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Posted by Damien [24.159.250.195 - 24-159-250-195.jvl.wi.charter.com] on 07 June 2003 at 05.34.10 ZuluTime:
In Reply to: iotm: Scotsmanfraud gets humiliated by three seperate people. posted by Damien on 05 June 2003 at 16.39.08 ZuluTime:
damien_the_blasphemous : I don't really give a shit about your threats or your apologies, without EVIDENCE they don't have much of an effect on me.
somersetcase1 : threatening? No, you are just talking nonesence. Here, explain this. What is the second death?
diogenes_is_pissed : howe: most people in the room know the bible better than you!
howejr87 : All im saying is that jesus wasnt the fuzzy little bunny everyone thinks he was
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:09:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Howe, EVIDENCE?! any?
damien_the_blasphemous : We're still waiting.
howejr87 : sorry for offending anyone, ill leave now
indondasani : howe; actually, all you're saying is "Believe or else!"
howejr87 : god bless you all
deahca2 : YOu're a BULLY, Howe, and your are JUST stroking YOUR OWN EGO. SHAME ON YOU
damien_the_blasphemous : Howe, get your sorry false-christian ass out of here.
somersetcase1 : howe, no, he wasn't. If the accounts are true, then he was far from that. "I do not come to bring peace but a sword." etc..His tantrum in the temple, the speech against the pharisis. The klilling of the fig tree. Yes, we know all about it.
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : I think it's more than his ego he's stroking.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:10:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : You are not even worthy of speaking your psuedo-messiah's name.
gypsymoon_32 : how is leaving becaue your all making too much sense and the brainwashing is telling him to go
gypsymoon_32 : lol
damien_the_blasphemous : You embarrass the very figure you claim to praise.
somersetcase1 : you're not offending anyone. Stop that! You are not being offensive, you just aren't saying anything of substance
damien_the_blasphemous : sighs.
somersetcase1 : damn these people are whacked
deahca2 : Hi Scotsman.
gypsymoon_32 : hello scots
deahca2 : How's the weather today?
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:11:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
diogenes_is_pissed : hi matt: ready for your first lesson in 'learning how to spot an argument'?
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:12:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: athough you had the form correct, you attempted to place a deductive fallacy on an inductive argument
damien_the_blasphemous : So has scotsmanfraud claimed to be a 'rational defender of the christian faith' yet?
enki_in_the_abzu : by the by scots.....i found a bunch of examples for you concerning yahweh admiting others gods existed from the discussion yesterday....
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : LOL damien
gypsymoon_32 : their is nothing rational about the bible lol
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : He just did.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:13:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud shown to be a liar, coward, and general dipshit, http://gremlin.net/cgi-data/2003-02/76.html
diogenes_is_pissed : scot: :)) what garbage!
scotsmanmatt : diogenes: want to bet on it?
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : Ahhhh, smell the testosterone.
scotsmanmatt : enki: No such verses exist
deahca2 : LOL, zsa
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, any luck finding any evidence yet?
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:14:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
diogenes_is_pissed : scot: because I didn't represent my argument in formal inductive language doesn't make it any less an inductive argument
deahca2 : True dio. excellent point
diogenes_is_pissed : that's why YOU need to learn how to take informal conversation and construct the argument for yourself!
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:15:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Hey scotsmanfraud, have you found any evidence to back up your assertion that gremlin.net is the 'atheist equivalent of Jack Chick tracts' yet?
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: I'm not disputing it was an inductive argument only that it being so it was a false inductive argument for such do not deal with what you were doing, i.e. asserting a truth
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: if I say ' Capital punishment is wrong' -- is that a conclusion of an argument or my value judgment?
damien_the_blasphemous : Surely a 'rational defender' would be able to find evidence to back up his assertions.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: it's a proposition
somersetcase1 : That is often a problem here. You can't have a "formal" debate here. We just don't have the means to do it. It has to be imformal.
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: is it? how do you know?
damien_the_blasphemous : Ha, the coward won't even talk to me!
