his provided example
feces_faery : I didnt hear him
nyettiprincess : killing in the name of God
hunter_the_crazychick : starts rounding out her hentai collection.
agn0stic_and_atheist : notice, yet again, how scotsmanmatt likes to revalue words to suit his religious purpose.
demiurge_nt : scots: Your response to that, oh Rational Defender? :D
agn0stic_and_atheist : *notices
scotsmanmatt : agn0stic_and_atheist: so you think the word 'fear' can only mean, 'be scared of'?
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: that's because you haven't provided an example yet. You merely rephrased your original baseless assertion that there are facts which science can't or won't address.
scotsmanmatt : demiurge_nt: responded to above.
jp_holding2000 : waytoomuch: thou shall not murder. there are just wars
demiurge_nt : scots: So you need to redefine "fear" in order to eliminate the contradiction?? Not very rational
nightprowler82 : WHY CANT PEOPLE BE ALLOWED TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT?
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:42:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
nyettiprincess : fear_beware of adrenalin
scotsmanmatt : gremlin_net: I suggest you scroll back.
agn0stic_and_atheist : is away (Away)
jacksc2 : So take a one celled organism..When you look at that DNA chain it shows no evidence of design?
feces_faery : Krischen shut up
us_7903 : what design are u talking about jack...?
jacksc2 : Can we duplicate it?
awe_look_at_the_kitty : Oh. Is the dodhead stil here?
scotsmanmatt : demiurge_nt: There is no redefinition....fear has more than one meaning...yet your source only allows for one..he is equivocating
agn0stic_and_atheist : is back
agn0stic_and_atheist : scotsmanmatt - I think that what Christians do is ensure that they adopt the possible meaning of a word which best fits their pre-committed purposes.
demiurge_nt : nightprowler: Because many belief systems (Christianity for example) teach that those who do NOT share that belief are somehow "less" or "evil"
jp_holding2000 : scottsman: did you see my request?
awe_look_at_the_kitty : still* even and dodohead*
feces_faery : *** krischen0000 will be ignored for refusing to seperate what is TRUE from her own perspective :))
awe_look_at_the_kitty : I can't type :((
scotsmanmatt : jp_holding2000: I provided it
jacksc2 : It looks pretty complicated
nyettiprincess : designis what evidence is interpreted as
smokey0384 : dusty, phrase things in more of an appropiate polite manner, then they are more likely to co-operate
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:43:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
salient2 : jacksc2: no it shows evidence of billions of years of natural selection
scotsmanmatt : agn0stic_and_atheist: that's a nice attempt to not answer my question...
jp_holding2000 : scottsman: i never saw it. if you could provide it again i would appreciate it
jacksc2 : SO time is the champion?
nightprowler82 : NOT ALL ARE LIKE THAT..THATS PREJUDICE
demiurge_nt : See? Of COURSE jp doesn't see any contradictions in the Bible...easy to do when you IGNORE them! :))_
nightprowler82 : shit i cant spell tpdY
nightprowler82 : today'
jacksc2 : Give it enough time and it will happen?
scotsmanmatt : jp_holding2000: clear case of a bible contradiction: the manner of Judas' death
jesus_recanted : laughs @ krishen
agn0stic_and_atheist : scotsmanmatt - what can I say, I'm learning from the best evader in the business - scotsmanmatt, lol
jacksc2 : It will become organized?
cheetos_2010 : Gee and I was taught to be a christian and became an atheist
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:44:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
golconda2.rm : jack, a bit oversimplified...
salient2 : jacks natural selection takes some time, all processes do.
jp_holding2000 : scottsman: is that your very very best example? judas's death. there are no better examples?
demiurge_nt : Why does krischen feel the need to scream like a stupid cunt?
nightprowler82 : If my great grandma wants to believe what shes been taught for 60 years..why cant she
nyettiprincess : can an athiest convert to a doctrine-preposterous
ogglingjohn : krischen you said throw out the bible you are the one who said we could throw it out when you sugested focus on god and not the bible
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: suggest away. I haven't taken my eyes off the screen since you initially lied about facts existing but defying science.
jacksc2 : But how did the organism become living from non living material?
