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Posted by Damien [24.159.250.195 - 24-159-250-195.jvl.wi.charter.com] on 05 June 2003 at 16.39.08 ZuluTime:
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scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003: sure there...I'll wager you that I can substantiate from recognised authorities on logical fallacies that the form of the argument from ignorance I posted in was correct, contrary to your claim otherwise
scotsmanmatt : thechad90000: To call a theist a false Christian is a typical tactic of some atheists...they think by attacking the person they are addressing an issue...
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:26:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Scots, actually it's a tactic far more used by christians than by atheists.
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll a false christian would be someone preaching christianity without practising it.
scotsmanmatt : damien_the_blasphemous: I'm sure you think so...
damien_the_blasphemous : And it's used to try and cover up the fact that your religion isn't as holy and pure as you'd like it to be.
damien_the_blasphemous : Scots, do you want me to back up my statement?
scotsmanmatt : gremlin_net: no..a false Christian would be one who didn't a) meet a minimalist definition of the word and b) didn't practice it.
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:27:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : damien_the_blasphemous: sure...I'll point you to the discussion over the last 15mins as evidence of my claim
damien_the_blasphemous : I've seen literally dozens of christians who accuse other christians of being 'false' christians.
damien_the_blasphemous : While the ONLY atheists I've seen do this, are in this room, and do it in mockery of your own practice of labelling others 'false' christians.
scotsmanmatt : damien_the_blasphemous: is that your 'proof'...anecdotal evidence lol?
damien_the_blasphemous : Scots, okay, I'll dig some stuff up.
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:28:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: keep posting bullshit; there might be those whom you haven't talked out of being christian yet.
scotsmanmatt : damien_the_blasphemous: sure....be sure and balance that 'stuff' with the normal goings on in here by atheists
damien_the_blasphemous : Meanwhile, scots, you can provide evidence to back up your claim that 'many atheists call christians 'false' christians'.
damien_the_blasphemous : Scots, I'll be waiting for your evidence.
scotsmanmatt : damien_the_blasphemous: already provided
damien_the_blasphemous : Scots, where? When?
scotsmanmatt : damien_the_blasphemous: scroll back...and next time pay attention
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:29:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : http://www.bettybowers.com/oprah.html
gremlin_net : damien_the_blasphemous: that's not the question. The issus is whether atheists call *true* christians false. And the answer is 'evidently not'.
damien_the_blasphemous : Scots, oh, a couple quotes in chat? That's your evidence?!
gremlin_net : issue*
damien_the_blasphemous : That's ALL you have?
damien_the_blasphemous : That's laughable scot.
damien_the_blasphemous : http://www.bettybowers.com/oprah.html Heres some evidence.
scotsmanmatt : damien_the_blasphemous: eh..no..it is a general trend in this forum
diogenes_of_synope_2003 : land: :)) because, unlike you, we can accept the fact that there is nothing after death
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:30:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003: it isn't a fact...
damien_the_blasphemous : http://www.dyane-lynn.com/texas.html Here's another scot, you paying attention?
diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scot: please provide evidence -- someone that has come back from the dead a few years later would be good
damien_the_blasphemous : http://www.bibleword.com/tvfc.htm Here's another one Scots.
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:31:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : http://www.asapnet.net/remnant/page10isfalsebrethren.htm Here's another one scots.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003: now..now...we'll have none of that trying to change the burden of proof...you claimed it was a fact..the burden of proof is upon you to substantiate it with evidence...
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, have you noticed that I've backed up my statement?
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, nice to see you try and run away and talk to someone else.
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:32:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003's argument from ignorance: Life after death hasn't been proven true therefore life after death is false
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, afraid to admit you're wrong?
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, why are you afraid to talk to me?
diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scot: fact - people die. fact: people decompose fact: no one in the last 2000 years has come back from the dead proclaiming 'there is an afterlife'
gremlin_net : Christians tend to regard the majority of other christians as false until they want to get all the way up to 28% of the human race being christians. In normal practice, the baptists claim that 6,580,000,000 people are going to hell.
scotsmanmatt : damien_the_blasphemous: No...I was just moving into an actual area of debate...
gremlin_net : practise*
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003: and that proves that there is no life after death?