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:16:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : somersetcase1: problem is that fallacies are also informal
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: eh..by knowing what the proposition means.
damien_the_blasphemous : It just goes to show that he can't find any evidence to back up his claims, the pathetic troll.
somersetcase1 : scots..fallacies are fallacies, and should be pointed out as long as tey are rue fallacies.
scotsmanmatt : somersetcase1: which is what I did yesterday
scotsmanmatt : :)
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:17:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
bbbbink : gee, damien, I guess we have evidence that you are uncivil, eh?
deahca2 : The Scotsman, small criticism here. The couching of the debate in flowery vernacular does NOT automatically make the debate yours
damien_the_blasphemous : bbbbink, exposing a troll is uncivil? I never realized that.
damien_the_blasphemous : Then I'll gladly be uncivil.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:18:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
deahca2 : and yes, I did use those "big" words to make my point to you, Scotman
scotsmanmatt : deahca: what was your small point?
bbbbink : deriding someone unnecessarily is uncivil
damien_the_blasphemous : Want to see why scotsmanfraud is afraid to talk to me? http://gremlin.net/cgi-data/2003-02/76.html
deahca2 : nice, scotmans. Do you always reject constructive criticism? Then, I waste my time with you.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:19:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
diogenes_is_pissed : somerset: matt's just ticked off because I didn't make my argument look like this : given the neurological studies in death, the multitudes of animals and humans that die and decay, no evidence of anything within a human body leaving at death, the absence of any dead person reviving and proclaiming that an afterlife exists -- along with the fact that the term 'afterlife' implies a life after death is incoherent, and that the probability of such a non-corporeal existance is very unlikely, i'm justified in stating that an afterlife doesn't exist.
scotsmanmatt : deahca: No..I listen to the criticism..decide whether it is accurate or inaccurate and respond accordingly
somersetcase1 : part of the problem with atheism vs christianty, is that neither atheism, nor christianity are set in stone, as much as some would like to think so I can have one christian claim one thing one day, and have another claim the opposite the next. For example:
damien_the_blasphemous : A transcript where he gets his ass whupped by several people in this room, located in, as he calls it, 'the atheist equivalent of Jack Chick tracts'.
bbbbink : deah.........you're an object of interest..........you're here a lot.....what drives you?
somersetcase1 : Someone argued that for an atheist to respond to the claim "Everything needs a cause," with "Then who created God," was a fallacy, because the real claim is "everything that has a beginning has a cause." Well, that's not the atheists fault. If someone claims "everything needs a cause," then THAT's the claim we respond to. Not one some other christian might claim. heh it's rediculous.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:20:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : diogenes: eh..you actually claimed it was a fact there was no afterlife
bbbbink : are atheists a formal group, somerset?
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: :)) that's the informal way of saying it
damien_the_blasphemous : Somer, we just debunk the ones who think that each philosophy should be set in stone, whether they be atheist or christian.
scotsmanmatt : you put forward no logically valid argument in support of that assertion, only an argument from ignorance, the form of which you didn't even know
somersetcase1 : no, but atheism is an actual word, not subject to 500 different meanings
johntheantibaptist : bink they do have atheist organizations
the_chainsawpsycho : Vegas: You need another ex?
deahca2 : Man, I'm lagging so badly. dang!
iconfesschrist : creationists enjoy the creation as people evolutions enjoy to precreation as unmade
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:21:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, you claimed that most atheists accused christians of being 'false christians' in lew of a real argument, and christians didn't do the same thing.
diogenes_is_pissed : besides matt, my response of 'there is no afterlife' was not to you but to the christian asking 'well, why don't you atheists want to be in the afterlife' ( or something like that)
damien_the_blasphemous : Yet you never backed it up.
bbbbink : are any two atheists alike?
damien_the_blasphemous : Why is that?
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: it doesn't matter who you made the statement to..it was wrong then, it is wrong now...
deahca2 : any two religious peoople alike, bbink?
bbbbink : I don't think so, deah
scotsmanmatt : it is not a fact that there is no afterlife.
johntheantibaptist : bink it is possible i guess, but for the most part we atheist do not believe in a god after that is is subject to the individual
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:22:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
deahca2 : That's what is so great about Humans, we're all so unique
rev_sara_the_demon_child : ohhh baby
diogenes_is_pissed : and matt, if you can recall from your books on informal arguments, you'd see that posting a negative existential after a positive one is asserted is a challenge to argument - not a statement of fact
bbbbink : yes, but there's sure a lot of stereotypical chatter in here, isn't there?
damien_the_blasphemous : Dio, do you think he's going to admit that/
damien_the_blasphemous : ?
confesschrist : you cant enjoy a body- you are a body
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:23:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : The whole reason he fled to your argument is because he couldn't find any evidence to counter mine.