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: No one's going to fall for your 'scroll back' rouse; you're known globally for pitching the 'scroll back' shit, followed by the 'it' there; keep looking' shit, followed by the 'it's too obvious to explain, so I'll leave it at my baseless assertion' shit, followed, of course, by your '<--rational idiot lying to hold some shread of hope that christianity isn't a joke' shit.
timbot66 : May the great and powerful OZ bless this room
scotsmanmatt : agn0stic_and_atheist: that's twice you've made responses that don't answer the question asked of you [and you're moving into the ad hom area - a sure sign of desparation]... when you can be honest enough to answer a direct question let me know.
demiurge_nt : jp: Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 are pretty clear cut contradictions
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:45:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
nightprowler82 : if i do believe people have a right to there own belefe why cant i?
fear_n0_evil : You cannot grow a beard in a moment of passion.
timbot66 : jack
jesus_recanted : jack, who knows?
timbot66 : electro magnatism
demiurge_nt : jacksc2: That's abiogenesis, and it's not the topic
jesus_recanted : so should we start believing in gods and demons then?
nyettiprincess : organisms have ALWAYS been alive jacksc2
jacksc2 : So it is a leap of faith as well?
jp_holding2000 : scottsman: is that your best example ? judas's death?
salient2 : jacksc2: I don't know the exact process, it was a microscopic event over 3 billion years ago
scotsmanmatt : jp_holding2000: There are no 'best examples'.. there are alleged contradictions/errors in the Bible which the inerrantist has the burden of proof to resolve without resort to absurd eisegesis.
demiurge_nt : jacksc2: "we don
nightprowler82 : Does it always get this heated
timbot66 : and the right chemical goo
demiurge_nt : jacksc2: "we don't know yet" is not a leap of faith
feces_faery : No one cares what you believe
cheetos_2010 : krischen - stop hogging the mic
jacksc2 : nyetti, were they created alive?
msglowww : females gotta be screamin bout everything...geez
scotsmanmatt : gremlin_net: well...I ain't doing your homework for you...the response if there...
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:46:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
yakishu : Hey how can we explain the things happening in the so called 'haunted' places?
jesus_recanted : since we dont know EVERYTHING, therefore we should become christians? is that what you are saying?
nightprowler82 : faery..fine the i dont care what you believe in
scotsmanmatt : nightprowler82: it's heated?
yakishu : wht r these things...'supernatural'??...whts supernatural anyways?
msglowww : hope one of those banshees is NOT a Christian
golconda2.rm : jack, evolution has EVIDENCE, your creator has NONE!
cheetos_2010 : Have to ignore krischen so I can hear the others
nyettiprincess : not aalive unless already living jacksc2
demiurge_nt : Kishu: Ever notice that only inbred uneducated twits have "haunted houses"?
nightprowler82 : scots..it sure sounds like it
feces_faery : Krischen then STOP telling US about your fucking personal OPINION IF IT IS NOT = TO TRUTH
jp_holding2000 : scottsman: judas could have hung himself. then the rope could have broked or he could have been cut down. ommisssion is not a contradiction. they can be reconciled.
agn0stic_and_atheist : scotsmanmatt - lol, of course words can have many interpretations, some more plausible than others, nevertheless, as I've suggested, as a Christian you are committed to finding meanings to words in your Bible which best fit (i.e. are consistent with) the ideology/story you are wedded to.
feces_faery : You stupid cunt, you keep defeating your own arguments
yakishu : not realy demi...ask an englishman
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:47:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
skepticalibra :
timbot66 : Creation of Life...electro magnatism...Pre-Organic chemicals...Water...Life?
jacksc2 : Is there any observable examples of things being created alive?
scotsmanmatt : nightprowler82: don't let the bluster of atheists convince you of anything but there general failure to deal with informed opposition
yakishu : ..do u c 'discovery' channel demi?..;)
salient2 : jacksc2: no If I was to claim I knew the process that would be a leap of faith, to merely say I don't know is just being honest
jacksc2 : not reproduced created..
