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Posted by Gremlin [24.8.18.225 - c-24-8-18-225.client.comcast.net] on 27 April 2004 at 10.36.14 ZuluTime:
This troll was just fun. Fun enough to immoratilse it in hypertext....
LOG OPEN Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:55:07 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1 Imbecile....
deadman_932: lisa:x
rlpc1: That is what you said.
vertical_pig: Gremlin: Some would be considered religious, as their beliefs do cross over into the transcendental
to_sir_with_love_roxy: i do not think or believe as the religious people believe or as the atheist believe.
tonicopm: Many buddhists are theists...I mena, ACTUAL theists, with gods and stuff.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:55:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
evilcoffeechick* (away) "Idle"
sgt_gator2000: Oh hell, rlpc is even too afraid to put up a profile, much less give me his credentials.
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Joe. :X
sgt_gator2000: Do you even have a degree, rlpc?
pisyfsh: buddhists don't blieve in a god....
to_sir_with_love_roxy: brb
ondobot: to_sir_with_love_roxy, promise?
vertical_pig: But mainstream Buddhism is possibly better considered a philosophy or, as coined by Paul Kurtz, a eupraxophy
durtyolman2: morning deadman !
pierre_j_savoie: Tonic that is not a concept of Buddhism. Buddhists are only theists like in China where they accept several religions at the same time.
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Yes. Some buddhists are theists. And some are atheists.
gremlin_net: Religious [adjective]: of or having to do with a bond between men and deities.
Lisa_the_Insomniac: I've met both types.
rlpc1: Fine, master's degree. And not all of us hve to put up a profile. And it's woman
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: i se little difference between you and a hundred other creationists that come through here. many of whom claim to be nonreligious christians (:-/)
tonicopm: Some buddhists EVEn think Buddha himself was kindda "divine condition", which is a fancy way to call him god.
vertical_pig: tonic: Theistic buddhism is primarily a Western/US new age bullshit movement
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:56:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
sgt_gator2000: OK, master's in what?
pisyfsh: he was a TEACHER not a god
ondobot: sgt_gator2000, that's a damn good question.
rlpc1: criminal justice. did I not tell you that a long time ago
gremlin_net: I've never met a buddhist who called the buddha a deity.
tonicopm: Pierre, I really dunno that much about buddhism; I only know that many of them, probably manly in china as you say, workship gods...
pierre_j_savoie: Buddhists don't say there are Gods in the sense of supreme big-daddies. But they believe in spirits and "elder brothers" helping you along the path to enlightenment, but no different from you, or maybe they started out as wretched worms like you...hehehe.
tonicopm: Perhaps Pig...really I dunno.
acosmic_skullduggerer: to_sir_with_love_roxy: "agnostic" in it's correct context is not an "alternative" to atheism/theism... you either believe in gods, or you lack belief in gods, therefore, you are either theist, or atheist... "agnostic" in it's correct context is a label for those who posess that absolute knowledge (of anything, not just gods) can be attained
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:57:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
sgt_gator2000: And you're just now going into law enforcement from corrections?
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Yes, ondo. If I had a dime for every creationist who claimed he wasn't a creationist, wasn't a Christian (when it's obvious he is, and not a muslim creationist or something else), wasn't even a theist...
acosmic_skullduggerer: posess the belief*
sgt_gator2000: And by the way, I question if you have a master's degree, based on the fact that you cannot identify the type of research you're doing
pierre_j_savoie: Creationists, did you read this? http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html There will be a test later!
pisyfsh: perfect pierre
tonicopm: Well, g2g make some order in this house...after all I'm the dad...**sigh**. Be well y'all!
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:58:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
deadman_932: toodles, toniit
rlpc1: there is nothing wrong with corrections. the only reason I went corrections first is due to health problems,
ondoher1* notes it is 2am
cleansingbreath: hi toni
deadman_932: yes, it is, ondo
cleansingbreath: hi deadman
deadman_932: i just woke up:P
ondoher1: i deadman: why ain't i sleeping then?
gremlin_net: I like the one who claim that christianity isn't a religion, but some form of prostitution involving dead rabbis. Those are the most fun.
acosmic_skullduggerer* takes note :-|
to_sir_with_love_roxy: i do not believe Adam and eve were the first two people.
deadman_932: hello, cleasing
gremlin_net: ones*
deadman_932: i dunno, ondo...insomnia?
sgt_gator2000: Well, where I'm from, corrections is the bottom of the barrel. What are you gonna do in law enforcement with your "master's degree"?
to_sir_with_love_roxy: creationist do
pierre_j_savoie: Buddhists have had 4 historical conclaves to decide just what the heck Buddhism is about. Schisms have been caused, different schools developed...
ondobot: And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear. You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band your in starts playing different tunes. I'll see you on the dark-side of the moon.
ondoher1: i deadman: no, just got arguing, i guess
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:59:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
deadman_932: well, sleep is good, ondo:)
durtyolman2: 5 1m here
durtyolman2: am
ondoher1* agrees with deadman
deadman_932: hey durty:)
the_great_spazmo: OK, having just done some internet checking, I apologise for former statements about Criminal Justice. In the UK, Criminal Justice is a post-grad law degree, Criminology is a law enforcement post-grad degree. The confusion between the two subjects is all mine, but I blame the fact that we are two countries separated by the same language.
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: not all creationists do
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:00:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
rlpc1: you're belittling the field you said you come from. Many departments now require at least an associate's degree and some a bachelor's. I worked and earned my degree
durtyolman2: back
acosmic_skullduggerer: to_sir_with_love_roxy: as far as I'm aware, there are creationists that don't believe in Adam and Eve
gremlin_net: the_great_spazmo: I'm not so sure about that. I don't regard English and American as the same language.
pierre_j_savoie: To Christian people here: didn't you read my message about Eternal Life from God vs. Eternal Life as finally developed by Man, something God can't prevent? (Gen. 11:6) Why are you backing the wrong horse?
acosmic_skullduggerer: to_sir_with_love_roxy: all it takes to be a creationist is posessing a belief that the world was "created" by a being outside our own universe
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:01:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
ondobot: “It appears you’re leading a double life, mister baggins. In one, you are frodo baggins, peaceful resident of the shire, productive member of society. In the other, you are mister underhill, transporting contraband across middle earth constantly on the run from Nazgul.”
ondobot: “One of these has a future...the other does not””
acosmic_skullduggerer: intelligent* being
sgt_gator2000: Well, rlpc, can you tell me what type of statistical analysis you'll do on your research? What are your independent and dependent variables?
pierre_j_savoie: Ah! Was I just booted just now?
Lisa_the_Insomniac: to_sir_with_love_roxy, your bullshit claim about not having religious beliefs aside, it's still IRRELEVANT. You are going by the false dichotomy that evolution and other scientific discoveries are inherently in conflict with faith. That you can only believe one OR the other. This is bullshit. As evidenced by the fact that most Christian and Jewish denominations officially accept evolution and state it doesn't conflict with their teachings.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:02:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
the_great_spazmo: They are not identical, but I can speak American and British with some fluency. I tried to do the same thing in Tokyo. Pah!
Lisa_the_Insomniac: And have stated you believe your faith statement OVER scientific facts like evolution, despite ALL the evidence. That pretty much sums you up as ignorant/uneducated, religiously fanatic, and pretty dishonest. Especially after your logical fallacies and false claims have been exposed several times.
acosmic_skullduggerer: pierre, I doubt it, Yahoo's regurgitating it's users
lilah_2020x: pierre, why is it important to you what personal beliefs people hold and why? Why is it important that others think as believe as you do?
pierre_j_savoie: Lisa, yeah, but they're not REAL Christian churches, in his thinking maybe.
sgt_gator2000: lisa- evolution is a THEORY, not a scientific fact
durtyolman2: sgt, get a grip
pierre_j_savoie: Lilah, what is the coherent argument that science WON'T come up with eternal life on its own, especially since God poses no obstacle to this research? (Gen. 11:6!)
alcyonian* is in chat
Lisa_the_Insomniac: And no, not all creationists believe Adam and Eve were two literal people. Not all believe the earth is 6000 years old. Not all believe the mythical global flood happened, or the tower of babel. There are many different groups of creationists, who disagree about HOW literally they take the bible.
ondobot: pierre_j_savoie, this isn't an argument, it's a contradiction
to_sir_with_love_roxy: i know what i was taught about evolution and the big bang all through elementary ,Jr and high school oh and college. Now you are correct if you believe evolution and the big bang have progressed over the years to what it is now; however that just proves my point.
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: right. Evolution is a theory designed to explain the fact that things evolve.
Alcyonian*
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:03:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
vertical_pig: sgt_gator: It's both... The theory explains the fact
deadman_932: gator, evolution is a fact
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: actually it iu both
ondobot: Alcyonian could make even a bot blush. :">
acosmic_skullduggerer: sgt, hello, I think you've been corrected several times on that matter
Lisa_the_Insomniac: They argue with EACH OTHER as much as they argue with science.
ondoher1: i *is
deadman_932: heh, this sgt. gator character, pissant intellectually though he be,..is an insistent pile of shit
Lisa_the_Insomniac: But they tend to do it more privately.
pierre_j_savoie: Until Lilah has something concrete to put on the pan-balance of an argument, she should shut the fuck up.
lilah_2020x: pierre, there is none.
Alcyonian: Ondobot :X
ondoher1: i deadman: he seems impervious to facts
sgt_gator2000: deadman, even the scientific community still refers to it as a THEORY, so who are you to say it's fact?
Alcyonian: Joe, it is.
ondobot: Alcyonian, :x
durtyolman2: jo :)
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000:" they refer to it as both
deadman_932: gator, fuck you, mental midget
sgt_gator2000: Just read the scientific journals
Lisa_the_Insomniac: "creationist", in the context used in here, generally refers to ANTI-EVOLUTIONISTS. And a wide diversity of beliefs is included.
vertical_pig: sgt_gator: And physicist are still using the Theory of Gravity... Doctors still use the Germ Theory of Disease
deadman_932: evolution is defined as WHAT in science, asshole?
Alcyonian: Durty :)
ondobot: deadman_932, I'd call that insightful, but I'd be lying.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:04:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
durtyolman2: sgt, try reading them and understanding what they are refering to as theory
deadman_932: answer that question, sgt. shithead
Lisa_the_Insomniac: sgt_gator2000, you are LYING again. Evolution is a fact, about which we have a theory. Learn some science, get over your ignorance.
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: the theory of evolution, also called the modern synthesis, explains the fact of evolution, also called common ancestry
alcyonian* left pager (idle)
sgt_gator2000: It is NOT referred to as fact in scientific journals, but I don't know anybody in this room, aside from myself, who could handle reading past the first page (there are no pictures)
Alcyonian: No wonder you went quiet :|
vertical_pig: Physicists are currently trying to take the Theory of Gravity and marry it to Quantum Theory to create a Theory of Quantum Gravity
rlpc1: I'm just getting information. general research. I'm staring to get information together for when I get my PhD years down the road. Contacting facilities, getting turnover rates and reasons for leaving
acosmic_skullduggerer: sgt, "evolutionary theory" is a theory, the phenomenon of evolution itself is a known fact
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: name a 'scientific journal' real quick. Here's a hint: Discover Magazine doesn't count.
lilah_2020x: pierre, who said man would never create eternal life?
deadman_932: gator, or sgt. shithead, how is evolution DEFINED in SCIENCE?
ondobot: deadman_932, don't you hate people who answer a question with a question?
durtyolman2: sgt, too bad you don't know the difference between something, evolution, and how that something works, theory of evolution
deadman_932: here, fucknut, let me make it easy for you, since, youseem to operate at a schoolyard level
the_great_spazmo: sgt_gator: As the Laws of Thermodynamics are entailed within the Theory of Thermodynamics, does that strengthen or weaken Thermodynamics?
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:05:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
ondoher1* laughs at sgt_gator2000 pretension to intellectual superiority
ondobot: ondoher1, I think i must have missed that joke. Can you explain it to me?
Alcyonian: Theory of Thermodynamics?
sgt_gator2000: What about reading the literature (books, journals)? The research could have already been done, and you'd merely be replicating research
lilah_2020x: pierre, are you currently signed with a cryogenics company to freeze your body for the future?
ondoher1: i hello, hello
ondoher1: i odd
ondobot: Look, it's my maker! Hi ondoher1!
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000 will be more laughable when he starts complaining about the theory of gravity....
the_great_spazmo: An assemblage of laws can be bundled together as a theory
durtyolman2: ondo ?
dead_man932: fucking yahoo
sgt_gator2000: And if you don't do your literature review now, you could easily be setting yourself up for plagiarism charges down the road
pierre_j_savoie: Lilah, the religious seem to IMPLY that man is limited, he can't achieve anything on his own, he's just a wiggly little worm, all praise God because it makes the religion biz easier.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:06:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
Lisa_the_Insomniac: sgt_gator2000 claims that theories BECOME laws when "proven enough". That pretty much tells us he doesn't know what he's talking about.
sgt_gator2000: LAW of gravity
dead_man932: okay, sgt. shithead, as i said, let me make it easy for you
Alcyonian: I know the philosophical principles of Thermodynamics and the Laws, even their applications, but "theory" is that going back to gas works?
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: do you stil think theories become laws?
acosmic_skullduggerer: sgt, I'm still waiting for your demonstration that a theory in any field of science has ever "graduated" to anything more than a theory
durtyolman2: "law of gravity" lol
dead_man932: evolution is DEFINED in biology as the differential success of alleles, fuckface
vertical_pig: Test
dead_man932: that is a FACT
sgt_gator2000: I see dead man is really objective in his criticisms, calling names
vertical_pig: Ah, much better
dead_man932: it occurs all day, fucknut sgt shithead
sgt_gator2000: A fact in what book?
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: look past the names to the information
rlpc1: That stage will come later for me. I have plenty of time. There's a difference between actually getting the hard facts yourself and just picking up a book and having someone tell you
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:07:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
pierre_j_savoie: Lilah I don't have to freeze myself. I just have to vandalize a place of worship in such a way as the newspapers report it. Hundreds of years later, the scientists who develop eternal life translate the newspapers out of the archaic English used, realize this is a guy of like mind to them, and resurrect me and all my memories from an ingrown toenail-cell.
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: theory of gravity. Read a scientific journal sometime, 'tard....
dead_man932: gator, you really are dense, aren't you?
sgt_gator2000: Look at that- wow, isn't dead man a great debator?
lilah_2020x: pierre, man has accomplished great and mighty things. But man is limited. Otherwise we would have already found cures for diseases, etc.. limited as of now
vertical_pig: sgt_gator: As physicists still use the Theory of Gravity, does this mean gravity's existence is questionable?
dead_man932: you're too stupid to tell that antibiotic resistance is conferred by allelic change?