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: besides, you asked me on what evidence I make my claim - i gave mine -- where's yours?
iconfesschrist : your only enjoyment is your self fornication
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: try to rationalise your way out of the hole you dug for yourself all you want..it's far more honourable to just say, 'I was wrong', or 'I slightly exaggerated'.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : iconfesschrist, what's wrong with enjoying what God has given us?
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:24:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: you didn't provide any evidence, only an argument from ignorance. P hasn't been proven true, therefore P is false.
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, dipshit, he's more than adequetely defended himself, why don't you just admit that you're wrong?
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: well, then say you're wrong and we'll forget about it
rev_sara_the_demon_child : mmm yeah mr crawford YES YES AHH!!!!
nighthawk24us2002 : somerset.....they've had 2000 years for that.....its time they shit or get off the pot
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, ever hear of CONTEXT in an informal argument? Dipshit.
diogenes_is_pissed : scot: and, of course, the argument from ignorance IS A DEDUCTIVE FALLACY!
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: when I'm wrong..I'll admit it.
damien_the_blasphemous : Perhaps if you had been LISTENING you'd see what he meant?
bbbbink : I think the new testament actually celebrates individualism
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, no you won't, you never have.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: the argument from ignorance is an informal fallacy
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:25:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
iconfesschrist : the_kitty- you are to enjoy living..not exploiting it and claim God gave it to you
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, dio NEVER made an argument from ignorance, dipshit.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Exploit?
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : How is doing what our nature tells us to do, exploiting?
diogenes_is_pissed : damien: i think you're right -- he still wants to apply deductive fallacies to my inductive argument -- and he can't accept the fact that i presented it in an informal manner
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : God made our nature, why would we ignore it?
iconfesschrist : the_kitty--to use it how it was not intended for the sake of sin
damien_the_blasphemous : Dio, the funny thing is, he ran to your argument to get away from mine.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:26:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : I asked him for evidence to back up a claim he made, and instead of supplying it, he ran over to your argument.
scotsmanmatt : <-- leaves diogenes to try to save face by talking to damien_the_blasphemous lol
damien_the_blasphemous : His defense was your argument had 'substance' while mine didn't, even though I was replying to the topic HE BROUGHT UP.
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, that's what you did with me.
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: :)) no need for me to save face - it's you that lost some
iconfesschrist : the kitty- God made you a woman from two - if you do not honor where you came from you are taken from truth and do not have a life only a foriegn body of shame you "own"
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:27:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : So, did you find any evidence to back up your claims yet, scotsmanfraud?
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Hmmmmm. I find that illogical. We are our nature, God made our nature. Acting like it's not our nature seems like of wrong, and disrespectful, if you ask me.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: lol...yeah..right..it wasn't me who was forced to apologise to the room for their error in logic
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, you're a troll, trolls don't apologize, dipshit.
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: i didn't apologize for any errors in logic, but that my claim of your form of the fallacy was wrong
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:28:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
iconfesschrist : the_kitty-- nature isnt learned-- you are lost by following those who left their nature
scotsmanmatt : your error of logic was not knowing the proper form of the argument from ignorance.
damien_the_blasphemous : Dio, he's claiming he made you apologize?!
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Left their nature? Sex isn't natural?
scotsmanmatt : anyhow..it's yesterdays fish and chip wrapping....
damien_the_blasphemous : LMAO, I have the whole argument logged!
hotvegasman : moon yep
diogenes_is_pissed : scot: no, you presented the converse which was, to me, the wrong form
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:29:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
iconfesschrist : the kitty-- being human is natural-- you are speaking of fornication
damien_the_blasphemous : So scotsmanfraud, found any evidence to back up your claims?
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: you were wrong..period.
iconfesschrist : fornication is a lie
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, PROVE IT.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Part of being human is reproduction. That includes sexual pleasure.
scotsmanmatt : end of discussion on that subject
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, no it isn't, you troll.
diogenes_is_pissed : will someone tell Wendy that voice FINALLY seems to be working and I don't want to leave and come back in
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, dipshit, you do NOT run the conversation.
iconfesschrist : the kitty-- sexual pleasure occurs naturally you dont need to force it
deahca2 : <
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:30:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Woohoo!