msglowww : not to mention that her behavior is very un-christian like :|
demiurge_nt : Kishu: Englishman? I said "inbred" already. :D
scotsmanmatt : agn0stic_and_atheist: so you accept the word, 'fear' can have more than one meaning?
jesus_recanted : well said sausage
nyettiprincess : not alive unless there
golconda2.rm : jack, what EVIDENCE do you have for your god?
jacksc2 : I can respect that salient
yakishu : lol@demi
cheetos_2010 : Agrees evii. and many atheists were christians
cheetos_2010 : like me
feces_faery : lol evil
demiurge_nt : jacksc2: There are no examples of things being "created" PERIOD
jacksc2 : It is a leap of faith for me golconda
skepticalibra :
jp_holding2000 : this room is a great example of happy atheists. LOL
timbot66 : Good question Jack...I here they are creating organic molocules...using the atmophere of Jupitor
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:48:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
timbot66 : that's pretty strange
golconda2.rm : jack, a leap of BLIND fauth, you mean!
timbot66 : in a lab
nyettiprincess : fear can be understood holistically
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: the response is there. Oddly, you're the only one who can see it. Kinda like you're the only one who can see your deities. Of all the people in the chatroom, only you have ever seen your phantasmagoric response.
timbot66 : of course
demiurge_nt : jp: LOL....notice that the only people SCREAMING in voice chat are Christians
waytoomuchof : < gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: And yet you expend more effort by an order of fucking magnitude assuring us all that you responded than you ever could just repeating your response, had you ever posted it to repeat it. You're a known fucking fraud; no one believes shit you say anymore.
scotsmanmatt : jp_holding2000: so the non-ad hoc reasonable resolution to the contradiction I presented is....?
golconda2.rm : jack, since you admit that you have NO evidence, why SHOULD I believe?
nightprowler82 : Scotsmanmatt..im not as hardcore as kris...i work and care for my son. I have no time to be christian
jacksc2 : that would be a tremendous piece of evidence in your direction If we can engineer life..
agn0stic_and_atheist : scotsmanmatt - yes, but the ordinary meaning of 'fear' is just that. I suggest that what Christian 'scholars' do is think about what kind of meaning they'd like the word to have and then dream up some theology to give value to their 'interpretation'.
feces_faery : Demi, I was screaming at krischen, because she deserved it
scotsmanmatt : gremlin.net: do you want to take a wager that I submitted a response to your request?
nightprowler82 : but through my own experience my need to practice was taken down
demiurge_nt : jacksc2: We're almost there, be patient
nyettiprincess : jacksc2-convert to atheism
timbot66 : They are close...but from what I read,...no cigar
jacksc2 : You shouldnt golconda.. You should believe what you want.
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:49:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
m0rethananangel : In the atheist view, how old has the universe again?
smokey0384 : dusty has a lil black heart that squiqes once a minute
timbot66 : 14 billion years
golconda2.rm : jack, so you're no here to convert others?
feces_faery : No krischen you're going to talk or get off the mic
salient2 : jacks -- not really I don't see that when we can engineer life will be relevant to the discussion at all.
golconda2.rm : jack, so you're NOT here to convert others?
agn0stic_and_atheist : m0rethananangel - the universe began yesterday, all your memories are false ones.
msglowww : get off the mic heffa
waytoomuchof : m0re: in the atheist view, we don't know
jacksc2 : Nope
agn0stic_and_atheist : giggles
timbot66 : Fudi....11 thousand
timbot66 : oops
jacksc2 : im not trying to conver t anyone
timbot66 : fundies
eviisausage : that has been explained to you before, krish.
golconda2.rm : jack, fair enough, then
jesus_recanted : no one is raised "to not believe in god"
gremlin_net : Let's make sure it's not just me, somehow. Did anyone in here ever see scotsmantroll post an example of a fact which science can't or won't address in, say, the last ten minutes? Did anyone see anything resembling that, or is it merely the result of scotsmantroll's schizophrenia again?
jesus_recanted : listen to her
timbot66 : jack
timbot66 : very cool
scotsmanmatt : agn0stic_and_atheist: ok...so you concede that the word, 'fear' can have more than one meaning. Now please tell me how you know that the author of the passages cited intended for the word 'fear' to be understood under ONE definition and not more than one?
nyettiprincess : jack..