Alcyonian: Joe, you KNOW the tactic being used...
to_sir_with_love_roxy: i find it dumbfounding and ironic that liars are compelled to call everyone a liar.
Alcyonian: Don't fall for it hehe
Alcyonian: Oh you're not
Alcyonian: sorry.
vertical_pig: Does the Germ Theory of Disease mean that we should believe that "Demons cause illness" is just as valid?
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: be specific
acosmic_skullduggerer: to_sir_with_love_roxy
dead_man932: you're too dense to know that allele frequencies result in speciation as in cichlids, finches and all other animals?
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:08:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
dead_man932: you're too dense to KNOW what you're talking about before you open your insulting yap?
Lisa_the_Insomniac: sgt_gator2000 doesn't want to look past the names to the information. He's made that clear. And the names mostly just started when that was obvious.
lilah_2020x: lol pierre, well that very well may happen. But if you're a mean bastard who would want it to? :P
gremlin_net: Hang on. Did sgt_gator2000 really just suggest that a new scientific discovery could be construed as plagiarism if it happens to support an older one? Is he really that dumb?
ondoher1: i and the atomic theory of chemistry means things might be comprised of earth, air, fire and water
dead_man932: you insulted OTHERS here FIRST< sgt. shithead
acosmic_skullduggerer: to_sir_with_love_roxy: I find it amazing that _______(mystery name)_______ are incapable of seeing how pathetic they are themselves
sgt_gator2000: rlpc, if you knew anything about research, you'd know that you have to do the literature review before collecting data, to see if the research has already been tried, and if there are flaws in the research that you could improve upon, and to prevent charges of plagiarism
dead_man932: i was just wondering how YOU liked it
rlpc1: that's what I thought grem
pierre_j_savoie: Lilah, if man is so "limited" why did God say in Gen. 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Alcyonian: Not in psychological reports.
Alcyonian: The literature review is omitted.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:09:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
Alcyonian: It's added to the abstract
Lisa_the_Insomniac: to_sir_with_love_roxy, I'm not dumbfounded that liars call othrs liars. It's standard liar practice. Thanks for demonstrating.
Alcyonian: Hmm and observation reports too.
vertical_pig* will be wandering off soon, but decides to check Alcyonian's site to see if I have been deemed worthy yet
Alcyonian: You dont require a lit. review.
lilah_2020x: pierre, my interpretation of that is that mankind lost their innocence. Not gained unlimited knowledge.
dead_man932: do you LIKE being insulted sgt. shitforbrains? why can YOU do it and it's okay, but you whine like a little girl if a person insults your puny intellect, sgt?
pierre_j_savoie: Lilah, seeing as Pasteur accomplished what hundreds of years of prayer did not, it is likely humans will achieve eternal life in a way hundreds of years of prayer did not. So, ironically, you gain eternal life from your OPPOSITION to religion, and not from following a religion itself.
dead_man932: huh?
sgt_gator2000: um, alcy- first, I think I was talking about CRIMINAL JUSTICE, not psychology
dead_man932: you stupid cockholster
rlpc1: I'm getting ready for my thesis. So what if I dod things ass backwards in your mind. It's not your thesis now is it
alcyonian* is on pager
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:10:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
Alcyonian: Criminal Justice? You still require an assessment and observation.
sgt_gator2000: dead, I'm not calling anyone names
Alcyonian: And you don't necessitate a lit review.
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: do you still think theories become laws?
dead_man932: gator, you sure as fuck did, cockholster
lilah_2020x: pierre, possibly. But there are those who would prefer to believe other things for different reasons.
Alcyonian: "it does not
dead_man932: evolution is a FACT< ass
to_sir_with_love_roxy: An atheists only defense is to call others that believe differently than they do "all liars".
gremlin_net: On the bright side, sgt_gator2000 was just bright enough to name himself after an animal which hasn't evolved significantly in three hundred million years. Although, I have met smarter alligators, personally.
acosmic_skullduggerer: gremlin, No, he's having a chat with some other guy concerning research in criminal justice
sgt_gator2000: alcyonian, you just said that the scientific method, from the texts, is irrelevant
ondobot: Hello, i'm ondobot
pierre_j_savoie: Lilah, the trouble with a belief in spontaneous answers for things is that the answers never come.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:11:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
Alcyonian: You can add lit reviews in abstracts and/or intro's
vertical_pig: to_sir: Strange.... Lisa is a theist and I haven't seen atheists calling her a liar
dead_man932: it is defined as ALLELE changes in frequencies, you shitforbrain little petty pissant texas rush-limbaugh sucking cracker
Alcyonian: Thus not NEEDING a lit review UNLESS specified.
fastillion: sgt_gator2000: I see thanatos is so pathetic <--- Remember this?
gremlin_net: Lisa is a theist who doesn't lie. She may be a new order of intelligence.
lilah_2020x: pierre, spontaneous answers meaning answers to prayer?
sgt_gator2000: Lit reviews are NECESSARY to prevent unnecessary replication of research and to prevent plagiarism
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: i usually assume most people are just ignorant
vertical_pig* is still offended by Alcyonian's website
acosmic_skullduggerer: gremlin, he is probably right about the subject he was referring to in Criminal Justice, but as far as science goes, he's a _______
Alcyonian: I just wrote a report that did not ask for a lit. review.
pierre_j_savoie: Lilah, anything requesting an answer or action by God. God stands mute, never having done anything in the past.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: of course athesit do not call other atheist "liars".
rlpc1: well, it's a girl, but okay. I'm done with him any way. came in to chat a bit before bed. not wonder on how in the hell someone became chief with such an attitude
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:12:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
acosmic_skullduggerer: more like a ________ ______________ ________!
vertical_pig: How does one commit plagiarism without reviewing the literature to find something to plagiarise?
ondoher1: i the best way to prevent plagerism is not not plagerize
Alcyonian: They are ONLY necessary if the global/national requirements come into consideration.
durtyolman2: to_sir, you misrepresented teh facts, that is lying, or ignorance, take your pick
Lisa_the_Insomniac: to_sir_with_love_roxy, now you are LYING again. Whether the people here are theist (like me) or atheist (like most of the others who see through your bullshit), we're calling you a liar because you've demonstrated you are one. Not because you "believe differently". I believe differently than the atheists here, and most don't call me a liar for it. Nor do I call them liars.
gremlin_net: acosmic_skullduggerer: possibly. I just woke up, and I'm not putting enough effort into translating from trollspeak. If he were able to get a whole thought into a single post, it would help.
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: i've met atheist liars.
ondobot: Help me if you can I'm feeling down, and I do appreciate you being 'round. Won't you help me get my feet back on the ground. Won't you please, please help me.
lilah_2020x: pierre, I disagree. God has evidently done some things for many people or human nature being what it is, they would have completely lost their faith never to return.
dead_man932: irlpc..did you feel he was insulting to you? i thought he was
Alcyonian: Why would a literature review be added into "every report"?
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: and lisa is nto an atheist
durtyolman2: vertical, don't get too technical on sgt now lol
vertical_pig: Ondoher: Bullshit, you liar!
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:13:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
sgt_gator2000: Yep, it's a terrible attitude to be sure that a "researcher" is doing their "research" properly
rlpc1: lol
vertical_pig: Oh wait... Sorry
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Pig, a FEW atheists call me a liar. Like blackheartedprophet. :)
dead_man932: and i see that he gets all hurt if others insult him
vertical_pig: You're right
ondoher1: i pig :)) see, you liar
Lisa_the_Insomniac: They are usually the anti-theist sort, though.
Alcyonian: Joe, when you were doing your papers, were you asked to give lit. reviews?
rlpc1: :-P
pierre_j_savoie: Lilah, are you even reading? There is no wiggle-room when your GOd says now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
dead_man932: not neccessarily, jo
sgt_gator2000: alcy, I'm not talking about "reports", I'm talking about BEHAVIORAL SCIENCE RES
dead_man932: i knew all the material already
acosmic_skullduggerer: to_sir_with_love_roxy: bullshit, I call fellow atheists on their lies whenever I see them... especially when it's something to the order of "evolution disproves God"
sgt_gator2000: research
Alcyonian: Only time I was requested to do a lit. review in the last 6 months was for ministerial considerations.
pierre_j_savoie: Scientific research is why we can fly faster than God's own self-reported speed, the speed of sound.
vertical_pig* retracts his insult and then realises that Ondoher was indeed a liar... Oh bugger... Retracts... LIAR!! Shit!.... retracts
to_sir_with_love_roxy: what did i lie about. of course you can not name it.
dead_man932: i don't do lit reviews in original work, either
gremlin_net: blackheart is not representative of atheism. He's definitely antitheistic.
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: do you still think theories become laws? you've not answered this question yet
Alcyonian: sgt_gator2000: Thank you. My report I submitted today was CHILD DEVELOPMENT.
the_great_spazmo: blackheartedprophet has to call someone a liar at least 40 times a day. I've seen him call himself a liar in quieter moments
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:14:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
Alcyonian: Guess what that ENTAILS?
ondobot: Alcyonian, do you really want an answer to that question?
vertical_pig* gets dizzy and falls onto the sofa
Alcyonian: And I did NOT require a literature review.
Lisa_the_Insomniac: I assume people are ignorant when they say such stupid things as sgt and to_sir. At first. When you correct them, and back it up, and they ignore it and keep peddling their lies, with silly value judgements about atheists and other bullshit thrown in, I assume they're full of shit.
lilah_2020x: pierre, I am not wiggling. I am statingmy own interpretation. And unlimited knowledge for mankind is a possibility there but when is it going to happen?
durtyolman2: tosir, that evolution say sthinsg come from nothing, duh
rlpc1: poor vert
vertical_pig* blames Ondoher
Alcyonian: Social and physical behaviour of childs of certain ages - in certain environments.
Alcyonian: Behavourial!
ondoher1* has been blamed for worse
pierre_j_savoie: Scientific research is also why we can communicate with each other faster than God's own self-reported speed for communication: the speed of sound. Why on EARTH should I believe in a God who can't fly to London faster than I can?
sgt_gator2000: roxy, have you noticed how the athiests in here can't go for two minutes without using profanity or calling Christians names, while at the same time, they fear using the word CHRISTian, and have to write xtian?
Alcyonian: *children.
ondobot: sgt_gator2000, the word is atheists, not athiests.
dead_man932: gator, i worked in the behavioral and social sciences. you are a clueless fucking wanna-begator, what are you a child?
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:15:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: I haven't noticed that; and I've been here for years.
ondobot: dead_man932, was that a rhetorical question?
vertical_pig: sgt: Really? Could you please support that claim with evidence?
dead_man932: are you some kind of little kid, gator?
ondobot: vertical_pig, boy, you're just full of questions, aren't you?
ondoher1* always types christian out and has not used profanity for hours
rlpc1: lol right on dead!!!!
dead_man932: you DID insult people here, assbreath
vertical_pig* uses "Christian" and rarely swears except in jest at Ondoher and similar fuckwads
Alcyonian: Joe, my literature rev was condensed into the introduction.
dead_man932: now you're CRYING?
Alcyonian: Thus not needing a whole category of its own.
vertical_pig* apologises to Ondoher
ondoher1: i haha, asshole
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: but then, I'm aware that the term 'xian' [when not being used to indicated a town in China] was coinde by christworshippers as a form of shorthand.
lilah_2020x: pierre, you shouldn't. I believe a certain philosophy for certain reasons based on reasoning ability. So should you.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: and i lied Gator.
gremlin_net: indicate*
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:16:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
sgt_gator2000: alcyonian, different fields have different requirements for their research, as do different countries, and I notice you're not from the Us
gremlin_net: And coined*
pierre_j_savoie: Lilah, what IS this mysterious philosophy?
Alcyonian: My paper was a psychological research report on behavourial science - child development. I did not, nor was I required to submit a lit. review.
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: when you repeat a claim that has been refuted, without acknowledging or countering the refutation, would that be called dishonest?
gremlin_net: I need to develop a new rule: no more typing before I've had an entire can of soda in the 'morning'.
ondobot: ondoher1, I've often wondered that myself.
acosmic_skullduggerer: sgt, I haven't used profanity once here tonight, wait, that's a lie, I used profanity when I mentioned what program I use to create flash animations... (lol) and I don't seem to remember ever in my life time ever saying "xtian"
to_sir_with_love_roxy: you still miss my point
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:17:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
to_sir_with_love_roxy: my point is.............read my lips..............
Alcyonian: sgt_gator2000: Does not matter, we still are bound by western academics.
the_great_spazmo: sgt_gator: People use xtian or xian instead of Christian as a form of shorthand. I prefer not to use shorthand. I am not afraid of shrivelling up by mentioning Christ, and neither is anyone else, except for a few teen vampire wannabes (who don't really count).
dead_man932: well, gee, gator, i was in bothe the behavioral and social sciences fields..and you still are wrong about evolution as a fact ( allelic change) and a theory ( neodarwinian natural selection)
Alcyonian: Hence, APA and MLA.
rlpc1: have a can for me grem. not allowed to touch the stuff while pregnant
durtyolman2: to_sir, you made no point othe rthan you never quite understood evolution
gremlin_net: 'christian' is arguably profane.
lilah_2020x: pierre, I do believe in a supreme being. And I believe in that supreme being for very personal reasons others may not understand. That is why I do not care to share my reasons as to why.
acosmic_skullduggerer: sgt, if I was afraid of saying "christian", I'd say "ChriSTAIN" have you noticed how many christians actually make that typo?
dead_man932: so, you whiny little child, maybe you should head for the teen rooms where cussing is frowned upon, gator
pierre_j_savoie: Lilah, that just makes you close-minded for output instead of input. :-)
Alcyonian: And Social Science in my country it is APA (American)
gremlin_net: rlpc1: that's no fun....
sgt_gator2000: alyconian, I'll explain it again- if you were in the US, psychological research would be governed by the American Psychological Association, and CJ research would be governed by the Academy of Criminal Justice Science
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:18:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
acosmic_skullduggerer: to_sir_with_love_roxy: I can't read lips though text..
Alcyonian: I just SAID it.
Alcyonian: APA!
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: whoops, l;ooks like you don't read while you type
gremlin_net: rlpc1: just for that, I'm never getting pregnant. Well, that, along with my Y chromosome....
