hunter_the_crazychick: dean: Hawaii doesn't mention your god. It mentions divine guidance. To pretend that their gods are the same as your god is insulting their heritage: "We, the people of Hawaii, grateful for Divine Guidance, and mindful of our Hawaiian heritage and uniqueness as an island State, dedicate our efforts to fulfill the philosophy decreed by the Hawaii State motto, "Ua mau ke ea o ka aina i ka pono.""
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:12:24 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:13:24 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     deanj19504: Atheism is anti-freedom, it seeks to bring anarchy and chaos to our nation so that we will be ruled by immoral tyrants
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:14:24 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: Yup. I derailed dean.
     deanj19504: Derailed who?
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:16:24 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     deanj19504: render, that is a lie
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: you claim that all fifty states have 'god' in their preamble. You've been proven wrong. Hawaii makes no mention of your Christian God. To pretend that their gods are your god[s] is disrespectful, and to attempt to force your beliefs and interpretations is just insane.
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: the preamble of Hawaii's constition states this: "We, the people of Hawaii, grateful for Divine Guidance, and mindful of our Hawaiian heritage and uniqueness as an island State, dedicate our efforts to fulfill the philosophy decreed by the Hawaii State motto, "Ua mau ke ea o ka aina i ka pono.""
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: and I can assure you that their gods were not yourgods.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:17:24 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:18:24 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: I'm sure I missed an incredibly witty response from dean....
     deanj19504: Each session of congress is opened with prayer
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:20:45 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: Ah. He's just gone on to ignoring it. I'm sure when he bothers to acknowledge Hawaii's status as our fiftieth state, and the preamble of its constitution, he'll go ahead and claim that it means 'his god'. Which means that he probably subscribes to the 'obey or die' rule of old Hawaii....
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:21:45 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     deanj19504: Hunter, I see that you understand the preamble as much as you do about the Bible, such is expected of someone as young as you anyway, when you get older, it will come to you
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:22:45 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: thanks for proving me right. Thanks for showing me that you have fuck-all in the way of respect for others' religions and cultures, and fuck-all in the way of understanding much of anything.
     deanj19504: Hunter, tsk, tsk, settle down child
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:23:45 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: projecting emotions and agitated conditions onto me?
     deanj19504: Hunter, your words tell of your emotions
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: really? So tell me all about my emotions right now.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:24:45 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     deanj19504: sanke, and that makes you what??? a married, or what you think as married, queer now??
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: and I can preemptively tell you that you're wrong, because you're projecting emotions onto me that you *want* to be there, that you *want* to read into my words, instead of having any sort of understanding regarding me or my use of words overall, further proving my point about you.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:25:45 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:26:45 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     deanj19504: Hunter, you have no point, you have no arguement, your youthful utterances are nothing more than babble
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:27:45 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: my 'youthful utterances'? Is this an attempt to make my copying and pasting from a preamble look less credible than yours, or is it just you trying to weasel out of your earlier comment that 'all 50 states pay tribute to "God" in their preamble'?
     hunter_the_crazychick: Pity. I can't actualy find a translation of their state motto on their website.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:28:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     deanj19504: Hunter, you try to deny the truth. but it doesn't work
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:29:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: deny what truth? I'm not denying anything; I'm stating the fact that the Hawaii constitution preamble says 'Divine Guidance' and not 'God'. And you wish to pretend that 'Divine guidance' refers to *your* god, and not theirs.
     deanj19504: Hunter, so you are admitting that you believe in 'a' God?
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:30:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: reading into words? Twisting words? Where could you possibly get that from my statement? No, I'm not saying I believe in a 'god'. I'm stating that I know that Pele is not Jesus.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:31:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:32:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     deanj19504: Hunter, caught in your own trap, you say you don't believe in God but admit that what is mentioned in their preamble refers to something more than just human,,,my, my my, what do you do now....lol
     hunter_the_crazychick: despot: people in Hawaii still make offerings to Pele.
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: caught in what trap? I stated very clearly and very early on that THEIR god is not YOUR god. In fact, to be more clear, I should say that their GODS are not your GOD[S]. There is no trap; I have not been trapped.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:33:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: I have not 'accidentally admitted' that their preamble 'admits to a god'. I clarified that when I spanked you with their preamble. Their gods are not your gods. Their gods are not your gods. Their gods are not your gods. How many times do I have to say this? Their gods are not your gods....
     hunter_the_crazychick: despot: oh, probably....
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:34:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     deanj19504: Hunter, it does nto define, from your standpoint, which God, but does refer to 'a' God, so now you believe in a Supreme Being...good girl, that is the first step
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: or do you worship Pele?
     deanj19504: Hey Hillbilly
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:35:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: Divine Guidance, not "Supreme being". And I have never ever ever ONCE pretended that the concept of deities did not exist. If you would care to lie about me in such a way, then I will be forced to disregard you as a human entity, because liars are subhuman to me.
     hunter_the_crazychick: lilith: are you recognised as married, by the way?