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, dipshit, I've BACK UP MY STATEMENT, afraid to admit it?
diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scots: you are the one claiming the positive existential -- the burden is yours!
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:33:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, you challenged me to back up my statement, and I did, so why are you so eager to run away?
gremlin_net : damien_the_blasphemous: scotsmantroll doesn't concede things. He just says 'nuh-uh' and evades to a new topic. I've never seen him do otherwise in three years.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003: nice try but no cigar...it doesn't logically follow that because X can't be proven to be true that X is false....you lose
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, why haven't you backed up your statement yet except by saying 'scroll up'?
scotsmanmatt : <-- whips diogenes_of_synope_2003 ass again...
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, why are you AFRAID TO CONCEDE THAT YOU'RE WRONG.
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, why are you so scared to talk to me?
diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scot: :)) no, you're the one evading the topic! you claim the positive exisential - the burden is yours
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:34:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : damien_the_blasphemous: on the bright side, even the dumbest of christians are catching on. No one takes scotsmantroll seriously.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003: post in where I made that claim?
damien_the_blasphemous : Grem, yeah, but my repetition helps.
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, why are you afraid to back up your claims?
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, I backed up my claim, you have yet to back up yours, why is that?
gremlin_net : damien_the_blasphemous: it doesn't hurt. In cases, it inspires scotsmantroll to assert the most obvious of lies in front of newcomers. It's efficient.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003: No..it's not..I simply asked you to prove your claim..I made no claim of my own...
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:35:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Grem, I'm just glad I'm logging this.
damien_the_blasphemous : It might make an interesting read on gremlin.net.
diogenes_of_synope_2003 : my evidence stands -- and as for your wimpy reply, you forgot a part out of it!
scotsmanmatt : lol@gremlin.net...the atheist version of Jack Chick tracts
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, hear that? You're inability to back up your false assertion will be posted for all to see at gremlin.net.
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:36:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : LMAO, NOW he pays attention.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003: A logical fallacy [argument from ignorance] never stands...they get dismissed out of hand.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Damien, don't be so surprised.
damien_the_blasphemous : It just proves that he's seen everything I've posted and is only trying to ignore it.
gremlin_net : damien_the_blasphemous: yeah. If you want real fun, copypaste the logue into Excel sometime and alphabetise it by username. It really shows how full of shit some peope are when you see 'I LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:37:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
cheetos_2010 : Diversity is evil???
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, you don't hesitate to answer a post about gremlin.net, yet you cannot back up any of your claims.
damien_the_blasphemous : Grem, that would be fun.
gremlin_net : damien_the_blasphemous: it is.
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, what an excellent 'defender of the christian faith' you are, when someone brings evidence to back up their claims, you run away.
gremlin_net : damien_the_blasphemous: what's really amazing is the sheer number of fucking *pages* people can fill up in Excel with 'UsernameX : LOL'
damien_the_blasphemous : I think that's the funniest part of all, scotsmantroll.
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:38:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : damien_the_blasphemous: and you can guess what YADT looks like in there.
damien_the_blasphemous : Why aren't you DEFENDING it, scotsmantroll? Because you can't bring forth any evidence to back up your claims?
damien_the_blasphemous : Grem, I don't know, one million smilies and 'lol's'?
broknarw : because some that hate christain do not realize the logic of the believ
broknarw : belief
scotsmanmatt : bobwar69: well, I have it bookmarked and will continue to peruse it at my leisure
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:39:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : damien_the_blasphemous: scotsmanfraud defends the christian faith my moving it to safer locations--away from the evidence against it.
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, why are you afraid to defend your christian faith against me?
damien_the_blasphemous : Grem, yup, and I have hard proof of it logged.
scotsmanmatt : damien_the_blasphemous: I'm not...let's see your arguments and I'll show you my defence...