Alcyonian: We use APA!
sgt_gator2000: You didn't mention ACJS
ondoher1: i *looks
pierre_j_savoie: Would that belief in God really WERE like an Iron Curtain country, where nothing escapes from the brain of the believer!
athena4_13_7: ppl should just respect other ppl's perception of things... besides, nobody's perfect..... well if u still believe that phrase anyhow
sgt_gator2000: ACJS uses the Chicago format
lilah_2020x: pierre, no. That just makes me not care to be judged at this hour on a thought and belief system that a discussion of would lead to hours.
durtyolman2: sgt, she was talking of her work, why would she mention that ?
durtyolman2: jeese
Alcyonian: APA is the WRITING STYLE that is the foundations.
ondobot: Hello gera_55555, welcome to my humble abode.
Alcyonian: And your claim that because I am from a different country, thus exempt, is bull.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:19:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
athena4_13_7: and it builds by itself from that foundation
rlpc1: grem, not so bad. feeling the baby move is cool. wait, sgt will say I'm not pregant because I'm not giving enough detail and didn't do a lit review before
ondoher1: i athena4_13_7: that's fine, until they start trying to enforce their beliefs into my schools and the laws that govern me
sgt_gator2000: Because she thinks she is also able to tell me how the CJ field does research
pierre_j_savoie: Lilah, even if you cover-ass about your beliefs, whatever those beliefs are, freedom from belief is within easy reach. http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html
to_sir_with_love_roxy: .......That evolutionists beliefs have progressed to what it is now. It isn't the same belief as it was when i was younger and taught about it..
durtyolman2: sgt, you seem to be confused again
athena4_13_7: some ppl dont believe in laws anymore
sgt_gator2000: hardly
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: you never taught evolution
athena4_13_7: but i respect whatever ppl believe in
dead_man932: eh, gator is selectively filtering the posts mentally, since he can only talk shit selectively
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:20:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
lilah_2020x: omg pierre, are you preaching atheism to me? hoping to "save" me? :((
durtyolman2: to_sir, evolution was NEVER about something coming from nothing
to_sir_with_love_roxy: lol your crazy
gremlin_net: Yeah. I've thought about it now. I've never seen, say, a G-rated film in which a character said, for example, 'for christ's sake'. So, logically, the lack of profanity would demand abstaining from the use of the word.
lilah_2020x: I do not even care for Christian preachers
ondoher1: i what about my crazy?
sgt_gator2000: I'm the most qualified person in the room to speak of criminal justice research, having had MULTIPLE research studies published nationally
athena4_13_7: who does?
pierre_j_savoie: Lilah, why not? Your place on the Eternal Life Train depends on abandoning religion, as I clearly explained before. :-)
rlpc1: wherte
to_sir_with_love_roxy: i never said i taught it. i said when i was taught about it.
rlpc1: oops wher3e
lilah_2020x: pierre... *cringe*
Alcyonian: sgt_gator2000: You have moved the goal posts 3 times since I have engaged you in this conversation, and I have let you. Now I will step back for a second to the beginning. Not all reports REQUIRE a literature review. They can be placed inside the abstract/intro. Not all psychological reporsts require a lit review. Not all behavourial science require a lit review. I use APA, which I stated. I don't care about the criminal
gera_55555: hi
athena4_13_7: research have been investigated and proven?
Alcyonian: sector, they are still bound by a foundation, the one I use, APA.
gera_55555: sibdi pipi
durtyolman2: sgt, and the discussion was about both CJ AND behaviour. god
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:21:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: and one of the least qualified to discuss biology and evolution, and apparently the scientific method
pierre_j_savoie: Lilah, I love you and don't want to see nothing happen to you after you die. I am offering you Atheist Salvation.
Lisa_the_Insomniac: sgt_gator2000 just brings up the silly charges about atheists "afraid to type Christian" or "using profanity" to get off the topic. That he's full of shit. And won't even acknowledge his own earlier claims (like that theories become laws when "proven", etc).
gremlin_net: pierre_j_savoie will be seen soon at a baseball game, holding up a large sign reading 'ECCLESIASTES 9.10!' >:)
ondobot: You're no-BOT-y 'til some-BOT-y loves you.
dead_man932: gosh, so that's why you know nothing about actual science, gator..makes sense
lilah_2020x: pierre, maybe I don't want to live forever
acosmic_skullduggerer: to_sir_with_love_roxy: you should have been taught it
lilah_2020x: pierre, stop! :((
the_great_spazmo: You may well be sgt_gator. Nevertheless, that does not give you the right to twist scientific terminology to your own ends.
sgt_gator2000: The SCIENTIFIC METHOD states that the literature review is the SECOND STEP
dead_man932: here, gator, just to mollify your delicate sensibilities , i won't cuss anymore
Alcyonian: sgt_gator2000: No it does not.
dead_man932: i'll just call you an idiot or a moron, as you richly deserve
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: i doubt you were taught very much about evolution, if you were, none of it stuck
sgt_gator2000: That's for natural sciences, behavioral sciences
durtyolman2: lol sgt
durtyolman2: sgt must be a troll
Alcyonian: sgt_gator2000: It is made up of 5 main points.
Alcyonian: APA is not one of them.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:22:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
acosmic_skullduggerer: to_sir_with_love_roxy: especially before you go about trying to teach ABOUT it
ondobot: If you like bots, check out http://www.uber-geek.com/ If you don't, then excuuuuuuuuuuuuse, meeeeeeeeeeee!
Lisa_the_Insomniac: gator is hoping people will just forget the stupid things he said, if he doesn't address them anymore and tries to change the subject with counter accusations (and silly ones at that).
Alcyonian: sgt_gator2000: I doubt very much you know the fields you are talking about.[
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: the scientiic method states that theories NEVER become laws
gremlin_net: durtyolman2: he is. That's conclusive.
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Silly, reactionary ones to make the other person go on the defensive.
ondobot: No sir, I didn't like it.
lilah_2020x: pierre, on that note... I love you too but I couldn't give a damn less if you die and go to hell. I only care 'bout my own ass. :P
pierre_j_savoie: Gremlin I hold up a sign that says ECONOMICON 39:392 but few people know that the quote is, "And they did make the Beast with Two Backs, and the Number of the Beast was Sixty and Nine..."
to_sir_with_love_roxy: so how is evolution different than 1000 years ago?
the_great_spazmo: OK sgt_gator: If you know so much about the scientific method, explain falsification to me
sgt_gator2000: ondoher- the scientific method gives the steps for any scientific research that involves any kind of experiment
dead_man932: tell me more about how evolution in science is NOT defined as "fact" sgt. gator
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: they didn't know what natuiral selection or DNA was 10000 years ago
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:23:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
dead_man932: i think your alligator mouth overran your mosquito brain, gator
gremlin_net: durtyolman2: highlights from sgt_gator2000 include 'evolution is just a theory' and 'gravity is a law'. Figure that out....
ondobot: gremlin_net, yes, and gravity is just a theory too. Perhaps you need to learn what a theory is in science.
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: which one states that theories become laws after being proven?
durtyolman2: <== ha sthe same job as lilah, employed till death
to_sir_with_love_roxy: how is it different in it's ever changing views than 100 or 30 years ago?
ondobot: What rolls down stairs, alone or in pairs, rolls over the neighbor's dog? What's great for a snack, and fits on your back? It's log, log, log. It's log, it's log. It's big, it's heavy, it's wood. It's log, it's log, it's better than bad--it's good.
Alcyonian: Ah, last time I did my literature review was when I went for global comparisons. Since my report this time did not require "comparisons" and only "observations" to be recorded, it was not needed, but I placed it inside the abstract and intro anyway.
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: ever changing?
ondobot: ondoher1, was that a rhetorical question?
lilah_2020x: lol durty, my luck there will be an afterlife where I still have to work. :|
durtyolman2: gremlin, yeah I caught that "law of gravity" line lol
lilah_2020x: and that would suck so bad
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:24:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: if accumulation oif new data is ever changing, then sure. however, many of the mechanisms Darwin proiposed 150 years ago stil stand as central to the mode4rn synthesis
sgt_gator2000: I like this- I see one person saying that I said that gravity is a theory, while another says that I said it is a law, and both are using their contentions to say I'm stupid
durtyolman2: lol lilah , know whta you mean !
gremlin_net: If only ondobot had caught that when sgt_gator2000 had said it; it might have saved us some idiocy >:)
dead_man932: well, gator, find that in the NAS guidelines, if you can, for " the scientific method"
sgt_gator2000: that's pretty bad when the people who are scrambling to insult me can't even get straight what I said
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: did you say that theories become laws?
dead_man932: gator, i don't need to look at other posts to know you're both stupid and a VERY selective bully
to_sir_with_love_roxy: if you want to say that evolutionist have not revised their finding since it was thought up then i am done. Stick a fork in me.
sgt_gator2000: ooh, now I'm a bully
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:25:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
durtyolman2: sgt, who attacked you for saying gravity was atheory, and WHEN did you say that ? lol
sgt_gator2000: ROFLMAO
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: what did you say, exactly? How did I get it wrong?
Alcyonian: I *never* insulted you.
dead_man932: not to me, gator
pierre_j_savoie: Well, I gotta go. Creationists! Remember! Read this! http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html
to_sir_with_love_roxy: 8-|
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: let's go find out, shall we?
dead_man932: you're just a mediocre mind, gator
sgt_gator2000: I wasn't talking to you, alcyonian
Alcyonian: Yet you seem happy to converse with those who you claim are "insulting you" but resigned from our discussion.
Alcyonian: sgt_gator2000: Oh I know.
the_great_spazmo: sgt_gator: as you know so much about scientific method, how does falsification fit into this whole theory vs. law thing you have going? You do know about falsification, don't you?
dead_man932: and not intimidating in the least, in fact, you're just amusing
ondobot: the_great_spazmo, boy, you're just full of questions, aren't you?
sgt_gator2000: sgt_gator: I wasn't talking to you, alcyonian
dead_man932: you're like my little plush-toy
durtyolman2: lol jo, you scare them off too quickkly
gremlin_net: 'sgt_gator2000: lisa- evolution is a THEORY, not a scientific fact'
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: they have refined the theory over time, discovering the relative importance of the different mechanisms, and exploring the historical evolution of extinct species, sure.,
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:26:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
sgt_gator2000: evolution is not gravity, gremlin
gremlin_net: 'sgt_gator2000: LAW of gravity'
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: but there has been no large scale changes since the modern synthesis
rlpc1: lol
dead_man932: what IS evolution defined as, sgt. gatormouth?
Alcyonian: sgt_gator2000: Like I said, you resigned from our discussion, so I am aware of that. But what I was wondering was why, you would wish to discuss with those who you claim "insult" you, when I was not doing that, yet you resigned from OUR conversation.
acosmic_skullduggerer: gremlin, he don't get it
rlpc1: I'm really starting to like you grem
Alcyonian: Durty: I'm gentle.
dead_man932: how is it NOT a fact that allele frequencies CHANGE< gatorboy?
to_sir_with_love_roxy: thank you for finally confessing that ondoher.
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: nope. Evolution is a theory designed to explain the fact that things evolve. While gravity is a theory designed to explain the fact that things gravitate.
Alcyonian: Actually, I should be working on my CIP presentation.
ondobot: to_sir_with_love_roxy, Ondoher is my maker.
lilah_2020x: that humans evolved from apes is a theory. The evolution process itself of certain things is a fact.
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: confessing what?
ondobot: ondoher1, I think you can answer that one yourself.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:27:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
durtyolman2: jo, but obviously very knowledgeable, and that scares them
sgt_gator2000: dead gets clicked because he cannot debate objectively, but has to use personal insults in everything he says
ondoher1: i lilah_2020x: actually, many consider common ancestry a fact
dead_man932: aww, poor gator
dead_man932: gator, you really should head for the teen rooms
dead_man932: you'll be much more comfy there
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000 has not yet answered my very simple question about theories becoming laws
Alcyonian: Durty: I'm fresh on reports. I've done 2 in the last 2 weeks, and a few essay's. I did one this morning and met my deadline and an essay to boot.
gremlin_net: dead_man932: oh, you mean little troll...nastily expecting sgt_gator2000 to concede that he has no idea what he's talking about.... >:)
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:28:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
Alcyonian: So I know the structures of required "reports". Especially in relation to Social Science.
Alcyonian: As does Deadman.
the_great_spazmo: sgt_gator: I'm confused about how theories become laws. Please explain
lilah_2020x: ondo, do you believe man evolved from apes?
ondobot: lilah_2020x, that's a damn good question.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: in 50 years evolutionist will have another evolving thought.
dead_man932: i know, gremlin, what with gator being able to insult and all, imagine my chagrin at expecting him to take what he passes out
dead_man932: silly me
durtyolman2: jo, I'm sure you do. never seen you go on about something you didn't know about
vertical_pig: Sheesh... This conversation is still going on?
durtyolman2: lilah, from a common ancestor
vertical_pig* is out of here
vertical_pig: Farewell
ondobot: vertical_pig, I think you can answer that one yourself.
sgt_gator2000: gremlin, if dead could have debated without calling names, I would have been glad to keep debating with him
ondoher1: i lilah_2020x: not modern apes, however, the last common ancestor between humans and chimpanzees, were it alive today, would have been clasified as an ape. also, technically, we are apes
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:29:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
dead_man932: wahhh..he called me a name
durtyolman2: lol dead
rlpc1: Well, I'm off to bed. You guys have fun playing with gator
dead_man932: fucking pussy felt really comfortable insulting OTHERS
ondoher1: i later rlpc1
Alcyonian: Durty: It's suicidal to try. A little bit of knowledge is more dangerous than lots of it. You stand more of a risk of having your ass handed to you on a platter. I dislike anyone handing me my ass, so I never give them an opportunity. Logic.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: evolution is an on going process 8-}
angelus_mortiferus: Humans are classified as Species Sapiens; Genus Homo; Family Hominidae; Suborder Catarrhini; Order Primates; Subclass Eutheria; Class Mammalia; Subphylum Vertebrata; Phylum Chordata; Kingdom Animalia.
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: it is
durtyolman2: I'm back to 1000 corpses, only seen about 300 so far
to_sir_with_love_roxy: which means achimps are still turning into humans
durtyolman2: :) jo
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:30:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: evolution is a sound theory, why would you expect it to change drastically?
ky_ballbuster: [-x
lilah_2020x: I do not believe humans evolved from apes just because I don't want to be an ape. There is a missing link somewhere and until that is found I don't believe it.
