damien_the_demon_kitty : I am TORgo. I look AFter the place while the MASter is aWAY.
     Summisse_Eloquens : hmm Perhaps I should go out, and come back in.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:24:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : I have a question----how do you explain the blood crying statues and other so called miracles?
     lissianthus : abe_froman80 hysteria
     lissianthus : and lies
     lissianthus : all fake
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, when you can produce evidence that they actually happened, we'll examine them.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:25:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : they have studied these statues and found nothing
     lissianthus : 'they' who?
     abe_froman80 : where is your evidence that they didn't
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, where is your evidence that they did?
     lissianthus : study them yourself
     damien_the_demon_kitty : It's up to the person making the claim to bring evidence, not to the person doubting it.
     lissianthus : i dont give a shit what bleeds
     lissianthus : long as it isnt me
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:26:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     lissianthus : or someone i like
     abe_froman80 : they are fucking crying blood aren't they
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, some people say they do, but then again, some people say they talk to aliens as well.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : All we have to go on is their word.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:27:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     lissianthus : ever see a 'healer' coax a tumor outta some sick guy? he has a fake end on his thumb with a piece of liver inside of it
     abe_froman80 : who is to say that there are no aliens--no offense but that seems a bit closed minded
     abe_froman80 : liss----they do that in carnivals and stuff---this is deeper
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, what makes you think I say there are no aliens? No offense but that seems like you're jumping to conclusions.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:28:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : ondo---come on
     ondoher1 : I reject Alien visitation for the same reason I reject god
     ondoher1 : lack of a good supporting argument
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Once again, abe, until there is actual testable evidence that these statues do in fact cry, the claim remains rather hollow.
     abe_froman80 : do you live in a box or something
     ondoher1 : now, I would not be surprised if there was intelligent life elsewhere in this universe.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:29:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : sorry damien--I disagree
     ondoher1 : afterall, it's a big place. but I highly doubt they've been visiting us
     abe_froman80 : I don't necessarily believe in them but
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, so you're saying that we should accept the claim without any evidence?
     abe_froman80 : who knows
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, yeah, who knows? Maybe there's a ring of green cheese orbiting Pluto, who knows?
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:30:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Maybe little goblins are what cause thunder, who knows?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : There's just as much evidence for these two things as there are for crying statues and green cheese in space.
     ondoher1 : speculation about possible extraterrestrial life is not the same as claiming they exist and have been visiting us, and planting anal probes
     abe_froman80 : if they are crying, with or without assistance, are you somewhat curious?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, considering that there's no evidence that they do in fact do this, not really.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:31:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : no, these statues do actually cry
     abe_froman80 : green cheese in space...don't be a fool
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, and your evidence that they do?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : We're still waiting for that/
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:32:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     Summisse_Eloquens : Abe: The Catholic church investigates said on a regular basis, and finds that ninety nine percent of it is bullshit..and that's from those who actually have faith to begin with.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:33:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : listen, the catholic church is interested in themselves----power, money, whatever----
     abe_froman80 : they cannot be trusted
     Summisse_Eloquens : Abe: Right...
     Summisse_Eloquens : *laughs*
     damien_the_demon_kitty : abe, we're still waiting for evidence.
     abe_froman80 : so is your beef with catholicism or the belief in god in general
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:34:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     Summisse_Eloquens : Abe: The Catholic church has EVERY reason to want to have these instances proven to be so. It ups their rolls, the more followers the more money...they have no reason to want to discredit such things.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, crying statues could make the catholic church a whole lot of money, seems they would jump at the chance to get a hold of that franchise.
     Summisse_Eloquens : That made about NO sense.
     Summisse_Eloquens : *looksatDamien*
     Summisse_Eloquens : Out of my head. :|
     abe_froman80 : no
     abe_froman80 : people would go apeshit
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:35:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, and even if the catholic church had no reason to want to prove the existence of crying statues, it still doesn't excuse the point that you still have brought forth NO evidence that these statues do in fact cry.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Summisse, we're too good at this.
     abe_froman80 : through means I don't know, they do actually cry
     abe_froman80 : I have seen in
     abe_froman80 : it has been witnessed
     Summisse_Eloquens : Abe: People would NOT go apeshit. There have been instances where the Catholic church has said that indeed something seems to be a miraculous occurence nobody went ape shit. There were not riots in the street. There were calm pilgramages by believers, as there were before they substantiated it.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, and ufo's have been 'witnessed'.