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:50:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
jp_holding2000 : scottsman: i already posted it but.....your last statement is assuming a contradiction. nevertheless it can be reconciled. the rope broke or he was cut down.
timbot66 : spirituality...very personal
demiurge_nt : Why must krischen resort to the same old circular logic??
jacksc2 : yes nyetti
m0rethananangel : what we WANT is not necesserally the truth
golconda2.rm : grem, if he did, it would be VERY easy for him to REpost it, right?
cheetos_2010 : Why should atheists be unhappy?
salient2 : I am a very happy atheist
msglowww : she needs to sit down and read her bible to figure out what a Christian is supposed to act like
scotsmanmatt : gremlin_net: what's wrong with taking the wager..or are you just chickenshit to put your money where your mouth is?
cheetos_2010 : Atheists simply lack a belief in gods.
wisconsin_goth : hey everyone
demiurge_nt : I am an unhappy atheist! But it's because I have to go to work today
cheetos_2010 : Even krishchen's god said he created unbelievers
nightprowler82 : My mom died when i was 9..she was christian the most she asked of me was to have faith
yakishu : Who is called an 'athiest'???
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:51:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
m0rethananangel : waytoomuch, but what is the scientific vi6
scotsmanmatt : <----- notes the lack of response from jp_holding2000 to his presented error
nyettiprincess : i respect that you arent preaching
demiurge_nt : Kishu: It's "atheist"
msglowww : would someone just shut her up please
jesus_recanted : cheetos, because without jesus in your heart you can never know "true" hapiness, you just THOUGHT you were happy because it was *satin blinding you
nightprowler82 : kris...thats closed minded
agn0stic_and_atheist : scotsmanmatt - I have no idea what the author inteded the word to mean in any given instance, and neither do you. However, the point remains, you are *ideologically wedded* to accept only those 'interpretations' which best suit the values you and other Christians place, subjectively, in the Bible.
demiurge_nt : krischen: I believe that because YOU need an imaginary friend to get by in life, YOU are not happy.
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: sure. Let's define the wager. You stated that deities and the universe were equally factual. You stated that facts existed which science couldn't or woudn't address. And now you've stated that you posted an example of a fact which science can't or won't address. Is that correct, or are you shifting your defined responsibility on us? You may have responded, but not with one of the facts which you claimed culdn't be addressed by science.
m0rethananangel :
salient2 : Krischen, your bigotry is not evidence for your belief
cheetos_2010 : jesus-oh I see. So then I guess I better change the smile on my face to a frown, eh? ;)
timbot66 : atheism or fundamental supernatural belief=closed belief systems
smokey0384 : m0rethananangel: what we WANT is not necesserally the truth <-- that is what most athiests can't comprehend about christians
jesus_recanted : krishen is here to remind us how good we are really doing
timbot66 : the truth?
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:52:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
yakishu : thnx for the correction demi...u've english papers too?? ;))
timbot66 : Who Knows
golconda2.rm : I am an atheist because I have seen NO reliable, objective, scientifically valid EVIDENCE for the existence of ANY god/s, if any theist has such evidence, please present it!
nyettiprincess : jesus recanted-are you preaching?
jp_holding2000 : in the buffalo news recently ,which is the largest newspaper in Buffalo, it was reported that people of relgious faith particularly those with deep faith are far more happier than atheists.