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: chimps have NEVER turned into humans, nor should they
Alcyonian: Durty :)
to_sir_with_love_roxy* agrees with lilah_2020x
the_great_spazmo: sgt_gator: You seem to have a strong grip on the whole scientific terminology thing. I must have been confused about 'theory' and 'law'. What causes one to turn into the other?
ondoher1: i lilah_2020x: we have more than enough fossil homid species to see the evolution
gremlin_net: The oneliner apotheosis of sgt_gator2000's existence: 1) 'sgt_gator2000: that's pretty bad when the people who are scrambling to insult me can't even get straight what I said'; 2) 'sgt_gator2000: lisa- evolution is a THEORY, not a scientific fact'; 3) 'sgt_gator2000: LAW of gravity'. Any questions?
Alcyonian: lilah_2020x: That' is not the claim of evolution.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: apes then
to_sir_with_love_roxy: 8-|
hosein_k3: hi2all
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:31:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
angelus_mortiferus: Lilahn why? What is wrong with apes? Do you have some need to see yourself above and separate from the rest of animate nature? Why?
sgt_gator2000: The problem, lilah, is that by claiming that humans are nothing more than apes, they can soothe their guilt of being humans by claiming they are nothing more than animals
gremlin_net: to_sir_with_love_roxy: you're half right. Chimps are evolving. But they're probably not evolving into homosapiens.
lilah_2020x: ondo, it's not enough for me. From the little (I admit) I see and know.. there is still several missing species.
angelus_mortiferus: Sgt, Why do you assume guilt? Guilt for what?
dead_man932: ah, little gator the junior psychologist
Alcyonian: sgt_gator2000: We are animals. We come from the animalia tree. We are placental mammals.
angelus_mortiferus: Humans are animals......so?...What is to be guilty about?
to_sir_with_love_roxy: evolutionist claim the point of origin for humans is a non human animal.
dead_man932: junior g-man and junior psychologist
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:32:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
sgt_gator2000: In SCIENTIFIC circles (as evidenced in SCIENTIFIC journals), gravity is referred to as a law, while evolution is referred to as a theory
to_sir_with_love_roxy: 8-}
angelus_mortiferus: TOSIR.......so?........
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: the last common ancestor between humans and chimps lived about seven million years ago. the most recent homind species, from which humans evolved, was Homo heidelbergensis. the evolution of humans from H. heidelbergensis was a unique series of events. would you expect parents to always produce the same ofspring
gremlin_net: Although: chimps have been shown to be similar enough to homosapiens to warrant moving them from Pan to Homo in the taxonomy.
sgt_gator2000: alcy, don't you believe you're a higher life form than a monkey?
Alcyonian: I feel sympathy to our "animalia" relations in having to be related to humans.
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: H. heidelbergensis gave rise to H. neanderthalensis and H. sapiens
sgt_gator2000: hosein gets iggied for obvious reasons
angelus_mortiferus: LOL iggie the scroller
ondoher1: i lil: misin gpieces don't matter
Alcyonian: sgt_gator2000: Animal is the class order.
Alcyonian:
the_great_spazmo: OK sgt_gator: but can you produce a more generalised terminology. This one has examples and nothing else. What makes one a 'law' and the other a 'theory;?
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:33:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: one could believe he was a higher form than whatever he liked. Fortunately, facts aren't founded on beliefs.
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: that we are animals and apes does not detract from us bein ghuman
Lisa_the_Insomniac: to_sir_with_love_roxy, in 50 years, we'll probably have added to the THEORY of evolution greatly. Including some very surprising things. That doesn't mean evolution will be any less of a fact in 50 years than it is today.
sgt_gator2000: So, gremlin, are you saying you're nothing more than a monkey?
to_sir_with_love_roxy: i exspect as science has proven that a dog who mates with another dog does not have kittens
ondoher1: i gremlin: or us into Pan >:)
Lisa_the_Insomniac: The fact that our EXPLANATION (theory) changes doesn't mean it's any less a FACT that something happens. Evolution is a fact.
angelus_mortiferus: I don't feel the need to envision myself as superior to monkeys.
Alcyonian: sgt_gator2000: As we refine down to the genu and species, we are able to adequately differentiate. Though some chimpanzee's seem more intelligent than their human cousins.
Alcyonian: 8-|
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: nope. I'm not saying that. Are you saying you're nothing more than the creation of a mythical bogeyman?
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:34:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
ondobot: bogeyman, faster than a speeding bullet.
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: where a dog to give birth to something decidely undoglike, that would tend to disprove evolution, not support it
Alcyonian: I don't equate all 'animals' with "chimps"
sgt_gator2000: If that's the case, then why aren't chimps flying and humans swinging through the trees?
ondobot: sgt_gator2000, that's a damn good question.
Alcyonian: And I don't feel humans are either complex, or unique.
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: why would they?
sgt_gator2000: why aren't chimps building rockets to go to the moon?
gremlin_net: Ondo: that might be neat. Pansapiens. It would be a cool name....
Alcyonian: We are part of a life cycle on this planet with any other creature.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: it doesn't matter what you equate.lol
fastillion: sgt_gator2000, thanks for exposing your true motive. You are ashamed of your true ancestors, and your PRIDE is more important than education. You are too proud to be an ape, therefore you are not. Sound logic there. :))
to_sir_with_love_roxy: :-P
Alcyonian: We're just more insidious about it.
angelus_mortiferus: Humans generally posses a higher intelligence acumen than other apes. That states difference......not innate superiority.
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: because chimps lack our cognitive abilities.
dead_man932: Most biological and earth scientists believe that evolution is more than a theory; it is an established fact; the earth's structures have changed and its life forms have evolved over billions of years. Species of animals have been recently observed as continuing to evolve, both in the lab and field. Most biological and earth scientists believe that evolution is more than a theory; it is an established fact; the earth's structures have changed and its life forms have evolved over billions of years. Species of animals have been recently observed as continuing to evolve, both in the lab and field.
the_great_spazmo: I can see there is a difference between the two sciences, sgt_gator. Thanks for that. But I still don't see the explanation why one is 'law' the other 'theory'. Is it that one is physics and the other biology?
dead_man932: ack
ondobot: dead_man932, try the observed instances of speciation FAQ here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html and for more examples, try here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html
dead_man932: sorry there
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:35:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: you're a bit of an idiot, aren't you....
angelus_mortiferus: (some humans are in fact.........idiots).......see mentally retarded ......mongoloids....etc.
dead_man932: umm..gator wasn't INSULTING, was he?
Alcyonian: Joe, are you in voice chat?
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Chimps are turning into humans? Do the CHIMPS know this? Wow, to_sir_with_love_roxy is a moron. And he claims to have TAUGHT evolution once? No wonder there are so many ignorant creationists (wait, that's redundant).
ondobot: dead_man932, that's a damn good question.
dead_man932: no, hon, but i can be, i think
angelus_mortiferus: LOL Lisa
sgt_gator2000: The truth is, I am created of God, to have dominion over the animals of the earth. The fact that atheists can't deal with that God-given responsibility is none of my concern
Alcyonian: I will be when my updates are finished.
acosmic_skullduggerer* smokes 'im a filterless rollee
Alcyonian: Which is soon I hope.
ondobot: Hello bear12293, step up to the grill. Would you like a hamburger, or maybe a hotdog. Enjoy the party.
Alcyonian: I want to yabber in there with you.
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: i don't believe you
dead_man932: hehe, gator is INSULTING now?
bear12293: hot dog....oh yeah
dead_man932: wow, am i SURPRISED
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: i do, however, accept the conclusions of science
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:36:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
sgt_gator2000: There is no law that says you MUST believe the truth, ondoher
gremlin_net: Given that homosapiens didn't evolve from anything under Pan, I don't see why sgt_gator2000 would expect chimps to do human things, unless sgt_gator2000 happens to be a complete imbecile.
angelus_mortiferus: SGT, so it's a control factor that makes you need to believe in your superiority.......?
dead_man932: ah, gator has the TRUTH
to_sir_with_love_roxy: spazmo take it up with the athorities that set this garbage in stone. Gator did not create the mess he is only relaying it.
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: i tend to accept things that are shown to be likely true. god is not one of those things
angelus_mortiferus: SGT, so you have dominion over other life forms and can treat them like a slaveowner treats slaves?
acosmic_skullduggerer: sgt_gator2000: since when has the biblical deity been confirmed to exist?
angelus_mortiferus: SGT, ever consider you have a mental complex?
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: you believing it does not lend it any credence
ondobot: angelus_mortiferus, that's a damn good question.
angelus_mortiferus: lol Ondobot
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:37:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
sgt_gator2000: Well, if atheists would read the Bible, God commanded us to be RESPONSIBLE STEWARDS of the earth
bear12293: i believe it's a conspiracy to believe in jesus
angelus_mortiferus: Sgt, I'm sure White Southerners and lots of historical slaveowners.........(like Abraham and Moses) would agree.:D
bear12293: mind control.......
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: intesting, but irrelevent, as i dont' believe the bible's claims to divinity
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: I've read the bible. It was a badly-written novel. So what?
acosmic_skullduggerer: sgt, I read the bible, like a good number of us also have
ondoher1: i *interesting
angelus_mortiferus: (not all white southerners......just the KKK and a few others now)
sgt_gator2000: I didn't know Moses (who WAS a slave) owned slaves
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:38:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
gremlin_net: I didn't know Moses, who was a myth, existed.
bear12293: blah blah blah
metaethical_philosopher: ` Alcy?
acosmic_skullduggerer: sgt, unlike your perception of atheism, there are those of us that do not judge a book by it's readers
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: tell me again how theories turn into laws
ian_delacruz323: he he he
angelus_mortiferus: Sgt, hmm..........should I have said Solomon?......David?
to_sir_with_love_roxy: << has dominion over many, many things thank God.
sgt_gator2000: Actually, there is archaeological, documented evidence of Moses' existence, even in Pharoah's tombs
the_great_spazmo: hmmm, gator. Our responsible stewardry is not that responsible. All that 'Onward Christian Soldiers' stuff left a lot of scorched earth
acosmic_skullduggerer: LOL
to_sir_with_love_roxy: go read it yourself
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: great. Present it. Now.
ondoher1* laughs at the archaeological evidence of moses
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:39:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
ondobot: ondoher1, yes, that was funny, wasn't it?
ondoher1* nods to ondobot then kicks ondobot in the nads
ondobot: That's my name, don't wear it out ;)
ondobot* fires artillery rounds at ondoher1
acosmic_skullduggerer: sgt, and Joseph's box was proof of Jesus
acosmic_skullduggerer: ?
sgt_gator2000: roxy, isn't it sad that people who have obviously not done biblical research claim to have done it, when they say things that are the opposite of what the Bible says and try to say the Bible said it?
ondoher1: i acosmic_skullduggerer :))
ondobot: sgt_gator2000, I've often wondered that myself.
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: not evidence; Strike One.
Lisa_the_Insomniac*
lisa_the_insomniac* left chat offline (idle)
lisa_the_insomniac* is in chat
Lisa_the_Insomniac*
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:40:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
to_sir_with_love_roxy: what atheist humanity group goes over to poor countries , feeds and cloths them day after day year after year?
bear12293: bitch
bear12293: cunt
bear12293: fuck
bear12293: whore
angelus_mortiferus: lol the bible..........Shepherd pastoralist values grow into a religion.
ondoher1: i gremlin: isn't it funny how people who claim to understand the scientific method can such such absurd things as theories turn into laws.
bear12293: ass
bear12293: licker
sgt_gator2000: skulldugger- even Jewish documents and ROMAN documents agree that Jesus was crucified under the reign of Pontius Pilate
ondobot: ROman, faster than a speeding bullet.
gremlin_net: to_sir_with_love_roxy: several. Why?
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: not evidence; Strike Two.
the_great_spazmo: to_sir_with_love: Comic Relief, for one.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: name them please
angelus_mortiferus: Stewardship is dominionism, but with a nice face for public relations.
sgt_gator2000: There is no disagreement there
to_sir_with_love_roxy: so i can donate to them .
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: well, the Bil and Mellisa Gates Foundation does a lot of charity work, but i think it is mostly domestic
acosmic_skullduggerer: sgt, no... Roman documents claim that "there was a man claiming to be the leader of the jews"
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:41:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: not evidence; Strike Three. Go pick out a shirt, Heathen: http://wastedinc.com
angelus_mortiferus: Dominionism preaches the supremacist view that humans are the center of the world.
gremlin_net: If sgt_gator2000 would read the bible, he'd see that I Thessalonians 5.21 commands, 'prove all things; hold fast that which is good'. Dumb fucking heathen....
acosmic_skullduggerer: of course, that's not a "disagreement" but I could claim to be the leader of the jews, and not go by the name "Yeshewah"
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: but lets presume there are none. so?
sgt_gator2000: That Jesus was travelling through Judea, and that He was crucified in Jerusalem during the Passover holiday is a well-documented fact. Even athiests who have done the research have agreed with that
ondobot: sgt_gator2000, the word is atheists, not athiests.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:42:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
deadman_932: well-documtned by who, gator?
deadman_932: josephus?
the_great_spazmo: Rememeber all that 'We Are The World'/'Feed The World' stuff? That had no religious basis, yet generated more charitable funds than anything in history
sgt_gator2000: ondobot, the word is CHRISTIAN, not xtian
deadman_932: who?
ondobot: ondobot, ondobot, ondobot. That's all I hear, all day long. Haven't you people got better things to do.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: before humans came along scienctist proved that other life was killing each other off to nonexistance.
ondobot: geeze
angelus_mortiferus: The idea that man is the center of the living world is just as ludicrous as believing that the earth is the center of the universe, that it is flat, and that the sun and other planets revolve around it.:))
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: perhaps you can quote ondobot saying xtian
gremlin_net: If sgt_gator2000 would read the bible, he'd see that Titus 2.7 commands, 'use sound words'. Dumb fucking heathen....
acosmic_skullduggerer: ondoher :))
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:43:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: evidence indicates that the earth is in the midst of another mass extinction. one that started with man's spread from africa
sgt_gator2000: general statement in the room, since "xtian" is used so often. It's like atheists are afraid they'll catch coodies if they use the word CHRISTian
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Now the creationists are resorting to the bible when they've been shown to be utter liars about science and scientific method. Typical.
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: xian is an abbreviation of christian that christians invented
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Next is "we'll pray for you atheists" (of which they include me)
to_sir_with_love_roxy: and?
gremlin_net: We Are the World was, at its most theistic, put together by jews and buddhists.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: you proved my point
deadman_932: gator, considering the intellectual dwarfism you exhibit, i AM afraid that might be catching
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:44:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
metaethical_philosopher: ` deadman is anti matter a substance?