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:36:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     deanj19504: Hunter, lol, trapped again, but your youth is apparent, now that you are thinking about God, it would be a good time to reflect on your life and the more important things, such as you service to Him
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: Pele is a goddess, not a god.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:37:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: where did you trap me? Show us all.
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: nobody else sees where you trapped me. Show us all.
     deanj19504: Hillbilly, Hunter is changing her views towards God, she is on the verge of becoming a believer, but we still have some work to do.
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: now you're outright lying about me? I hearby revoke your rights as a human. You are no longer human to me.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:38:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: you are nothing but a filthy, disgusting worm in my eyes now. You have lied about me.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:39:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: Pity I'm not using YmLite; I could change his name to 'lied about Hunter' on my screen.
     deanj19504: Hunter actually has the ability to revoke my human rights??? I'm really worried now....lol. But, think on it Hunter, you will find that God does love you and is waiting for you to return to Him.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:40:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: I have the ability to revoke your 'rights' to be viewed as a human by me. I no longer respect you as a part of my species. You are disgusting. You are a liar. I imagine that, were your god to exist in fact as you state he *is*, that he would view you much in the same way I do right now.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:41:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: Humanity?
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:42:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     deanj19504: hunter, now you know the mind of God?? But, anyway, it's nice to hear you considering God, soon you will remove the 'if' in your life and know that God loves you very much and has sent His Son to make us a path to Him for all eternity.
     hunter_the_crazychick: lilith: by the way, I'm attempting to compile a list of the 1,400 or so varied benefits/rights/whatever afforded to married couples by both the state and the federal laws.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:43:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: no. Now I know your mind. Your are filth. You persist in lying about me. You may not know better, but it's no less disgusting watching a retarded adult piss himself than it is to watch you intentionally lie to try to make yourself look better.
     hunter_the_crazychick: theo: no. I got a list compiled by a governmental memo or somefuckin'thing.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:44:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: theo: some 75 page thing, and some stuff from religioustolerance.org and all that.
     hunter_the_crazychick: theo: i've also been hitting other rights groups, and law sites. nolo.com, for example.
     deanj19504: Hunter, I admit to being a sinner. That's just it, you can't recognize your own faults and failures, but as i said before, time reveals all things, your still young.
     hunter_the_crazychick: Everyone has short little lists, but no full lists.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:45:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: you ought to admit that you know nothing about me, and that you are deeply and truly sorry for lying to me and about me, for intentionally misrepresenting facts, and for pissing yourself in public as you have just metaphorically done. Then you should go clean yourself up, and find a new place, where you are not viewed as a pants-wetter, where maybe people will actually agree with your narrowminded, somewhat bigotted views of a desperately theocratic future Talibanish America.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:46:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: nut: thanks.
     deanj19504: Ok, Hunter, i will leave you be for now, it's okay, I forgive you.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:47:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: I've done nothing. It's you who has transgressed. You ought not attempt to project your guilt onto others. It will not get you out of crimes.
     deanj19504: ...sigh...lol
     hunter_the_crazychick: Nut: so the list will actually be around 1,449ish, total.
     into_the_abyss2003: martin<<     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:48:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: yes. lol. Use your little graphical representation of a drowning man to show how you've dug yourself so deep that your hole has filled with water.
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: no matter what you try to project, you are the one who has lied, and who continues to lie. Not me.
     deanj19504: Ok, Hunter, whatever...lol.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:49:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: that's right. 'whatever'. Take the patented playing_in_the_dangerzone route out of a losing argument.
     nutinsspittles: LOL "WHATEVER" the response of a dishonest coward
     hunter_the_crazychick: dean: this doesn't change the fact that I had you from post one, and I can show this.
     deanj19504: lol...ok, Hunter, you over state your case
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:50:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: shall I use your ploy. Lol. Whatever. I've brought you closer to Pele?
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: or maybe lol, whatever, Cthulhu loathes you?
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:51:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     deanj19504: Hunter, still can't give it up, even though you claim a (snicker) victory?
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:52:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: dean: this is no longer about the point I proved with one post. This is about how you're no longer a human in my eyes, and no longer deserve respect. This is about me treating you like a dead rat. This is about you lying about me. This is about this: 'deanj19504: Hillbilly, Hunter is changing her views towards God, she is on the verge of becoming a believer, but we still have some work to do.'
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:53:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     deanj19504: truth hurt that much?
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: what truth? What hurt? Projecting your feelings onto me?
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:54:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: dean: wait, here's your chance! What were my views on deities, and what are they now?
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:55:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     deanj19504: Hunter, the only thing you have proved is that you never had a challenge to my posts in the first place, you should have left well enough alone and now you keep posting endless sentences that prove you have backed yourself in a corner and have no other way to go but try to 'fake' your way out of it
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:56:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     hunter_the_crazychick: deanj19504: show that I 1. had no case, 2. am backed into a corner, and 3. have changed my views on god.
     hunter_the_crazychick: Specifically, on *your* god, as opposed to the many thousands of other gods, some of which I know little to nothing about.
     LOG DATA Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:57:46 hunter_the_crazychick, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
     deanj19504: Hunter I will go for now, but we can pick this up later when i come back, it will give you time to reflect on what God really means to you
     

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