smokey0384 : Being a christian is proven to make u happier, healthier and live longer for extra few years
timbot66 : ogg
agn0stic_and_atheist : agrees with golconda2.rm
demiurge_nt : smokey: LOL
msglowww : =D>
jesus_recanted : no nyetti, i was bewing sarcastic
timbot66 : yer arguments are just plain silly
nightprowler82 : individuals dont need to be defined by relgion
nyettiprincess : yo jesus
timbot66 : God or Gods=Human Vanity
smokey0384 : It doesn't even matter if its bullshit, athiest can't coprehend that
cheetos_2010 : Wonders what krischen was addicted to, what problems she was having when she found her invisible friend in the pit of despair
smokey0384 : its the principle of it
demon_out_420 : hey ppl
scotsmanmatt : agn0stic_and_atheist: so if you don't know that the authors intended for the word 'fear' to be understood in the same way then you are forced by logic [if you respect that] to concede there is no established contradiction for to have that you must have a clear a and ~a situation and that we don't have since the author could have been speaking of a and b.
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:53:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
msglowww : ouch cheetos
demiurge_nt : smokey: Hindus live on average longer then Christians...does that mean Vishnu exists?
salient2 : cheetos Krischen was on drugs
cheetos_2010 : krischen-you have nothing to offer
timbot66 : Existence just is...nothing else matters
believe_in_every_word : amen krischen
cheetos_2010 : Salient-figures and she still is hallucinating apparently
scotsmanmatt : jp_holding2000: you're not going to offer a non ad hoc reasonable resolution to my presented error?
timbot66 : talk of Godz and Devils is a mute point
smokey0384 : i am not talking about average on the whole, not for each indivual u dumbfucker
jesus_recanted : krishen used to be a heroin addict - she had a monkey on her back, now she is hooked on jesus and "has a hebrew on her back"
demiurge_nt : krischen is a bigot
cheetos_2010 : rofl @ jesus
smokey0384 : i am talking about average on the whole, not for each indivual u dumbfucker
jp_holding2000 : scottsman: again you are assuming. i posted it twice. you jump to conclusions. any text as large as the bible is bound to have things that are black and white without having to put the picture together of various accounts.
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:54:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
cheetos_2010 : Only thing that makes me unhappy are people like krischen
nightprowler82 : kris..thas beliefe is what makes me avoid practcing
nyettiprincess : the average is everybody added up
smokey0384 : christainity has helped us get as civalized as fast as we have
scotsmanmatt : agn0stic_and_atheist: the best you have is this: If the authors cited meant the word, 'fear' to be understood in the same way then we have an established contradiction [a and ~a at the same time situation], but if he didn't then there is no established contradiction.
smokey0384 : now we need new religion
timbot66 : I read the Bible...several times...I read the Hindu Gita...I read the Koran...I found no God between the pages...I found parables and rules...the end
smokey0384 : new bullshit
m0rethananangel : whats the age of the universe?
demiurge_nt : krischen: How does your cult gain new followers then??
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: should I assume that you're conceding that you failed to respond with a fact which science can't or won't address?
agn0stic_and_atheist : scotsmanmatt - I would accept the meaning of a word to have its ordinary one, including 'fear' until or unless I had means to find fault with that. Again, [rolls eyes] you are *ideologically wedded* to accepting certain 'interpretations' and rejecting others, not because they seem to most accurately reflect the authors intended meaning, but rather because your Christian faith depends on it.
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:55:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
nyettiprincess : civilised?
believe_in_every_word : if this world is what you call civilized i can do without it
cheetos_2010 : John-the more who believe as krischen does, the easier she feels that what she believes is true
demiurge_nt : believe: Good, then leave NOW
golconda2.rm : m0re, we do not know, but we can make some reasonable estimates based upon available evidence
msglowww : lol
smokey0384 : princess, where do you live?
yakishu : :-? is this all realy happening .. or its just that my senses r being influenced by the computer? (if it also is real) LOL :))
jp_holding2000 : scottsman: i had a grammatical error in my last post. but i have posted my response twice. scroll up
jesus_recanted : krishen = cyber-missionary
smokey0384 : haah kishu
salient2 : m0rethananangel: the age since the big bang is 13.7 billion years, but that event was not necessarily a beginning.
timbot66 : how peolple read the word of supernatral entities as the way the universe works...is a mystery to me
demiurge_nt : Kishu: This is all a Matrix construct
nyettiprincess : B-)
smokey0384 : salient, we dunno shit
m0rethananangel : Salient, what was it then
scotsmanmatt : jp_holding2000: my apologies...I missed what you posted but have found it... you are aware that what you posted is ad hoc reasoning with no textual basis?