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: however, try to stick to specifics and avoid generalities. saves you lookign silly, like arguing with a bot
sgt_gator2000: And yes, Lisa, I do pray for atheists, that they may see the Light of Jesus and repent before it's too late
deadman_932: antiparticles are
angelus_mortiferus: It's a silly view.........dominionist patriarchy........[-o< The entire universe is an enormous backdrop for the melodrama of the personal salvation/damnation of a single species.....homosapiens.:))
to_sir_with_love_roxy: it was a code word that they were followers of Christ.
kiwi_nomad2004: Hi there
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: praying for an atheist is vanity, Heathen.
deadman_932: if you have a loose definition of "substance"
sgt_gator2000: The Bible commands that Christians are to pray for those who slander them
metaethical_philosopher: ` so that sortive the samething as anit matter, right?
deadman_932: yeah
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:45:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
deadman_932: antiparticles annhilate
sgt_gator2000: Gremlin, poor dear, it's too bad you don't know that "heathen" is the antithesis of "Christian"
kiwi_nomad2004: gator.... are you as poisonous as the spy-ware you are named after?
angelus_mortiferus: LOL Kiwi
to_sir_with_love_roxy: we are all heathens lol
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: I'm well aware that 'heathen' is diametric to 'christian', Heathen.
angelus_mortiferus: Poor fundies.....
deadman_932: gator, why haven't you tried to defend any of your claims?
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000 still thinks that theories turn into laws
sgt_gator2000: oh my- look at kiwi's venom spouting
deadman_932: now you're reduced to redefining terms?
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: and, given the sheer number of commandments I'm watching you break, you're a conclusive heathen.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:46:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
kiwi_nomad2004: kiwis don't spout venom
deadman_932: are you going to defend your claims via semantics only, gator?
sgt_gator2000: What commandment have I broken, gremlin?
kiwi_nomad2004: gator is a troll
sgt_gator2000: kiwi_nomad2004: gator.... are you as poisonous as the spy-ware you are named after?
to_sir_with_love_roxy: gator give up they won't tell you
ondoher1: i kiwi_nomad2004: i suspect he is just ignorant
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: sup
deadman_932: i know gator didn't ignore THIS nickname, so he's again selectively ignoring posts
deadman_932: poor thing just can't hack it
g0d_d4mn_jugg4h03s: i hate this room fool
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: lol
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: so
sgt_gator2000: kiwi, it's too bad all you've done is attack me personally- I'd say that's venom spouting
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: its fun
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:47:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
kiwi_nomad2004: lol deadman
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: see we can break stuff
angelus_mortiferus: Fundamentalist extremists and their followers strive to feel superior, above and distinct from non-human animals and nature. They despise and deny nature whenever they see it; in their bodies, and in their fellow humans. This is infantile, insecure, and delusional.:(|)
deadman_932: i noticed him insulting again before i left, though
acosmic_skullduggerer: g0d_d4mn_jugg4h03s: then leave.... why come in here to tell us?
gremlin_net: If sgt_gator2000 would read the bible, he'd see that Matthew 10.5 commands, 'Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not'. Dumb fucking heathen....
g0d_d4mn_jugg4h03s: lol
kiwi_nomad2004: gator.... I don't really care what trolls think
deadman_932: but i guess in his case it's " do as i say, not as i do"
ondobot: g0d_d4mn_jugg4h03s, there are 10 kinds of people in this world: those that know binary, and those that don't.
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Oh, here's a bible verse I love to use to refute the fundies who say we should believe (their interpretation of) Genesis literally, and ignore all the science that says evolution is a fact.
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Proverbs 14:15 - "The simple believeth every word: the prudent man does research."
deadman_932: typical little limbaughite
g0d_d4mn_jugg4h03s: illsit back and watch
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: yo we gots another illuzional comein in
g0d_d4mn_jugg4h03s: kool
angelus_mortiferus: :P Lisa
ondoher1: i lisa :D
g0d_d4mn_jugg4h03s: brb
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: there she is
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: :))
the_great_spazmo: Nice one lisa!
ondobot: g0d_d4mn_jugg4h03s, no! don't leave me.
sgt_gator2000: Gremlin, what was the CONTEXT in which that was said? You only used part of a sentence
Lisa_the_Insomniac: I've done research. Evolution is a fact. And doesn't conflict with the Christian faith at all. Or faith in general. Creationism is the thing that the "simple" must believe "every word" of without any proof or thought.
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: heya baybay
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:48:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
Alcyonian*
ondobot: "Creationism - as distinguished from a belief in creation - is not an alternative scientific theory. It is not even a proper way of interpreting the Bible and it certainly shouldn't be taught [to children]. Evolution is a very stimulating idea which expands our understanding of God the creator." - the Rev Arthur Peacock, a winner of the Templeton Prize for progress in religion
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000 proved itself a heathen the instant it preached at a nonjew.
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: :-P im bored
Alcyonian*
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: see
deadman_932: jo:x
ondobot: illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n, you should try reading a book.
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: i bore u
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: no
Lisa_the_Insomniac: sgt_gator2000, I pray for you, that you see the Light of Jesus and repent of your sins and lies, before it's too late, also.
ondobot: Alcyonian could make even a bot blush. :">
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: oh. You want context? Okay....
ondobot: Yes, jesus loves me. Yes, jesus loves me. Yes, jesus loves me. But he asked me not to tell mom.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: where did you get that lie from angelus_mortiferus .give me the web page. lol
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: im just playin that g0d damn dude was my bro :))
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: and what book would u like him to read?
Lisa_the_Insomniac: I don't expect you to. But hey, God may work in your hardened heart.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: you just pulling things out of mid air.lol
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: prove to me there is a god
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: then we'll talk
kiwi_nomad2004: Hi alcy
angelus_mortiferus: TOSir........it's from a book called, An Unnatural Order.........by Jim Mason.
Alcyonian: Joe :X
Alcyonian: Ondobot :X
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: there is no god
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:49:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
ondobot: Alcyonian, :x
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: i know
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: FUCK YOUR GOD
angelus_mortiferus: I own the book. I dont' have a web page.
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: lol
angelus_mortiferus: You can look him up though:)
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: all these brain washed fucks in here
deadman_932: maybe someday gator will see the light and try to defend his claims with facts, not insults only. i insult and deliver facts...he just runs like hell
to_sir_with_love_roxy: wowwwwlol as if he knows .
angelus_mortiferus: Tosir, he's logical. stings doesn't it:D
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: forced to believe something that someone wrote when they were bored one day
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: roxy shut up bitch sit the fuck down
to_sir_with_love_roxy: i can write anything i want too.
ondobot: illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice, have you thought about taking a pottery class?
boy_scout_josh: [ Agrees with Joseph :)
ondoher1: i deaqdman: he does evade. i've been asking him to tell me about theories turning into laws for about two hours now
angelus_mortiferus: Or you wouldn't have responded at all.
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: y would i ?
ondobot: illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice, do you really want an answer to that question?
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:50:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
kiwi_nomad2004: gosh ondoher.... two hours of fun I have missed;)
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: ondobot shut the fuck up
deadman_932: ondo, he spent a LONG time harassing that rlpc chatter, though..and using insults
ondobot: illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n, I know you are not trying to talk to a bot. That would just be silly. ;)
angelus_mortiferus: Tosir, you do but you don't support logic.
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: obviously
ondoher1: i deadman: i watched
deadman_932: but i guess he doesn't like getting that back
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: you fuckin retard
ondobot: deadman, faster than a speeding bullet.
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: :))
acosmic_skullduggerer: ondoher1: I'm waiting for him to mention the last time a theory turned into a law
ondoher1: i acosmic_skullduggerer: me too
the_great_spazmo: Oh dear, gonads and strife...
ondoher1: i Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: don't u get it...u all are forced to believe something with no physical evidence
angelus_mortiferus: Fundamentalist extremists and their followers strive to feel superior, above and distinct from non-human animals and nature. They despise and deny nature whenever they see it; in their bodies, and in their fellow humans. This is infantile, insecure, and delusional:(|)
angelus_mortiferus: I'll repost it.
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: yep yep yep
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:51:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: u say the bible was written millions of years ago...with what fuckin paper?
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: wb roxy :)) have fun bitch
kiwi_nomad2004: alcy.... two days back teaching and I am stuffed at 9.30 I-)
ondobot: Yes, wb roxy :)) have fun bitch
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: wtf
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: lol
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: fuck you ondo
kiwi_nomad2004: hey there sno:)
deadman_932: i wonder if he knows how many science organizations and institutions have publicly stated in position papers that " evolution is a fact as defined in biological science"
deesse_snoball: Hey rain!
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: fuckin retard
deesse_snoball: How are ya doin
sgt_gator2000: Gremlin, I have my Bible open to Matt. 10:5. Jesus, at that point, was telling His disciples to preach to Israel only, because He was sent to save Israel first. After Israel rejected Him, He told the disciples after His Resurrection, to go into the world and preach
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man (<--- A man like sgt_gator2000) You lose. Next.
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: you luck your a bot ondo
kiwi_nomad2004: oh I am about to hit the sack
ondobot: This is not the bot you're looking for. I'll be on my way now.
deesse_snoball: me too
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: ill kick your ass bitch
deadman_932: night, kiwi
Alcyonian: Hello, Waitara: I took today off. I was up ungodly hours finishing a report and essay to make a lunch time deadline.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:52:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
deesse_snoball: set up my new laptop today:D
sgt_gator2000: so much for an atheist's knowledge of the Bible
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n: bots are stupid
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: tell me how it got written
angelus_mortiferus: Wow shall we quote silly bible verses now?
kiwi_nomad2004: lol it was 5pm deadlines I remember chasing
deadman_932: heh, little gator, so insulting
angelus_mortiferus: damn I have so many.
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: if they have written it down
to_sir_with_love_roxy: beat me make me bleed . i love verbal abuse.
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: then y were the commandments written on stone?
kiwi_nomad2004: cool sno
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: explain that one
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: here you go, Heathen. 'And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. And when ye come into an house, salute it. And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.' --Matthew 10
ondoher1: i !evidence
ondobot: brrrrr.
Alcyonian: Waitara: I wish. No, a lecturer decided lunch it was.
angelus_mortiferus: Tosir, this doesn't suprise me.
Alcyonian: So it is.
sgt_gator2000: angelus, Gremlin used that Scripture to say that I, as a Christian, am wrong
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: they didn't have a million stones to write the shit on
deesse_snoball: Rain..what a surprise. I go out of town for the weekend and our room disappears:))
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: and
ondoher1: i !evidence i said
sgt_gator2000: I just showed her that she had the wrong context
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:53:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: they fuckin spoke different languages
ondobot: Evidence for evolution. Genetic: endogenous retroviruses shared by humans and chimpanzees. Fossil: Homo ergaster. Inefficient anatomical homoligies: recurrent laryngeal nerve in giraffes. Geology: biostratification. Atavisms: The occasional human tail. Statistical: highly convergent phylogenies drawn from independant cladistic analysis of molecular and morphological data.
bushbaby21663: thers power in the name of jesus
illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n* FUCK GOD
acosmic_skullduggerer: gremlin, holy fuck, that's a big post, how'd you manage to get it all in ONE post?
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: I'm not female. Go hit on someone else.
fastillion: illuzional_elite_tw1zt1d_c4ut10n, can you make a bot? Oh, I see. You are an expert on things you know nothing about. How special. Are all the grapes sour, or just the ones beyond your ability to reach?
kiwi_nomad2004: oh .... I have it on favourites and I went in and was the only one there....
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: baby u got urself auto iggied
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: :))
ondobot: I feel so loved.
Alcyonian: acosmic_skullduggerer: Ych2.
deadman_932: want to bet gator never reads it and insists he's "right"
acosmic_skullduggerer: hmm
angelus_mortiferus: heh Sgt, oh well.....
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: come on fuckers
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: tell me
gremlin_net: acosmic_skullduggerer: I really don't know. Usually, I'm not able to do that. Maybe Jeepers made it possible, since he hates sgt_gator2000 >:)
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: where did ur precios book come from?
to_sir_with_love_roxy: since i am a sub and in a D/s BDSM real life relationship, those were are such a turn on.
deadman_932: he's stuck on using semantic and " interpretational" defenses now
ondobot: illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice, ur 2 dum 4 me ne way
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:54:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
ondobot: illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice, I'd call that insightful, but I'd be lying.
acosmic_skullduggerer: LOL
ondoher1: i i've got the illusion twins on ignore, were they arguing with the bot?
sgt_gator2000: LOL @ roxy
to_sir_with_love_roxy: oohhh baby
sgt_gator2000: You get em, girl
sahar_2122: سلام
bushbaby21663: religion took the power out of the name of jesus
angelus_mortiferus: LOL Ondo me too..
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: wheres ur fuckin proof that there is a god?
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: come on
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: lets see this
Alcyonian: to_sir_with_love_roxy: They should be a turn OFF if you are a sub in a master/sub relationship.
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: thats what i thought
bushbaby21663: but the demons are terrified of his name
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: u have non
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Statements from scientific and scholarly organizations on evolution: http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/8408_statements_from_scientific_and_12_19_2002.asp
Alcyonian: You would only get your cue from your master/mistress.
kiwi_nomad2004: I ahte the way I close this down by accident
gremlin_net* inadvertantly just proved deities to exist, and to hate trolls who impersonate christworshippers, like sgt_gator2000
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: ur book is made up
to_sir_with_love_roxy: is a slave
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: someone was fuckin bored
deadman_932: thank you, lisa:)
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: and did this shit
angelus_mortiferus: Alcy, she is infantile, insecure, and delusional.
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Official statements from various religions on evolution: http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/5025_statements_from_religious_orga_12_19_2002.asp
ondobot: illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice, you should try reading a book.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:55:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
sgt_gator2000: elite, is there anything you can say without using profanity and showing your closed mind?
deesse_snoball: Uhmmm, yeaah...when you want to be taken seriously it's better to NOT address the person you want to debate as a "fucker" :))
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Statements from educational organizations on evolution: http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/4409_statements_from_educational_or_12_19_2002.asp
deesse_snoball: love iggie
bushbaby21663: jesus
sgt_gator2000: amen
ondobot: bushbaby21663, you made the l'il baby Jesus cry :(
bene4yah: uh, the name "Jesus" means nothing....."in the name of Jesus" is not Jesus.....this is what you have to understand to realise what the bible is saying
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: sure...i just choose to use FUCKIN profanity
Lisa_the_Insomniac: The Pope's statement about Evolution ("Truth Cannot Contradict Truth"): http://www.newadvent.org/docs/jp02tc.htm
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: any other ?s captain dipshit?
sgt_gator2000: and i'll just iggy for that
bushbaby21663: rubbish
Lisa_the_Insomniac: The Presbyterian Church (USA) recently declared, "There is no contradiction between an evolutionary theory of human origins and the doctrine of God as Creator."