     Summisse_Eloquens : I wish people would learn something before they started popping off.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:36:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : And unicorns have been 'witnessed'.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : And little goblins have been 'witnessed'.
     abe_froman80 : damien----then why should they automatically be discredited
     abe_froman80 : \?
     Summisse_Eloquens : *looksatDamien* the church has investigated many of these claims, and some they have given credence to, and it is interesting. *shrug* If for nothing other than something that is unexplained, as yet.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:37:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, for the fact that they're supernatural claims when there's still plausible, and highly likely, natural explanations for them.
     abe_froman80 : oh really
     abe_froman80 : do you know how many occurrences we are talking abou
     abe_froman80 : t
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, do you?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Would you care to put out some figures?
     abe_froman80 : a very large amount
     damien_the_demon_kitty : After all, it is your claim, not mine.
     Summisse_Eloquens : Abe: Face it, there are fake claims.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:38:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : going back many many years
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, figures?
     Summisse_Eloquens : Abe: So the numbers you talk about are meaningless.
     abe_froman80 : Summise, I am not saying they are real
     abe_froman80 : all i am saying is I don't know shit
     abe_froman80 : neither do you
     abe_froman80 : why believe or not believe
     abe_froman80 : where is YOUR evidence?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, we do know shit, it's limited knowledge, but we are aware of the limitations.
     Summisse_Eloquens : Abe: I think I will judge for myself, what I do and do not know. dolt. I haven't claimed to KNOW anything.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:39:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, what evidence would we need? We're not the ones making any claims, you are.
     abe_froman80 : you are claiming that none of these things are real
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, okay, what claims have I made then?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Perhaps you can enlighten me on that.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:40:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : that UFO's and a supreme being are not real
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, I never claimed that.
     Summisse_Eloquens : *looksaround* Well speaking for myself, I didn't make any claims. I made statements about the Catholic church and their investigations that apparently validate some of these claims.
     abe_froman80 : that is a claim
     Summisse_Eloquens : And invalidate others.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Show me where I claimed that.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, never happened.
     abe_froman80 : well, maybe I have you confused
     abe_froman80 : I apologize
     damien_the_demon_kitty : I doubted your claim of their validity.
     Summisse_Eloquens : Damien_the_demon_kitty: tsk tsk You were skeptical...that's not allowed. Somehow that's a claim.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, I'm not the one confused, I know what I claimed and what I didn't claim.
     abe_froman80 : okay, there is no getting around this
     abe_froman80 : chill out
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:41:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : just a difference in a opinion
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Summisse, apparently doubting Abe's claim is the exact same as making a claim of the opposite.
     Summisse_Eloquens : Abe: Just false accusations and snotty comments.
     abe_froman80 : damien, you are twisting things
     Summisse_Eloquens : No fucking difference of opinion, just someone operating on their incorrect assumptions.
     Summisse_Eloquens : As per fucking usual.
     abe_froman80 : and honestly, that is something I would expect
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, what's the matter? You claim that I claimed something, I showed how you were wrong, then you tell me that I'm angry.
     Summisse_Eloquens : condescending crap.
     abe_froman80 : alright, you are fucking nuts
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Seems you aren't really interested in any sort of serious discussion, Abe.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:42:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : seems like you have social problems damien
     damien_the_demon_kitty : And now you attempt to ad-hom me, you're a troll, Abe.
     abe_froman80 : it is something you should talk about
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, more ad-homs, common sign of someone who's run out of points.
     abe_froman80 : fuck you
     abe_froman80 : :)
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Ah, the clown suit comes off, did I anger you, Abe?
     Summisse_Eloquens : Damien_the_demon_kitty: I don't call it anger, I call it righteous indignation. And clearly someone doesn't like the social rebuke for running their mouth on incorrect assumptions. I wouldn't let it trouble you.
     abe_froman80 : sure did
     john_s_tuttle : when all else fails, try to assasinate their character. that seems to be the christian way
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:43:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : but I deal with assholes all the time, I will calm down
     xombiediabhal : owned.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Summisse, it's never troubled me the countless other times it's happened.
     xombiediabhal : damien 1, abe 0
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, care to back up your claim that I'm an asshole?