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:40:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : damien_the_blasphemous: the funny thing about YADT is that all his duplicate posts are actually different. In one, he'll have fourteen dots in an elipsis; in another, the same content has twenty dots. He's not actually copypasting.
damien_the_blasphemous : Scots, I'll use your tactic, I already put them up, scroll up.
damien_the_blasphemous : LMAO Scotsmantroll, fundy tactic #13, ignore opponant for a while, then pretend he didn't make any points and ask for evidence.
scotsmanmatt : damien_the_blasphemous: Well, I've seen everything you've posted..contained no logically sound argument so I'll just dismiss your claim as being the result of too much time spent at www.gremlin.net
gremlin_net : Hard evidence that scotsmantroll is a fraud! Just scroll up.
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:41:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Too bad I already have thins logged, scotmantroll, so it will be rather funny to see how well that statement stands in light of the evidence.
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmantroll, want me to post it again? I can do that you know.
gremlin_net : I should put scotsmantroll on the marketing payroll. He says something retarded and fraudulent, and then advertises gremlin.net as something he's opposed to. Reverse psychology, or something.
scotsmanmatt : damien_the_blasphemous: yes....you'll need to tell me about it since I wouldn't waste the time or energy on visiting such a rookie site
damien_the_blasphemous : http://www.bettybowers.com/oprah.html Heres some evidence.
damien_the_blasphemous : http://www.dyane-lynn.com/texas.html Here's another scot, you paying attention?
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:42:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : http://www.bibleword.com/tvfc.htm Here's another one Scots.
damien_the_blasphemous : http://www.asapnet.net/remnant/page10isfalsebrethren.htm Here's another one scots.
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, so why were you so intent on trying to ignore me when I was posting those sites the first time?
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:43:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : And why do you have yet to post ANY evidence to back up your claim, scotsmanfraud?
scotsmanmatt : damien_the_blasphemous: eh..because diogenes_of_synope_2003 was actually discussing something of substance and when that happens I ignore the atheist fundies and concentrate on the more rational ones
damien_the_blasphemous : http://www.refuge-outreach.org/christianity/False/false-christians.htm Here's another one scotsmanfraud.
gremlin_net : damien_the_blasphemous: because he's a known troll.
diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scot: there is no substance to death ( excuse the pun)
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, I was discussing the topic YOU BROUGHT UP you troll.
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:44:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003: eh..the issue was one of substance...
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll's definition of 'atheist fundy': 'fucker wot proved me full of shit'
damien_the_blasphemous : You are a sad, pathetic troll scotsmanfraud, and it's been proven for everyone to see.
scotsmanmatt : damien_the_blasphemous: yes..but I only respond to fundie atheists when nothing else it happens and for entertainment value
diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scot: not at all! you just kept up your typical illogic
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, why is the topic YOU BROUGHT UP in your words not something of 'substance'?
gremlin_net : damien_the_blasphemous: translation--scotsmantroll only responds to those he hopes he can defraud.
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:45:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
zedechiah_the_messiah : Matt, then you shouldnt have asked him to back up his claim. Further, you shouldnt have suggested that it was "anecdotal", especially when you were using anecodal evidence from this room (this forum)/. Also you probably shouldnt have said "ignorant atheists", doing the exact same thing you accuse others of doing
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, you have yet to back up ANY of your claims, why is this?
damien_the_blasphemous : Surely a 'rational defender of the christian faith' would be able to do this, right?
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003: the transcript will show to any objective reader that you made an assertion which was founded upon the logical fallacy of an argument from ignorance. That argument has the form...P hasn't been proved true therefore P is false ..your argument was of that form. Life after death hasn't been proven true therefore life after death is false.
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:46:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : While you're at it, scotsmanfraud, why don't you back up your claim that gremlin.net is the equivelent of Jack Chick tracts?
scotsmanmatt : zedechiah_the_messiah: all true...but like I said...with fundie atheists I'm simply having fun
gremlin_net : damien_the_blasphemous: scotsmantroll is as much a rational defender as he is a wooden jellyfish.
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, can we take your unwillingness to back up any of your statements as an admission that you CANNOT back them up?
zedechiah_the_messiah : Matt, no, he didnt. To say that people havent tried to figure out what happens after death only to find nothing is, in fact, the argument from ignorance. People have. no results found. "lack of evidence where evidence is expected".