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: ty
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: i live to be iggied
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: that means
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: i win
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: :
angelus_mortiferus: Lisa, no he's not christian. The Pope is catholic:))
illuzional_elite_fire_n_ice: :D
Alcyonian: to_sir_with_love_roxy: If you dictate who/what pleases you, and it's not from those you have an understanding with, to dominate you, then you're not a slave.
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Some interesting essays by members of the American Society of Human Genetics, supporting evolution: http://www.ashg.org/genetics/ashg/educ/evo-00.shtml
gremlin_net: I'm not sure why I haven't ignored sgt_gator2000 for impersonating a christworshipper yet. I guess I'm just recording what he continues to lie about, for the amusement of posterity....
truthisfalse: Jo :X
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:56:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
Alcyonian: You are a dom using other methods to gain control.
angelus_mortiferus: We must adhere to fundamentalist exclusionary interpretation.
Alcyonian: Jjjoe :X
Lisa_the_Insomniac: American Geological Institute Position on Teaching Evolution: www.agiweb.org/gapac/evolution_statement.html
to_sir_with_love_roxy: Presbyterian ? give me a break
ondobot: Hello, i'm ondobot
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Geological Society of America Position Statements on Evolution/"Deep Time": http://www.geosociety.org/aboutus/position.htm
bushbaby21663: enter into a relationship with jesus
Lisa_the_Insomniac: THE SOCIETY OF SYSTEMATIC BIOLOGISTS: SUPPORT FOR THE TEACHING OF EVOLUTION AND SCOPE OF SYSTEMATIC BIOLOGY http://systbiol.org/info/teachingevolution.html
deesse_snoball: iggie is soooo cooool
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Botanical Society of America's Statement on Evolution: http://www.botany.org/newsite/announcements/evolution.php
Alcyonian: Jjjoe: You're up early.
kiwi_nomad2004: go lisa lol
ondoher1: i bushbaby21663: that's called necrophilia
the_great_spazmo: Delusional_elite_twat. You know, your inane ranting would be better deployed in a room that wasn't mostly full of atheists. But nice try... come back when you're older
Lisa_the_Insomniac: This one's good. I hope they haven't changed the URL again.
kiwi_nomad2004: wb sbo
bushbaby21663: jesus........is lord
Lisa_the_Insomniac: National Association of Biology Teachers, Statement on Evolution: http://www.nabt.org/sub/position_statements/evolution.asp
deesse_snoball: auto reconnect is even cooler:))
kiwi_nomad2004: sno
ondobot: Yes, wb sbo
bene4yah: I was reading a fascinating thing today......Enoch's "soul" or spirit was cast in an old writing as Enoch's "name"........his name rose to heaven, thereby saying that in the "name of someone" meant in their soul or spirit
deesse_snoball: lol rain
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:57:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
bushbaby21663: and his good
Lisa_the_Insomniac: National Science Teachers Association Position Statement "The Teaching of Evolution": http://www.nsta.org/159&psid=10
kiwi_nomad2004: I am tired
deesse_snoball: so sleep
gremlin_net: bushbaby21663: I did. It worked out well, actually. I asked Jesus to undercook me a cheeseburger, and he ran with it. We've become pretty good friends now; we rap about things every time I hit the restaurant.
Alcyonian: Waitara: Go to bed.
acosmic_skullduggerer* just placed sgt_gator2000 with the other 14 idiots in his sinbin for theories never becoming laws. Have a nice stay, come see me again in 27 years
kiwi_nomad2004: I will soon lol
truthisfalse: Jo...you know me...my habits change...sigh...i woke up with a poem inside...after the first whiskey, the feeling went away :P
bene4yah: bush.....I don't think so, unless you mean "master" or "guru"
Alcyonian: You have a what? 6:30am wake up?
ondoher1: i lisa, great opening:
ondoher1: i As stated in The American Biology Teacher by the eminent scientist Theodosius Dobzhansky (1973), "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution." This often-quoted assertion accurately illuminates the central, unifying role of evolution in nature, and therefore in biology. Teaching biology in an effective and scientifically-honest manner requires classroom discussions and laboratory experiences on evolution.
kiwi_nomad2004: yep
bushbaby21663: thats great
sgt_gator2000: roxy, I'll have to let you go- the athiests have resorted to using boot proggies on me, so they have to claim this room as their own personal playroom
deadman_932: sgt. gator...how many science organizations say that evolution is a fact in that group that lisa posted? answer: LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS
ondobot: sgt_gator2000, the word is atheists, not athiests.
alelliott_us: leave the evolution to they who are without hope, It affords them no hope, and is like giving strong drink to a dying man, It keeps them calm until they expire.
kiwi_nomad2004: it's two days back in the classroom have worn me out lol
Lisa_the_Insomniac: So much for the claims of the creationists (including sgt and to_sir) that scientists are increasingly "moving away from evolution".
bushbaby21663: im sure he cares very much about those burgers
deadman_932: awww, gator, that's just crap
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:58:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
truthisfalse: on...tell me something good
kiwi_nomad2004: dream on gator
truthisfalse: dead :-)
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000 just keeps violating Titus 2.7-8, doesn't he. Silly little heathen....
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: play the martyr much?
Alcyonian: Waitara: Ditto *giggles*
deadman_932: hey jjj!!
deadman_932: good morning to you, jjj
kiwi_nomad2004: have your own little persecution complex gator
to_sir_with_love_roxy: tell me lisa what i am
truthisfalse: dead...how you doing?
acosmic_skullduggerer: Jesus is a rapper?
gremlin_net: acosmic_skullduggerer: no. Jesus is a cook at VillageIdiot down the street.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:59:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
truthisfalse: Jo...how's school work?
indubitableness: there should be no debating evolution as a fact
angelus_mortiferus: Oh well.........another display of insecure, infantile delusionism from the resident fundie!:D
to_sir_with_love_roxy: am i a creationist?
deadman_932: i'm pretty damn strange, jjj, and you?
deesse_snoball: gator..that IS crap. it's just the grungy 15 year old on a power trip:))
sgt_gator2000: anarchist sent me a boot proggie. Problem was, it had his thumbprints all over it, it even showed his name when he booted me
truthisfalse: jesus is everything!
indubitableness: it doesn't make sense
truthisfalse: dead...glad to hear it...i'm just weird
indubitableness: evolution is simply the result of genetic variation
Alcyonian: Jjjoe: Good.
bene4yah: so then "YHWH", being the Name of God, could mean God's "spirit"........in the OT, YHWH put his "name" on an angel to signify God's authority......perhaps why the "Name of God", YHWH, is so important in the bible.....though not to Christians
indubitableness: which is a proven phenomena
faramarz5774: salam dostan
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: maybe, just maybe, the kiddie invasion we've recently suffered is the cause of the booting. maybe
deadman_932: "anarchist" sent you a "boot proggie?"
kiwi_nomad2004: actually sno I think my nephew was 14 when he tried that
sgt_gator2000: JHVH, bene
deadman_932: you really are dull, gator
deesse_snoball: rain , hehehe
to_sir_with_love_roxy: male subbies give me hay fever.:-*
indubitableness: evolution occurs because genetic variation is impossible to avoid
Alcyonian: Y.
Alcyonian: Not J
deesse_snoball: I need to set up my font again
Alcyonian: J is barely 300 years old.
kiwi_nomad2004: trouble for him was someone reported him to the ISP who got onto mummy and daddy so he got into big trouble lol
Alcyonian: Y'shua.
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Oh! That's why to_sir_with_love_roxy comes in here posting ignorant twaddle about science. For the abuse! I get it now.
Alcyonian: Yehoshua.
sgt_gator2000: JHVH in Hebrew, and it's pronounced YAHWEH
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: YHVH, Heathen. The YodHehVavHeh.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:00:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
Alcyonian: YHVH
angelus_mortiferus: YodHehVavHeh............
indubitableness: gator
bene4yah: sort of sgt.......though that's not exactly right
to_sir_with_love_roxy: your so smart lisa
Alcyonian: sgt_gator2000: Here's a shock, bene4yah is Jewish.
angelus_mortiferus: G-d........according to the Hebrew.
indubitableness: you have no idea what YHVH even represents
indubitableness: shut up
indubitableness: shut the fuck up
sgt_gator2000: JHVH = YAHWEH = JEHOVAH = GOD
indubitableness: blasphemer
Alcyonian: J is a recent addition to the ALPHABET.
Lisa_the_Insomniac* . o O ( "Arguing with creationists is like wrestling with pigs. You'll both get muddy, but the pig likes it." )
ondobot: This random message has been brought to you by Gritty Kitty, Kitty Litter.
Alcyonian: sgt_gator2000: It's Y
deesse_snoball: Rain, lol..I've done scans and contacted people's ISPs before
bene4yah: Alcy......no, I can't really say that
indubitableness: JHVJ is a symbolic map of creation
angelus_mortiferus: ah the lovely kabbalistic tree of life......
indubitableness: from top to bottom
Alcyonian: www.torah.org
ondoher1: i lisa :))
deesse_snoball: awesome what that can do
Alcyonian: It's Y.
deadman_932: gator, you really don't know much about even your own religion, do you?
deesse_snoball: :D
indubitableness: in the hebrew kabbalistic philophy
Alcyonian: You are INCORRECT on the J.
bene4yah: YHWH = IAOA
sgt_gator2000: I've seen it spelled JHVH in plenty of Jewish publications
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:01:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
ondobot: g0d_d4mn_jugg4h03s, man, you really need to relax.
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000 knows nothing about christianity. He breaks another commandment every few minutes.
angelus_mortiferus: Lilith.......
Alcyonian: I just gave you a jewish publication.
Alcyonian: And IT'S Y
ondoher1: i Modern biologists constantly study, ponder and deliberate the patterns, mechanisms and pace of evolution, but they do not debate evolution's occurrence. The fossil record and the diversity of extant organisms, combined with modern techniques of molecular biology, taxonomy and geology, provide exhaustive examples and powerful evidence for genetic variation, natural selection, speciation, extinction and other well-established components of current evolutionary theory. Scientific deliberations and modifications of these components clearly demonstrate the vitality and scientific integrity of evolution and the theory that explains it.
g0d_d4mn_jugg4h03s: blah blah blah blah blah
Alcyonian: www.torah.org
deadman_932: hehe, yeah, like you claimed that most scientists call evolution a theory, gator
ondobot: ondoher1, lots of evidence for evolution can be found here http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
deesse_snoball: ding
sgt_gator2000: You know what's funny, roxy? All these athiests claiming to be Bible experts
indubitableness: and is represented by a complex mapping of sephirot, which is the symbolic representation of imcomprehensible ideas created in an attempt to open the mind and percieve God first hand
ondobot: sgt_gator2000, the word is atheists, not athiests.
indubitableness: shut up
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: yeah. Probably on the same day that you saw 'scientific journals' claim that evolutionary biology was just a theory and gravity was a law. Right, Heathen?
to_sir_with_love_roxy: there are hundreds of different religions so which one is He deadman?
sgt_gator2000: Isn't that funny?
deadman_932: gator, you got slapped around here twice on the bible so far..by gremlin and now multiple others
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:02:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
indubitableness: YHVH
indubitableness: sorry
indubitableness: i'm drunk
kiwi_nomad2004: a male god? is that to have romantic attachments with in your dreams?
Alcyonian: www.jewfaq.org/alephbet.htm
indubitableness: my drunkenness is g
indubitableness: good
angelus_mortiferus: mmmmm sephirot
indubitableness: yes angelus, you must know
Alcyonian: www.jewishva.org/content_display.html?ArticleID=15810
indubitableness: at least more than gator
the_friend_on_line: sgt gator is christian? or.....
indubitableness: you must know
sgt_gator2000: I like that- athiests know more about the Bible than Christians, even when they say something that is totally the opposite of what the Bible says
Alcyonian: You are VERY wrong on the "J"
indubitableness: MWA HAW HAW HAW
indubitableness: fuck the j
ondobot: sgt_gator2000, the word is atheists, not athiests.
deadman_932: yeah, gator pretends to be christian
indubitableness: fuck the whole argument about the j
indubitableness: fuck it
indubitableness: okay
alelliott_us: Opinion does not make fact, scientific theory is nothing but opinions.
angelus_mortiferus: HaSheim.
g0d_d4mn_jugg4h03s: hey fire and ice?
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:03:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
kiwi_nomad2004: friend I think gator is a troll
bene4yah: YHVH is from Yiddish influence......the "V" is common but only because it stands for "W"
indubitableness: it used to all boil down to I
truthisfalse: indub...have another drink
indubitableness: i
Alcyonian: www.jewishbabynames.net/hebrew_alphabet.htm
indubitableness: so it doesn't matter
to_sir_with_love_roxy: God the ultimate Master and Dom. gotta love Him.O:-)
indubitableness: J and Y are both made from I
indubitableness: so fuck it all
deesse_snoball: gator, I know plenty of Christians who have never read the Bible.
gremlin_net: the_friend_on_line: sgt_gator2000 claims to be a christworshipper; but he's been proved to be a dumb fucking infidel who's attempting to set a record for commandments broken in a single night.
sgt_gator2000: And then they have to resort to profanity, because they lack the manners to speak civilly
the_great_spazmo: not really sgt_gator: many people in here were former believers. Personally, though, never having been inducted into the Christian faith and not having a strong knowledge of the bible, I prefer to say little on the matter.
indubitableness: Iesus as the romans called him
indubitableness: iesus
Alcyonian: www.njop.org/html/interactive_hebrew.html
bene4yah: you got it indubitableness
deadman_932: gator, ah, you can insult but not others, eh?
indubitableness: i remeber SOME latin 1
Alcyonian: I is the GREEK usage.
indubitableness: and i'm drunk
sgt_gator2000: So do I, but I have studied it all my lifie, including in college
angelus_mortiferus: Keter - Crown EHYEH ASHER EHYEH - I AM THAT I AM - I will reveal myself in the outworking of events. Absolute mercy and compassion, fill the world with rejoicing friendship and peace. Use to represent the Yud
to_sir_with_love_roxy: who proved that grimlin?
bene4yah: Iesous is Greek
indubitableness: say fool
indubitableness: in latin 1
angelus_mortiferus: it doesn't sound xian
gremlin_net: Commandments broken by sgt_gator2000 just in the last several minutes: Titus 2.7-8, I Thessalonians 5.21, most of Matthew 10....
