If I have to mention this: [sic] on 'pray'. I assume this guy meant 'prey'.
That aside, this is about right. These churches make John Ashcroft look like Abbie Hoffman. Which makes me wonder whether it's really such a good idea to separate church and state anymore. Why fight it? Join the church and state again. When was the last time you went to a state-funded rave? Never? People dislike the state more than they dislike the church--especially the christians. Pair them up. And give the state a couple of years to get greedy. I want to be there when the very morons who want prayer in schools get word of their first budget cut.
Anyway....
The big news, of course, is Panteras' Box.
Yup: someone found a box. We don't know where they found it, but they found it. Good for them. And the box was apparently used to store the bones of James, son of Joeseph and brother of Joshua. Or, in the Aramaic, of Y'shua. Mistranslated by idiots over the centuries as Jesus.
The christians, being imbeciles, are already calling this box incontrovertible proof that the bible is true.
Let's talk about that for a moment....
Whether Y'shua bin Yehoshua nee Panteras ever existed or not is largely immaterial to the question of the existence of deities. Even so, there's sketchy evidence--outside this box--that such a guy may have existed in the first century. If so, he was one of over a hundred guys in the first century claiming to be the messiah. He was also--even by biblical accounts--disqualified from being the messiah, in that he wasn't davidic, in that he appeared before Tyre was destroyed never to be rebuilt [Tyre stands today], and in that he happened to die. Real or not, Y'shua was never a messiah. That much has already been put to rest.
Of course, another issue is that, if this guy lived at all, the story written about him looks a little exaggerated. To read the bible, you'd think that people, like, knew this guy. Historically speaking...no one did. Pilate never killed anyone named Y'shua. No one alive in or before AD32 ever mentioned his existence at all. So how great could he really have been?
But along comes the box. Proof positive that Jesus lived and so the bible is true and nothing is false and we can take it as read that Adam really named all the animals before being kicked out of Eden...somehow surviving his encounter with various viruii and bacteria which he held long enough to give names like HIV and Ebola.
We have this box. And Jesus is clearly mentioned on it. And the combination of Jesus, James, and Joeseph in the region at the time only allows for twenty different people named James to be the sons of twenty different people named Joeseph with twenty different brothers named Jesus. It's therefore the oldest evidence that Jesus lived.
Which is the part which gets to me.
That the box showed up out of nowhere--looted and sold on the black market--should be enough to make it look about as valid as Archaeoraptor liaoningensis. But we'll move beyond that little problem for a moment.
Why was Jesus mentioned on this box?
We're essentially talking about a headstone. The only ways for a brother to be mentioned on one of these things would be for the brother to A) be the one paying for the funeral [where one thing we can kinda count on is that Y'shua had been dead for thirty years by the time James died in AD62] or B) have been famous.
Famous.
Like, evidenced by something earlier than this 'oldest evidence that he existed'.
Something is very wrong here.
Had Y'shua been famous, then the discovery of this box wouldn't really matter much, because we'd already know that he'd existed. But we don't already know that. So we have this box to show us that he existed. But the box can only exist if we already knew that Y'shua existed because he was a celebrity. Which he evidently wasn't. Which makes the box a bit of a problem because no one so anonymous would be listed this way.
In other words: it's a hoax.
Which is meaningless. We've known that the shroud of Turin was a hoax for nearly five hundred years. Still these morons cite it as absolute proof of everything they can't even articulate into a valid hypothesis. So it's natural to expect these imbeciles to cling to this box at least until we're yet again able to disprove one of their baseless assertions with reality. Then they'll still mention it a lot, but only as filler before attempting to use new wording in Pascal's Wager.
It's over. The entire thing is collapsing, and they're too stoopid to see it landing at their feet.
Not that it's really their fault. One thing we do know for a fact is that theists--christians, islamics, and whatever else--wiccans in particular--suffer from temporal lobe epilepsy. A soft schizophrenia. A brain disease. Berkeley figured that one out for us. On average, theists are less intelligent than athiests [just in case you needed that in writing, for some reason], and theism is a mental illness.
Which causes which is still in question. Does theism lead to schizophrenia, or does schizophrenia lead to theism? We don't know yet. And, personally: I don't really care. All I have to say on the matter is this: fuck affirmative action; get these retarded psychopaths out of my town.
Loosely on the subject, I ran into one of those wiccan LARPer geeks in chat.yahoo.com tonight. It occurred to me to ask her [I'm guessing; it's always easier to think of wiccans as females; they're just so...yeah: not male] a couple of questions. First, I confirmed that wiccans fear that any action they perform upon another will be ultimately inflicted threefold upon themselves. Second and more importantly, I asked whom she'd beat half senseless >:)
The other bit involved christianity again. Some nut going on about the importance of deciding now what sort of afterlife you'd like. Pascal again. My response led to the room urging me to put it on shirts. So, for the hell of it, I did.
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Why not. Giftmas is coming, after all....
More later....
--Gremlin
 
 
 

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