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:56:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
hunter_the_crazychick : is away (Away)
cheetos_2010 : Agrees with evil
demiurge_nt : m0re: Please, you've been told this already...the "Big Bang" was an EVENT, not a BEGINNING
cheetos_2010 : She is lying
yakishu : Hey demi...pls explain a 'matrix construct' ?
msglowww : there is a difference in having no faith and being an atheist
nyettiprincess : supernature -competition to explain
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: I'll accept your concession by silence.
demiurge_nt : Kishu: Have you seen "The Matrix"?
scotsmanmatt : demiurge_nt: when did time begin in this universe?
timbot66 : hUMAN NATURE CALLS FOR ANSWERS TO THE BIG QUESTIONS
msglowww : was i an atheist because i didnt believe in organized religion?
demiurge_nt : scots: LOL
yakishu : nopes..not yet demi ;)
smokey0384 : the matrix saved my soul
nightprowler82 : krishen..you take it too seriously...Do you believe tv evangelists who say its wrong to be unmarried with kids?
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:57:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
m0rethananangel : so that is mean that we would at least need one positive mutation in the evolution to be here as we are now hm?
nightprowler82 : (that was an example)
scotsmanmatt : gremlin_net: there is no concession..I'm waiting for you to accept a wager
timbot66 : That's when the supernatural comes into play
m0rethananangel : one per year I mean
charlotte_the_enchantress : hi all !
golconda2.rm : m0re, what is your SOURCE for that assertion?
scotsmanmatt : demiurge_nt: 'LOL' isn't a rational response.
golconda2.rm : You want EVIDENCE for evolution? Go here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/
salient2 : m0rethananangel: If I had to guess, and this is purely a guess, I would guess the big bang was preceeded by a collapse. Further I think you can look at time as running in either direction.
msglowww : lol
timbot66 : You can't be happy without your beliefs
timbot66 : everyone has them
demiurge_nt : scots: scotsmanmatt: demiurge_nt: when did time begin in this universe?<----that's not a rational question
jp_holding2000 : scottsman: ommissions of a complete picture is not a contradiction. witness testimony sometimes have to be combined to see a fuller picture. it would make sense that a person rotting and swinging in the wind would have his guts blow out when he hit the rocks. this is nothing unusual in text.
timbot66 : its uman nature
nightprowler82 : i agree mit
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:58:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
msglowww : she is a BAD arguement for Christianity
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: okay. I'll accept a wager that you never provided an example of a fact which science can't or won't address. If you can show evidence that you did, in fact, provide such a fact, I'll concede that you're telling the truth; if not, you'll concede that you lied.
demiurge_nt : scots: Do you often demand a rational answer to an irrational question?
scotsmanmatt : demiurge_nt: since science [cosmology] answers my question it's a perfectly rational question
nightprowler82 : its just as simple as believing simple values
believe_in_every_word : ane evidence given for evolution has been falsified or been based on false eveidence
demiurge_nt : scots: It does?! wow, post it here for the room then!
timbot66 : just like an anise, everyone has thier own conception of reality and the supernatural
timbot66 : bless u
cheetos_2010 : Oh krischen 8-|
timbot66 : ms
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:59:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
timbot66 : U'r cool
golconda2.rm : believe_in, nice conspiracy theory, but do you have any EVIDENCE for it?
nightprowler82 : i agree with msgloww
nyettiprincess : and the evidence for god is no evidence at all
timbot66 : u wouldn'yt burn me at the stake
demiurge_nt : believe: If you really believe that, you need serious help.
scotsmanmatt : gremlin_net: ok...here's the wager...if I prove that I did in fact respond to your request you leave this group for one week with no participation...if I fail to prove my case I leave for the same time. ?
tannar_darr : >nyetti about the same as the evidence against Him.
m0rethananangel : Jesus Loves MSG.... who are you talking about?
demiurge_nt : tannar: about the same as the evidence against leprechauns
scotsmanmatt : demiurge_nt: give me a sec until I locate the source
timbot66 : take away a persons belief system...and they are not happy
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: are you allowing that my request was for a specific fact, which could be looked up somewhere, which science can't or won't address?