Alcyonian: J was a transition from I.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:04:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
deadman_932: there's that famous rush limbaugh christian double standard , gator
indubitableness: it was how we learned the romans spelled it
deadman_932: good work!
to_sir_with_love_roxy: gremlin even
truthisfalse: lol Jo...good luck with that argument...sigh
angelus_mortiferus: Chesed – lovingkindness. This is also known as Ahavah (Love). This quality refers to the unconditional acceptance and love of others. Might, authority, transcendence. Absolute mercy, compassion, forgiveness, miltigates punishment, can save even the unworthy.
Alcyonian: Jjjoe: There is none.
angelus_mortiferus: BINAH - Understanding This refer to redemption, freedom, delieverance, salvation. Acts as a supernal Mother, connects and blesses all the sefirot. Gives freedom and salvation. spoken Elohim YHVH
gremlin_net: to_sir_with_love_roxy: he did, actually.
the_friend_on_line: well, gator whatever faith you profess i wish you best--
deesse_snoball: ¯ there
deesse_snoball: ¯ that's a start at least
truthisfalse: Jo...i agree
to_sir_with_love_roxy: i watched and did not see it.
deadman_932: gator really doesn't have the capacity to argue...he can only avoid
Alcyonian: I just thought it was amusing that every Jewish site cites YHVH as the "mystical name of "Yahweh, and a Christian says they're incorrect in their language.
angelus_mortiferus: and so on and so forth
Alcyonian: The letter "J" is recent.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:05:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
angelus_mortiferus: ALCY, correct.
ondoher1: i 7. Evolution is factual and essential to biological education The word "theory" has different meanings to the scientist and layman. Virtually all scientists accept the evolution of current species from fewer, simpler, ancestral ones as undisputed fact. The "theory" of evolution pertains merely to the mechanisms by which this occurs, and the muchtouted arguments among scientists about evolution are over details of these mechanisms, not about the factuality of evolution itself. To call evolution a theory implies no more doubt about its factuality than referring to atomic theory or the theory of gravitation means we doubt the existence of atoms or gravity. To excise evolution from the biology curriculum would reduce biology courses to a series of disconnected facts and severely inhibit those aspects of the discipline which contribute to creative scholarship.
sgt_gator2000: Well, roxy, I have a lot of work to do today, and it's 5 am. As much as I'd love to spend more time laughing over the silly CHRISTAPHOBIC comments from the anti-Christian, anti-semetic crowd, I do need to turn in
truthisfalse: Jo...of course christians are right...they have more weapons
ondobot: Hello good_looking_guy24, step up to the grill. Would you like a hamburger, or maybe a hotdog. Enjoy the party.
ondoher1: i --AMERICAN SOCIETY OF PARASITOLOGISTS
bene4yah: angelus........I believe EHYEH ASHER EHYEH - I AM THAT I AM actually is not God......this is the angel speaking to Moses......and it's not even his "name"......he's avoiding the question of what his "name" is with this Hebraism
angelus_mortiferus: CHOKMAH - WISDOM the ETERNAL
deadman_932: wahhhhh
angelus_mortiferus: DA AT - KNOWLEDGE - ALL KNOWING ONE
truthisfalse: never argue with a fundamentalist who has a nuclear weapon in their hands
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: provide an etymological basis for the coin 'christophobic'.
deadman_932: hey gator? you're a total intellectual pussy, boy
to_sir_with_love_roxy: nite Gator .=;
deesse_snoball: ¯ gator, does that mean you are the superiour authourity on the Bible, you know, since you studied it even in college?
truthisfalse: "their"? i meant, "his"
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:06:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
angelus_mortiferus: Gevurah – severity or strength. This quality is also known as Yirah (Awesome or Fear) justice and judgment.
deadman_932: go run off now
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: oops. 'christAphobic'; I inadvertantly corrected your laughable spelling; sorry.
sgt_gator2000: It is a hoot, roxy- I'll have to come back sometime
truthisfalse: first spelling, now grammar...these fingers have to go
kiwi_nomad2004: 5am lol silly boy needs to get a life
angelus_mortiferus: Tiferet – beauty compassion. This quality is also known as Rachamim (Merciful). The Passionate, He who speaks, I cause to be, The essence of EL The greatest and holiest name. Embodies all of EL's names in the ToRaH.
angelus_mortiferus: Sgt, you need to learn Hebrew:D
alelliott_us: For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: thanks for stopping in.
deadman_932: you better bring someone who actually can defend their claims, then, gator
sgt_gator2000: Check it out, roxy- I can't even spell a word I coined
angelus_mortiferus: Netzach – victory or triumph. This Adonay Tzevaot (Lord of Hosts)
deadman_932: you sure as hell can't
Alcyonian: Look at their alphabet. Tet, chet, zayin, vav, samech, nun, tav, shin, resh, qof, tzade, fe, pe, ayin, yod, lamed, mem, dalet, gimel, bet.
Alcyonian: Reeks of "j"
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:07:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
gremlin_net: I suppose 'christophobic' would mean 'an intense fear or hatred of false messiahs'....
sgt_gator2000: I invented a word and gremlin says I misspelled it
to_sir_with_love_roxy: lol
good_looking_guy24: christianity is brainwahsing
to_sir_with_love_roxy: go figure
sgt_gator2000: LMAO
the_friend_on_line: Gator? what faith are you? perhaps just uneducated christian?? just asking ok
the_great_spazmo: When have I said anything anti-semitic, or anti-christian, sgt_gator? I respect all people who honestly evaluate their beliefs. I do not respect those who twist things to bolster up their beliefs, usually because they lack the intellectual honesty to face difficult questions
angelus_mortiferus: Hod – glory splendor Majesty.
good_looking_guy24: christianity is all brainwashing
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: the suffix 'aphobia' is invalid; any word including it would be misspelled.
gremlin_net: Heathen.
ondobot: I'm a lumber jack and I'm okay, I sleep all night and I work all day. I cut down trees, I eat my lunch, I go to the lavot'ry. On wednesdays I go shopping and have buttered scones for tea.
sgt_gator2000: CHRISTOPHOBIC means you're even afraid of saying CHRISTIAN, and have to say "xtian"
ondoher1: i "That evolution has occurred is a documented fact, not disputed within the scientific community. "--NEW ORLEANS GEOLOGICAL SOCIETY
angelus_mortiferus: Yesod – foundation or intimacy. EL HAI, EL SHADDAI
deesse_snoball: ¯ gremlin, yep, handy to know word parts;)
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:08:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
to_sir_with_love_roxy: what did Gator twist?
angelus_mortiferus: Malchut – kingdom or majesty.
alelliott_us: For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
metaethical_philosopher: ` alcy what is anit particals. do they make contact with one another and do they cause locomotion with each other?
bene4yah: nobody knows the "names" of angels......Even your familiar names like Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, Metatron, etc, are names given by people, not by the angels themselves......they don't give out their names as they're "secret" or "too wonderful" or something.......this is why "I am that I am" was said to Moses by the angel of the burning bush
sgt_gator2000: It's like they're afraid they'd get cooties to say CHRISTian
kiwi_nomad2004: gator... get a life.... go to bed
to_sir_with_love_roxy: his faith is his own so he can not be wrong
alelliott_us: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
deesse_snoball: ¯ gator you must not be familiar with how the term "Xtian" came to be
gremlin_net: I guess 'christophobia' *could* be inferred to mean 'an intense fear or hatred of kings'. Which would describe, say, an American over an Englishman....
angelus_mortiferus: What to do during the 49 days of Counting the Omer (Sefirat Ha Omer)?
ondoher1: i Evolution is both a scientific fact and a scientific theory. Evolution is a fact in the sense that life has changed through time. In nature today, the characteristics of species are changing, and new species are arising. The fossil record is the primary factual evidence for evolution in times past, and evolution is well documented by further evidence from other scientific disciplines, including comparative anatomy, biogeography, genetics, molecular biology, and studies of viral and bacterial diseases.
ondobot: Englishman, faster than a speeding bullet.
ondoher1: i --THE PALEONTOLOGICAL SOCIETY POSITION STATEMENT: EVOLUTION
kiwi_nomad2004: welll sno... alcy..... I need sleep.....
kiwi_nomad2004: night all
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:09:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
deesse_snoball: ¯ gnight rainy!
sgt_gator2000: I'm familiar, snoball, and I'm familiar with how atheists use it because they're afraid of saying CHRISTian
Lisa_the_Insomniac: There are more atheists in here who are "experts on the bible" than there are fundamentalists who are "experts on evolution". Actually, I can't think of any of the latter. Not one.
deesse_snoball: ¯ Gator, I have no fear of words.
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: that would be a subset of logophobia, you dumb fucking heathen....
angelus_mortiferus: http://www.inner.org/alefbeit/alefbeit.htm HEBREW Alphabet
watergrass_jon: gator - Xian or xtian is merely a shorthand form of christian, surely you know this?
to_sir_with_love_roxy: i have no need to be an expert in either .
ondoher1: i The historical fact of evolution, as common descent with modification for life on earth, and the concepts used to study evolutionary change in living systems, provide the unifying theme for all biological knowledge. This is aptly summarized in Dobzhansky's statement that "nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution."
ondobot: watergrass_jon, I'd call that insightful, but I'd be lying.
Lisa_the_Insomniac: sgt_gator2000 claimed to be one, but thinks weird things like "theories become laws" and "science says evolution is JUST a theory, and gravity is JUST a law".
ondoher1: i --SOCIETY OF SYSTEMATIC BIOLOGISTS (2001)
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:10:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
ondobot: Lisa_the_Insomniac, yes, and gravity is just a theory too. Perhaps you need to learn what a theory is in science.
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Not direct quotes. But a fairly accurate summation of what he said.
deesse_snoball: ¯ Oh my gawd! Court reporters are afraid of whole words!!!
sgt_gator2000: I know that atheists have to use it because they fear saying anything in which CHRIST is a root word
ondobot: deesse_snoball, too much coffee tonight?
deadman_932: gator? . go run off to bed now,and imagine you've struck a blow for your religion and your massive intellectual inferiority
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: name one, Heathen.
sgt_gator2000: They have to say "xmas", instead of CHRISTMAS
the_great_spazmo: sgt_gator: I am not afraid of saying Christian, nor do I use shorthand. But, tell me, do you get as upset by right-wingers calling Muslims 'muzzies'? I would bet not?
deesse_snoball: ¯ Gator no, that would be an opinion of yours rather than something you "know"/
bene4yah: sgt......"Christ" is from the Greek word for "smear"......imo, the word "to smear" is taken from fertility rites of ancient times, and refers to the sement rubbed or smeared over icons of goddesses such as Asherah........
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: i have always typed christian. however, xian is an abbreviation invented by christians
sgt_gator2000: They have to say "xtian" instead of saying CHRISTIAN
deadman_932: ah, now gator is an amateur psychologist, too
metaethical_philosopher: ` deadman, i mean does anti particals act upon one another through locomotion and contact?
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: I'm waiting,Heathen. Now's your chance [again] to 'prove all things; hold fast that which is good'.
angelus_mortiferus: Keter (Crown) - Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh (I will be who I will be) Chokmah (Wisdom) - Yah Binah (Understanding) - YHVH Elohim Chesed (Love) - EL Gevurah (Strength) - Elohim Tiferet (Beauty) - YHVH Adonai Netzach (Victory) - Adonai Tz’vaot (L-rd of Hosts) Hod (Splendour) - Elohim Tz’vaot (G-d of Hosts) Yesod (Foundation) - Shaddai / El Chai (Almighty/G-d of Life) Malkhut (Kingship) - Adonai
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:11:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
bene4yah: sorry....*semen*, not "sement*
ondobot: this HTML stuff is NOT for me
ondoher1: i The fossil record of vertebrates unequivocally supports the hypothesis that vertebrates have evolved through time, from their first records in the early Paleozoic Era about 500 million years ago to the great diversity we see in the world today. The hypothesis has been strengthened by so many independent observations of fossil sequences that it has come to be regarded as a confirmed fact, as certain as the drift of continents through time or the lawful operation of gravity.
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Anyway, I gotta go soon. Gotta get the garbage out to the curb for pickup. You guys continue taking the garbage out in here. :)
ondoher1: i --SOCIETY OF VERTEBRATE PALEONTOLOGY (1994)
angelus_mortiferus: Lisa:)
deadman_932: meta: antiparticles act..well, locomotion is not a good word, but they contact and annhilate
ondoher1: i "Paleontologists may dispute, on the basis of the available evidence, the tempo and mode of evolution in a particular group at a particular time, but they do not argue about whether evolution took place: that is a fact. "
ondobot: ondoher1, lots of evidence for evolution can be found here http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
deadman_932: how they are moved is not germane, really
ondoher1: i --SOCIETY OF VERTEBRATE PALEONTOLOGY (1994)
sgt_gator2000: But you're right, roxy- we do have to come back here, if for no other reason than to harass the "hate all Christians" crowd
the_great_spazmo: Have I ever used the term 'xtian' or 'xian', sgt_gator? Please do not generalise or partronise
deesse_snoball: ¯ Gator i think you fear anyone or anything that differs from YOUR personal beliefs
gremlin_net: bene4yah: 'christ' comes from 'smear'? Neat. I hadn't heard that before.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:12:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Christaphobic comments? I haven't seen any of those. Just comments that totally expose sgt_gator2000 as a liar and hypocrite and false Christian.
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: is that enough scientific organizations calling evolution a fact fo ryou?
deesse_snoball: ¯ Uhm, gator? I don't hate Christians
ondobot: ondoher1, don't you hate people who answer a question with a question?
k_0z_pelonz_hyna: :D
to_sir_with_love_roxy: the gravity theory became law . as soon as it was scientifically possible to prove it.
ondoher1: i ondobot: why do you ask?
ondobot: Huh, who's calling me? I was taking a nap.
gremlin_net: I don't hate christworshippers. I pity and lament them, but I don't hate them.
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: theories NEVER become laws
to_sir_with_love_roxy: why pity?