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:47:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Grem, well, both wood and jellyfish float.
gremlin_net : damien_the_blasphemous: so does bullshit, I'm told.
diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scots: :)) first off, that isn't the argument from ignorance. Second, your form is clearly wrong. Third, my argument was INDUCTIVE and you're applying DEDUCTIVE fallacies to it! :)) haven't you learned logic yet?
zedechiah_the_messiah : the logical, reasonable conclusion is "nothing occurs after death". And there is certainly nothing to the contrary
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmantroll, where's the 'rational defender of the christian faith'?
damien_the_blasphemous : Why can't you back up any of your statements?
scotsmanmatt : zedechiah_the_messiah: What evidence would be expected to be found for life in another realm [and that is assuming that all the claims of proof of otherworlds is false for the sake of argument#
damien_the_blasphemous : Why are you afraid to address any of the sources I brought up to back up mine?
zedechiah_the_messiah : Matt, sounbds like youre trolling. You made a demand of someone, they obliged so you return with an ad hominem
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:48:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003: How about a wager?
damien_the_blasphemous : Zed, worse, he made a demand from me, I obliged, brought up evidence, and what does he do, he tries to latch onto another conversation.
gremlin_net : This should be good. Let's watch scotsmantroll welch.
zedechiah_the_messiah : Matt, contact with this bodyless "mind" or "soul" or "spirit". Pretty simple. it has never happened
scotsmanmatt : zedechiah_the_messiah: and your proof of that claim?
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:49:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : I've got six links that have proven scotsmanfraud wrong, has he even acknowledged any of them? No.
zedechiah_the_messiah : Matt, one cannot provide evidence of a lack of evidence.
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: begging th question. No need to disprove the unproved.
zedechiah_the_messiah : theres no evidence. period.
gremlin_net : the*
zedechiah_the_messiah : so, with nothing to suggest it, why suggest it?
gremlin_net : Zed: to troll for negative attention?
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:50:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, wow, you've lost in the debate you've retreated to, what an amazing 'rational defender of the christian faith'!
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003: why don't you take up my wager..no balls?
diogenes_of_synope_2003 : scot: why don't you answer the other questions first?
gremlin_net : scotsmantroll: what's your wager? Did you ever bother to tell anyone what it was?
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003: Cause they're contained within the wager...now have you got the balls to take it up or not?
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:51:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud: Why don't you back up your claims? No balls?
gremlin_net : diogenes_of_synope_2003: it's an invisible wager. I still haven't seen one.
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud: Why don't you address my evidence? No balls?
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud: Why don't you admit you're wrong? No balls?
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Damien, you're arguing with a troll. *blinks and reposts the Do Not Feed The Troll Sign*
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud: Why are you running away from me? No balls?
diogenes_of_synope_2003 : grem: scot's attempting to use a deductive fallacy on my inductive argument -- and he's just trying to twist it into his advantage
damien_the_blasphemous : Kitty, in this case, it actually serves a usefull purpose.
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:52:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
gremlin_net : As much as scotsmantroll evades issues, I'd need to see a very fucking exact wager out of him to take it seriously.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Does it?
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003: the wager..balls or no balls...
gremlin_net : diogenes_of_synope_2003: great. Have him define it to hell and back, agree to the wager, and take his money.
diogenes_of_synope_2003 : nothing to wager, scot -- you're just trying to create a strawman
damien_the_blasphemous : By blatently showing how cowardly and deceitful he is, I successfully ward off any lurkers from believing any of his claims.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Well, that's true, damien.
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, afraid to back up any of your claims?
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:53:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_of_synope_2003: sure there...I'll wager you that I can substantiate from recognised authorities on logical fallacies that the form of the argument from ignorance I posted in was correct, contrary to your claim otherwise
damien_the_blasphemous : Apparently scotsmanfraud has iggied me out of fright.
LOG DATA Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:54:44 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Oh well, his nonsense will make a fun read on gremlin.net.