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:00:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
msglowww : that kristchen chick
nightprowler82 : krischen..that was unfair..DO YOU THINK IM BAD BECAUSE I DONT GO TO CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY?
timbot66 : Fundi ateist or whatever
nyettiprincess : riposte tannar darr
scotsmanmatt : gremlin_net: yes..that was the question you asked and I answered that question
jesus_recanted : lol
msglowww : not to mention very un christian like
nyettiprincess : :">
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: okay. Done. What fact did you use?
tannar_darr : >nyetti is this where my duckbill flaps up?
yahell_has_gone_wild : eviisausage:-?
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:01:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
m0rethananangel : Salient, do you really think that that big bang would be from.... nothing?
demiurge_nt : reference to Daffy??
libraskeptical : I don't see Evil in the room but I can hear his voice. Freaky.............
nyettiprincess : you aplatypus?
believe_in_every_word : many things used to prove evolution have been proven wrong
timbot66 : didn't the evil sausage get hit with a bat the other day?
jp_holding2000 : there are numerous studies that show in general atheists are far less happy than christians of deep faith
golconda2.rm : You want EVIDENCE for evolution? Go here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/
awe_look_at_the_kitty : I see ken is here.
scotsmanmatt : gremlin_net: to be sure we agree ..the wager is on whether or not I provided a response to that question?
demiurge_nt : jp: Then by all means, post them HERE
golconda2.rm : believe, so you discount ALL evidence for evolution?
msglowww : im a Christian, nothing anyone in here could say affects me
yahell_has_gone_wild : =D>
agn0stic_and_atheist : watches scotsmanmatt slide...lol
m0rethananangel : golconda: me?
msglowww : exactly!
yahell_has_gone_wild : Applauds eviisausage =D>
msglowww : =D>
m0rethananangel : please, they teach evolution in all my course
golconda2.rm : msglow, so you admit to being a FANATIC as well?
yahell_has_gone_wild : Applauds eviisausage =D>
yakishu : Now c'mon guys....pls tell me is my keyboard for real??..if it ain't how can I feel my fingers touching it?...and if its just a 'feeling' ..then how can I proove it realy do 'exist' ???
eviisausage : I meant happy.
tannar_darr : >nyetti nope, remember the daffy duck scene,, thrust parry dodge spinnnnnnnN THWACK the bil get's bent?
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:02:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
smokey0384 : o damn, yahell wild, i left religion 1 to get away from ya
smokey0384 : what are you doin' here
jesus_recanted : evolution or no evolution: still the idea of taking the christian mythology literally is foolish.
timbot66 : Evolution or creation does not fill in all the blanks
smokey0384 : all you do is greet people and say applauds and beat up
salient2 : m0rethananangel: -- I see no evidence of nothing, while total mass energy may well be zero, that doesn't mean that there was every nothing.
yahell_has_gone_wild : smokey0384:-Psuck me bitch
msglowww : fanatic...if that means having a relationship with Jesus Christ, then YES
salient2 : ever
nyettiprincess : numerous studies show that christian behaviour has been manipulative
jp_holding2000 : demi: i posted that stuff many times. go to www.google.com
libraskeptical : A lot of the same people who frequent this room frequent Religion:1 as well.
golconda2.rm : msglow, save your necrophilia
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: the wager is whether you provided a correct response. A known fact which science can't or won't address. Since 'science cannot speak to that which a person experiences in the natural world but for which no evidence remains' is not a known fact but a basic genre, that wouldn't count. And I saw nothing else but claims that you'd responded correctly.
yahell_has_gone_wild : says smokey0384 is a Devil >:)
msglowww : that was just dumb
msglowww : next...
scotsmanmatt : demiurge_nt: would Professor Stephen Hawking be a good enough source for you?
demiurge_nt : jp: Ah, then don't make claims you can't back; it makes you look like a lying coward.