Lisa_the_Insomniac* laughs at to_sir_with_love_roxy.
deadman_932: uh, roxy, other way around on gravity
sgt_gator2000: snoball, by using all theprofanity and personal attacks I was subjected to before you entered the room, I am positive that it's the atheists who are fearful of anything that does not coincide with their own beliefs
bene4yah: yes gremlin, but the smearing semen bit is an educated guess of mine
alelliott_us: Christos (khris-tos'); from NT:5548; anointed, i.e. the Messiah, an epithet of Jesus:
ondobot: Lisa_the_Insomniac, yes, that was funny, wasn't it?
gremlin_net: to_sir_with_love_roxy: same reason I pity any addicts.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:13:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
Lisa_the_Insomniac: We STILL have a theory of gravity. More than one, actually. they NEVER "became law".
ondoher1: i to_sir_with_love_roxy: a law is a descriptive generalization, a theory is an explanatory framework. they are entirely different things, serving wholey different purposes
deadman_932: gator tried to use that same tactic with me, snoball
deesse_snoball: ¯ Gator, I'm an atheist and I have yet to insult you nor do I fear you or the WORD Christian.
deadman_932: he ignored all my posts and claimed i was just using profanity
ondoher1* laughs at sgt_gator2000
deadman_932: it's an avoidance tactic
Lisa_the_Insomniac: Take care, folks. :)
Lisa_the_Insomniac*
to_sir_with_love_roxy: they are the wealthest and most educated people as a group in the world.
the_great_spazmo: bye lisa
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: we are afraid, and yet it is YOU who has avoided all substantive posts and queries
gremlin_net: How did alidiot get out of my killfile? Oh well: easy enough to resentence it....
ondobot: the_great_spazmo, do you have to leave so soon.
deadman_932: that way he can avoid his claims on evolution NOT being a fact
deadman_932: and what theory and law are in science
watergrass_jon: gator - actually I don't really have any religious beliefs - I am fairly convinced of some things though
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:14:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
gremlin_net: I haven't insulted sgt_gator2000; there's no insult in truth.
sgt_gator2000: What's funny, roxy, is that I studied the Bible at a university in Austin, Texas, the headquarters of Madaline Murray O'Hell, and I've seen interviews with her on the local news regularly. Like these people, she could never do anything but take personal swipes at Christianity and Christians
deadman_932: gator, you ahve refused once again to actually debate
to_sir_with_love_roxy: hey i saw that lol
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000 is a known troll and heathen. If he infers his role as an insult, he can ameliorate whenever he likes.
deesse_snoball: ¯ Gator, perhaps you selectively ignored what I just said:)
deadman_932: instead, you avoid
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:15:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
durtyolman2: back
ondoher1: i deesse_snoball: he does that a lot
bene4yah: if anyone wants to know what (not who, but what) Jesus was, then read chapter two of "Paul the Convert" by Alan F Segal
durtyolman2: o jeese, gator and tosir are still here lol
to_sir_with_love_roxy: her son became christian too after her death.
sgt_gator2000: I see Gremlin has labelled me a troll and a heathen
fastillion: to_sir_with_love_roxy, gravity is not a law. It is a theory. The theory tries to explain exactly how it works, which HAS NOT been done yet, well unless you have the 'unified theory'
wood162001: lol
fastillion: which you don't
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: why do you avoid the posts with substance?
ondobot: ondoher1, I'm not sure, what do you think?
deadman_932: gator, anytime you feel like you have the gonads to actually debate, son, let me know
deesse_snoball: ¯ ondo because they give him nothing to attack and they go against the idea that "all atheists must be bad people"
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: actually, I've identified you as a troll and a heathen. And you'd already noticed that. Develop shortterm memory sometime.
wood162001: I'm getting tired od this crap
sgt_gator2000: Actually, roxy, her son (the one that the Supreme Court case was based on), was an evangelist LONG before she died
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:16:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
watergrass_jon: It seems gator lacks the intestinal fortitude to debate
ondoher1: i deesse_snoball: ah, must be
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: you'll want to write that goal down, Heathen.
angelus_mortiferus: The vowelized vocalization of the four-letter, Ineffable Name of God, the Shem HaMeforash, YHVH, was known only by the High Priest of the Temple in Jerusalem, and uttered by him only once each year, on Yom Kippur, and then, only in the Holy of Holies.
deesse_snoball: ¯ Why address me if you're not prepared to respond?
sgt_gator2000: jon, I've been here for 4 hours- I don't think it's lack of anything other than lack of sleep
fastillion: to_sir_with_love_roxy, please post the formula for gravity=electromagnetic spectrum. I'll wait. About 2,000,000 years
deadman_932: ahem, i reiterate...gator, anytime you feel like you have the gonads to actually debate, son, let me know
adam_morgan99004: hi all
watergrass_jon: Then why ignore the debate?
to_sir_with_love_roxy: good then she died of a heart attack when she found out.
deesse_snoball: ¯ ale, there's nothing here to be won
adam_morgan99004: 20 male washington state anyone wanna chat :)
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: did i provide enough quotes from scientific organizations claiming evolution is a fact to satisfy you?
deesse_snoball: ¯ hi adam
deadman_932: i'll be more than happy to slap you around:)
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:17:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
angelus_mortiferus:
sgt_gator2000: Because I have to go to bed sometime. Unlike atheists, I have to sleep once in awhile
adam_morgan99004: hi sno
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000 isn't here to debate. It's a trolling heathen, producing baseless assertions and evading demands for evidence.
deesse_snoball: ¯ gator, why wouldn't atheists sleep?
acosmic_skullduggerer: so, yeh, I'm gnna go play some gran turismo 3
gremlin_net: Did sgt_gator2000 just suggest that atheists are hardier than christworshippers?
to_sir_with_love_roxy: a very wortless person i heard.
bene4yah: angelus.....I think it was more widely known than that.....according to the people at www.yahweh.org , the name YHWH was known to most Jews around that era, and many still know how it's pronounced, but keep it a secret
ondobot: alelliott_us, this isn't an argument, it's a contradiction
deesse_snoball: ¯ You DO realise there is more than one time zone on this planet?
gremlin_net: deesse_snoball: maybe we atheists aren't exhausted by thinking >:)
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:18:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
to_sir_with_love_roxy: are you not a troll gremlin?
gremlin_net: to_sir_with_love_roxy: nope.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: are we not all trills
sgt_gator2000: snoball, after over 4 hours here, I decided it's past my bedtime at 5:17 am. but jon believes I have to stay up 24/7 for his amusement
to_sir_with_love_roxy: yep
gremlin_net: to_sir_with_love_roxy: nope. I'm not a trill, either.
deadman_932: he might not...he's "eddicated " in ...criminal justice
deesse_snoball: ¯ gremlin LOL finally another person in a chatroom who knows when to use "we" instead of "us" :))
the_great_spazmo: no gremlin, I think is't just Satan keeping us all awake for our secret orgies and blood sacrifices that we all do when no ones looking
ondoher1: i sgt_gator2000: if you come back, try avoiding debate less
the_great_spazmo: it's
acosmic_skullduggerer: to_sir_with_love_roxy: I'm a not a trill
gremlin_net: deesse_snoball: possibly another atheistic trait >:)
fastillion: to_sir_with_love_roxy, you are the troll. That is why you were wrong, got corrected, then DODGED the whole issue knowing you were wrong, but lacking the character to ever admit it.
deadman_932: he's also a rush limbaugh fan apparently
durtyolman2: <== is thrilling
deadman_932: so that explains a great deal of the avoidance
deesse_snoball: ¯ Gator.....lol don't let the chatroom control you sleep habits...if you do you'll never sleep!
deesse_snoball: ¯ Get some rest and come back another time:)
to_sir_with_love_roxy: that is a satanist spazmo
watergrass_jon: gator - then go and sleep
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:19:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
bene4yah: it relates to the Secleucid dynasty and how they almost crushed Judaism in the middle of the second century BC, leading to the Hasmonean revolt.......after that, the Name YHWH became a protected species, and rose to the status of a blasphemy if even said aloud..........
deesse_snoball: ¯ Oh yeah, quit verbally beating up all atheists too;)
to_sir_with_love_roxy: not a atheist
sgt_gator2000: I've only been in this roo for almost 4 and a half hours. I do have a life away from internet chatrooms
gremlin_net: the_great_spazmo: heh. Probably. The devil rewards those who don't violate the biblical commandments with increased stamina >:)
durtyolman2: sgt has trouble breathing and typing at the same time
to_sir_with_love_roxy: yep i'm wrong
deadman_932: and yet you're still here, trying to avoid, gator
sgt_gator2000: roxy- you keep em going
deesse_snoball: ¯ gator....that's good..
deadman_932: how clever of you
fastillion: to_sir_with_love_roxy, that's 'an' atheist, professor Plum
angelus_mortiferus: Bene, ok
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:20:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
sgt_gator2000: I'm gonna inspect my eyelids for holes from the inside
the_great_spazmo: Well, I'm pleased to see we have made some headroads, to_sir_with_love. Some Christians seem to assume one equals the other
deadman_932: try your skull, gator
ondoher1: i deadman: i know he can see my postsm, he has relied to the least substantial of them
deesse_snoball: ¯ I caught professor plum eating a hamburger in the kitchen with a...TOMATO!
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000's life outside chatrooms: http://profiles.yahoo.com/sgt_gator2000
ondoher1: i deadman: but avoided the rest
gremlin_net: Deplorable....
deesse_snoball: ¯ Gator, go to sleep! lol
deadman_932: ondo: i definitely saw his avoidance dance
to_sir_with_love_roxy: shall i post the difference between an atheist and a satanist. cause sataneist believe in God
sgt_gator2000* AND WHEN THAT RAPTURE COMES, AND I'M ON MY WAY UP, I'M GONNA GRAB AN UNSAVED SINNER IN EACH ARM, AND AS WE'RE HEADIN UP THERE, I'M GONNA TURN TO THEM AND SAY, "YOU GONNA REPENT, OR DO I LET GO?"
deadman_932: he's a nimble little xian monkey
gremlin_net: sgt_gator2000: forty-two, divorced, evidently known for kidnapping mermaids....
deadman_932: awww
ondoher1: i he has mastered the gish gallop
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:21:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
deadman_932: a little threat for the end
deadman_932: how cute
watergrass_jon: Rapture! :)) What a very silly concept
deesse_snoball: ¯ roxy your font is so tiny
bene4yah: studying Matthew, you learn that Jesus both knew and rebelliously said aloud the Name YHWH........you see this in Matthew's trial scene where Jesus utters "Power" and immediately get the high priest to rend his garments, in accord with the Mishna Sanhedrin
to_sir_with_love_roxy: <<< has a Master too.:)
ondobot: Yes, jesus loves me. Yes, jesus loves me. Yes, jesus loves me. But he asked me not to tell mom.
gremlin_net: Hobbies include hunting, competition shooting, renaissance and old west reenacting, romance, all aquatics.
deadman_932* pats gator on his pointy little empty skull
alcyonian* left pager (idle)
deadman_932: go to bed, son
durtyolman2: "dominate by nature" lol
fastillion: to_sir_with_love_roxy, wrong again. Satanists are atheists with a complex code of morals based mostly on self importance.
ondoher1: i night all, it is fucking 3:20am
angelus_mortiferus: Bene, uh huh
deesse_snoball: ¯ night ondo
deadman_932: night, ondo:)
gremlin_net: The RenFest and OldWest LARPing fails to shock me.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: no way your sooooooooooooo wrong
durtyolman2: nite ondo
deesse_snoball: ¯ fast, there are multiple types of "satanists"
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:22:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
to_sir_with_love_roxy: satanist arenot atheist
bene4yah: the irony of the whole thing is that the very thing that got Jesus condemned is what the Christians ignore
ondobot: bene4yah, Jesus died for our sins. Dare we make his martyrdom meaningless by not committing any?
ondoher1: i levayan satanists are the most common nowadays
fastillion: to_sir_with_love_roxy, no, you are wrong. Your Satanists, like historical witches you burned, are a myth that never existed. They come from TV and movies.
bene4yah: sure, sounds good to me ondo
deviant_entropy: \ some satanists ARE atheists
gremlin_net: Satanism isn't devilworship. Far from it, actually.
ondoher1: i and satan is just a metaphjore for them
ondoher1: i *metaphor
to_sir_with_love_roxy: i can go get you a few hundred to prove to you your wrong
to_sir_with_love_roxy: they will admit they believe in God.
deviant_entropy: \ only a few hundred
deviant_entropy: \ not all do
angelus_mortiferus: Christians are obsessed with the devil.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:23:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
durtyolman2: christians are obsessed with death
deesse_snoball: ¯ LOL, "immorality" as a definition of atheism?! That's new.
gremlin_net: to_sir_with_love_roxy: your offer is considered and we consent. Go get a few hundred satanists. We'll see you when you get back.
fastillion: Oh, you burned people all right. But were they witches? No. They were schizophrenics, and people like a woman the priest knocked up, so he had to murder her to hide his crime.
acosmic_skullduggerer: deesse_snoball: consult mirriam-webster
angelus_mortiferus: Ale, morality is relative.
deesse_snoball: ¯ ale, you top the list of ridiculous things said in the past 20 minutes.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: well i choose not to fellowship with many if i can help it.
durtyolman2: o jeese how di daleliiot get out of iggy
deesse_snoball: ¯ aco, no thanks.
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:24:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
to_sir_with_love_roxy: but yes thats all that are in this particular group i know.
gremlin_net: to_sir_with_love_roxy: we're waiting for you to fulfil your contract, Fraud.
angelus_mortiferus: Ale, the idea that someone is immoral because they disagree with your particular opinion of what morality is..........is just general ethnocentrism.
bene4yah: I think there are "gods" and a God....but are not what we think......I also think that the truth is surprising, though I have no idea what it is right now
durtyolman2: to_sir, seems you gave dropped teh charade of not being a christian now lol
deesse_snoball: ¯ You see because a lack of belief in a deity is not a synonym of immorality.
acosmic_skullduggerer: alelliott_us: morality is independent of specific emotions, including love
deadman_932: alelliott_us: To be moral requires love, atheists do not believe in love.....<<< heh, now alelliot thinks he's god
the_great_spazmo: If you keep down that route, alelliott, say 'hi' to the Euthryphro Argument.
gremlin_net: alidiot is an ubertroll. Don't expect good things from it.
bene4yah: maybe, like Paul, the heavens are rolled up within themselves, all seven of them
angelus_mortiferus: There are no universal moral codes.
durtyolman2: being "moral" out of fear of a diety, is being immoral
deesse_snoball* yawns
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:25:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
deesse_snoball: ¯ sleepy time soon
durtyolman2: work time soon
gremlin_net: Morality predates deities. It's not dependent upon them.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: thank you for being opened minded bene4yah.
gremlin_net: Ooh. sgt_heathen fled. Finally.
to_sir_with_love_roxy: i like openminded peeps.
deadman_932: ummmm..scratching my butt time soon?
durtyolman2: lol dead
gremlin_net: Now I can go make the little SpEd famous....
markbaker_tas: Athiests are funny
acosmic_skullduggerer: lol
LOG DATA Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:26:20 gremlin_net, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIANS:1
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