     Summisse_Eloquens : Damien_the_demon_kitty: I'll just call you ducky from now on. :P
     abe_froman80 : you just proved it
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, how?
     abe_froman80 : for me atleast, and thats all that matters
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Looks like you were the one doing all the name-calling, not me.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:44:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     Summisse_Eloquens : Damien: Not so, I was name calling. :P
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, so in other words your little world has nothing to do with common reality?
     abe_froman80 : whatever
     Summisse_Eloquens : but I'm not being called the asshole either.
     Summisse_Eloquens : heheh
     Summisse_Eloquens : Hello, Fred.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Whatever?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : That's your, ahem, 'refute'?
     abe_froman80 : we are on different wavelenghts
     abe_froman80 : sorry
     abe_froman80 : don't understand you're babbling right now
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, I'm still waiting for evidence to back up ANY of your claims.
     Summisse_Eloquens : *looksatDamien*
     abe_froman80 : dude, back off
     abe_froman80 : please
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, more ad-homs, care to back them up?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, why? You're the one attacking, not me.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:45:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : your crazy
     abe_froman80 : lol
     abe_froman80 : You are fucking nuts
     damien_the_demon_kitty : All I'm doing is asking for substanciation, do you really feel threatened by that?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, more ad-homs, care to back them up?
     abe_froman80 : no I don't
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, then you aren't interested in any serious conversation.
     abe_froman80 : can't argue with someone that is so stuck in their ways
     abe_froman80 : I am reasonable
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:46:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : and just don't see you're point
     damien_the_demon_kitty : You don't even want to learn anything in here, all you hope to do is expound how great your point of view is.
     abe_froman80 : no offense
     abe_froman80 : and none taken
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, none taken? Really? So what was all the swearing about then?
     abe_froman80 : cmon
     abe_froman80 : what is your problem
     abe_froman80 : relax
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, and, if you're reasonable, why don't you back up your points?
     abe_froman80 : DAMIEN
     Summisse_Eloquens : Abe: Quite honestly, from what I have seen it is you who is stuck in your ways, you assumed to know a lot of things about Damien, and what he thinks and claims based on the fact that he questioned these miraculous events. And then when he defended himself, and showed that he never made such claims, that you were unhappy with the position it left you in, and you resorted to namecalling.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, I have no problem, I'm only asking for substanciation.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:47:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     Summisse_Eloquens : I'm guessing at this point I"m on ignore and that was a waste of energy, but if I am ignored I did deserve it.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, all-caps, do not make your posts any more effective.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Summisse, ah, you'd never deserve an iggy.
     Summisse_Eloquens : Damien_the_demon_kitty: Not so, I was rude. :P
     abe_froman80 : damien, I am done with it
     abe_froman80 : whatever, I don't really care anymore
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:48:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, I'm not, you tried to insult me, and I'm asking you to provide evidence that your rather derogatory comments about me are true.
     abe_froman80 : what do you care?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, so you admit you can't back up your points?
     abe_froman80 : its just an opinion
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, no, you stated it as fact.
     abe_froman80 : I don't have to back up anything to you
     abe_froman80 : huh?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, then you're a troll and have no place in this room.
     abe_froman80 : okay
     abe_froman80 : great
     abe_froman80 : a troll
     abe_froman80 : lol
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:49:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : and what are you a dragon?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, do you know what a troll is?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : In chat terms anyways.
     abe_froman80 : lives under a bridge and throws shit
     Summisse_Eloquens : trolling...likened to fishing and stirring up emotive type responses through bullshit statements made without evidence or basis.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:50:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, a troll is someone who comes into a room and who's sole purpose is to try to attract attention to themselves and get an emotional reaction (usually negative) out of someone else.
     belle_black2002 : I probably set my tab to where I don't accept personal messages.
     abe_froman80 : okay
     abe_froman80 : thats your opinion
     damien_the_demon_kitty : They don't intend to hold a serious conversation, but rather deliberately put out inflammatory remarks to try and elicit a response.
     Summisse_Eloquens : *laughs*
     abe_froman80 : and I don't care about it
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, more than an opinion, I can back it up.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:51:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, if you don't care, why have you spent the last ten minutes trying to tell me that you don't care?
     abe_froman80 : so?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : If you don't care, why have you not moved on yet?
     abe_froman80 : you keep talking
     abe_froman80 : because I am interested
     abe_froman80 : what the fuck
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, and you keep listening, so obviously you do care. Yet another claim of yours that's shown to be false.
     abe_froman80 : damien, you are a super intelligent person
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:52:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : you have it all figured out
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, so, you're interested, but don't care. I'm guessing in your little world these two concepts AREN'T contradictory?
     abe_froman80 : damien, why are you attacking
     abe_froman80 : back off
     abe_froman80 : just leave it alone
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, why do you think I'm attacking?