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:03:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
smokey0384 : yahell, I've seen you online for weeks, but you never said one opinion
smokey0384 : go ahead, don't let me stop you
jesus_recanted : jesus msg, - talking to youself is NOT a relationship
tannar_darr : >nyetti tha twould be the behaviour of individual Xians or individual groups of same... not xians...
golconda2.rm : msg, no it was ACCURATE
tannar_darr : >nyetti be fare now.
yahell_has_gone_wild : smokey0384:))weeks....lol
demiurge_nt : scots: For a scientific theory regarding the beginning of time that DOES NOT use quantum mechanics? Sure, post it.
agn0stic_and_atheist : darn, got kicked.
smokey0384 : yahell wild, what are your beleifs
yahell_has_gone_wild : :-P....your funny.........you dont even know who i am
timbot66 : As a fan of Jesus' sayings in the Q and Thomas...I find his divinity offensive
nyettiprincess : point taken tann.
msglowww : :))
jp_holding2000 : demiurge: i reference argyle's study at oxford. but there are many studies which show the same
tannar_darr : >agnostic and I just missed you too, someone beat me to it.
yahell_has_gone_wild : Hugs agn0stic_and_atheist >:D<
scotsmanmatt : gremlin.net... no..that wasn't issue... you have claimed that I did not respond to your question....not that I did not respond correctly to your question.... the log will show that as the issue between us which you are now trying to change
libraskeptical : I've been on Yahoo for 1,095 days.
smokey0384 : yes, remember i sent you my picture, your the eccentric old lady
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:04:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
agn0stic_and_atheist : hugs yahell_has_gone_wild
tannar_darr : >timbot OHHHH so you have read the Q???
knight_of_baawa : hugs Libra
libraskeptical : hugs knight
yahell_has_gone_wild : :))smokey0384
yahell_has_gone_wild : :-Pyou thinkso
salient2 : libra -- does yahoo keep a record?
awe_look_at_the_kitty : Ok, enough with the hugging. O.o
yahell_has_gone_wild : :))
tannar_darr : >timbot and the book of THOMAS is an obvious contradiction to most anything else we know of the Man.
timbot66 : My Jesus was a living breathing revolutionary...The divinty thing is all Paul's ruse to spread the religion
demiurge_nt : jp: Aha! Those studies are slanted, I want studies that show ALL OF THE VARIABLES of the participants, not fundamentalist studies that skew the results.
libraskeptical : No, Salient.
yakishu : Hey agn...did u 'realy' got kicked..or u just felt like that..coz of ur senses??...;)
scotsmanmatt : "Since events before the Big Bang have no observational consequences, one may as well cut them out of the theory, and say that time began at the Big Bang."
yakishu : :))
msglowww : the way I see it is, with the state of the world being such as it is, would it kill ya to have a little faith and a little hope in something???????????
timbot66 : My Jesus was a living breathing revolutionary...The divinty thing is all Paul's ruse to spread the religion
yahell_has_gone_wild : :-Pyou are older then me
agn0stic_and_atheist : scotsmanmatt - gremlin asked for a fact, you are being fraudulent.
yakishu : just kiddin pal ;)
knight_of_baawa : just got back from a 9 mile bike ride
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: good. In fact, better. Instead of merely proving yourself a liar, you're gone so far as to prove yourself an illiterate imbecile. I'll go post the logue verbatim for people to read over and come to their own conclusions....
yahell_has_gone_wild : :xdont never trust anyone sweety
yahell_has_gone_wild : ;)
gremlin_net : Be right back....
tannar_darr : singing,,, "Your own, personal Jesus, he's your little hispanic friend. in the end..... "
LOG DATA Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:05:46 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
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