     Summisse_Eloquens : *raisesaneyebrow*
     abe_froman80 : cause you're an asshole
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, care to back that up?
     abe_froman80 : NO
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:53:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : You've now gone in a complete circle.
     abe_froman80 : FUCK YOU
     Summisse_Eloquens : Damien: I don't think you are getting an apology, or even someone to admit hey, I was out of line, wrong in my assumptions and statements..nothing like that.
     Summisse_Eloquens : Would be nice though.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : You claim I'm an asshole, you refuse to back it up, you claim I'm attacking, you refuse to back it up.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Summisse, oh well, it's still kind of fun.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, any evidence to back up your assertions?
     abe_froman80 : why does everything need to be backed up?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, because this is a debate room, and that is what you do in debates.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:54:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : But I'm sure you already knew that.
     abe_froman80 : well, we are debating about christianity anymore
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, well, when you moved from christianity to personal attacks, I only questioned your claims.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:55:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : sorry
     damien_the_demon_kitty : You're the one who stopped debating your religion, not me.
     abe_froman80 : I can't keep up
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, seems you were keeping up perfectly fine earlier.
     abe_froman80 : never said it was my religion, that is your assumption
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, an assumption based on reasonable evidence.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:56:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : no
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, want to watch me back up that claim?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Or would you care to say 'fuck you' and 'you're an asshole' again?
     abe_froman80 : I am not hear because I am necessarily christian, I am just curious why an atheist thinks they way they do
     abe_froman80 : thats all
     abe_froman80 : it seems very pessimistic
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:57:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, not really, you've already proven yourself to be a troll, you're not here to see anything but your own point of view.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : That's another claim I can back up if you're interested.
     abe_froman80 : you are an asshole
     abe_froman80 : I hope you know that
     abe_froman80 : do you?
     Summisse_Eloquens : Abe: Not really. It doesn't mean that there isn't a god. It simply means that at this time in their lives, and with their experience that they have seen no evidence for such, and as a result that they do not BELIEVE in one. It doesn't rule out the possibility, or mean that one doesn't exist, simply that they don't believe without a reason to do so.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, evidence to back that claim up?"
     damien_the_demon_kitty : I'm still waiting.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:58:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     john_s_tuttle : abe_froman80 will be ignored for tourettes
     Summisse_Eloquens : It takes nothing away from the quality of their lives, and it costs them nothing...not to mention one can change their mind if through either experience or evidence they happen to be swayed in another direction.
     abe_froman80 : just your comments
     "OMG CIG BRAK LOL" and "?HAHA I JSUT DRUNK 4 BEERS"
     damien_the_demon_kitty : This is so going on gremlin.net.
     Summisse_Eloquens : *shrugs* It's not difficult. to understand really.
     abe_froman80 : you're argument
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, which ones in particular?
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, what argument?
     abe_froman80 : just how you talk
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, how so? Elaborate.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Vague assertions are not evidence.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:59:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     abe_froman80 : like that shit right there
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, so, asking for evidence makes me an asshole?
     abe_froman80 : you see, I don't really care....okay, but you are on attack mode
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, evidence that I'm 'attacking' anything?
     abe_froman80 : you are harassing
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, if you don't care, why have you now spent the last thirty minutes talking to me?
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 01:00:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
     Summisse_Eloquens : Abe: If someone is harassing you, it's simple, ignore them.
     abe_froman80 : are we in a court room
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, how am I harrassing?
     abe_froman80 : I don't need to provide any fucking evidence
     abe_froman80 : that is your whole problem
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, this is a debate room, if you want anyone to take you seriously, you have to provide evidence.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : Abe, my problem?
     abe_froman80 : oh well, later
     Summisse_Eloquens : No, noone needs to provide any evidence, they just have to expect that without doing so people will rip their "arguments" to shreds, and call them just what they are, matter of opinion.
     damien_the_demon_kitty : The fact that you are unable to back up your claims is my problem? How is this?
     Summisse_Eloquens : And if they are worded as a matter of opinion...noone will ask for evidence.
     LOG DATA Wed, 16 Jul 2003 01:01:24 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1

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