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Who's forcing it, iconfesschrist?
diogenes_is_pissed : damien: that's ok -- let matt feel superior ( you know how difficult that is being a scot)
damien_the_blasphemous : iconfess, doesn't look like she's forcing anything on herself.
damien_the_blasphemous : snuggles kitty.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : murrs and stretches over damien's chest
damien_the_blasphemous : Dio, it doesn't matter, the whole conversation is logged.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:31:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
iconfesschrist : the kitty-- you are a mind body and soul-- if you reject your body as you harm your soul and have no authentic pleasure only the lie learned from sin
damien_the_blasphemous : He refused to present evidence for either of our arguments yesterday.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Who's rejecting their body?
damien_the_blasphemous : And he refused to even address your points today.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : I like my body. It's part of me and I respect it.
somersetcase1 : deah When I'm standing in line at the grocery store, I often glance over at the tabloids lining the shelf I see things like "I was abudted by alien dwarves and tortured for 40 days." I don't make a choice to believe that or not. I react to it with belief, or disbelief. It's not like we say to ourselves.."Hmm, I could believe this, and if I'm wrong,. well I would look silly. If I choiose not to believe and I'm wrong, well, then maybe I'll be taken by alien dwarves. hmm..what to do..Okay, I'll choose to believe it!" *poof* suddenly like magic, you believe it. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Certainly not for me anyway.
diogenes_is_pissed : damien: it seems that matt knows the formal definitions but doesn't know how to apply them correctly
damien_the_blasphemous : Hmm, doesn't look like kitty's rejecting her body.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:32:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : I have a sexual desire. Acting on it isn't rejecting my body.
damien_the_blasphemous : Looks like she's rather enjoying it in fact.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Hehehe damien
deahca2 : Sure you can believe those tabloids ( I personally think they're hilarious), none of my business. The choice is personal.
deahca2 : I've bought those tabloids a couple of times, because I laughed so hard at the headlines. Unfortunately, the headlines were the funniest part.
iconfesschrist : the kitty-- in truth humans are flesh wholely, spirit with them, soul as a being, and mind to enjoy gifts of the spirit and observe from themself as their flesh
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:33:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
justme9369 : blue--I have everything bob the builder:D
damien_the_blasphemous : iconfess, any evidence that humans are anything other than just flesh?
iconfesschrist : humans are not foreign to themself
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : Anyone know what the fuck iconfess is talking about?
somersetcase1 : I think it's a little more than a manifestation of culture, although I agree that has a huge influence. I think many variables are involved in how we think, and process information. In fact, I doubt I could Identify all the variables that gfo into my lack of belief in gods. When I think about those concepts, I react with disbelief. *shrug*
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : That means nothing in this context, iconfesschrist. I don't force pleasure on myself, or somesuch. My body naturally has a sexual desire. I don't create that consciously.
diogenes_is_pissed : iconfess is deluded -- no one knows what he's saying
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:34:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
iconfesschrist : only as a lie rejecting the truth of whom you were made will make you lost taken from the truth and dwelling in a lie of perpetual destruction of soul and body
damien_the_blasphemous : Kitty, do you have a soul?
damien_the_blasphemous : I've never noticed one.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:35:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
iconfesschrist : your body isnt a concern for yourself
iconfesschrist : you are it
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Uh. No. It's not a lie. I have
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Damien, no I don't believe so.
iconfesschrist : you are simply exploiting yourself
damien_the_blasphemous : wonders to himself why what iconfess's point it. is in ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:36:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : *is.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : No, iconfesschrist, I'm not.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Sexual desire it's societal. It's human.
damien_the_blasphemous : Exploiting herself?
damien_the_blasphemous : How so?
iconfesschrist : the_kitty-yes you are--your soul may be so damaged that it seems normal
damien_the_blasphemous : Iconfess, what soul?
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:37:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : Damages goods, kitty?
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : iconfesschrist, sexual desire is the topic. Not souls.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : zsa zsa no, thankfully.
iconfesschrist : sexual desire?
damien_the_blasphemous : Kitty, trade your soul in for a new one.
iconfesschrist : you are a human being
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : My body is in tact. So is my mind.
damien_the_blasphemous : Maybe they'll give you a discount.
iconfesschrist : your not a dog
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : So is my ki, in fact.
damien_the_blasphemous : Iconfess, no, she's a kitty.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Uh. Yeah iconfesschrist, I already am well aware.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : lol damien
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : Just remember, kitty....iconfess isn't here to judge.
iconfesschrist : i dont need to enjoy looking at anything i can touch it
damien_the_blasphemous : And she has natural sexual desires, and she'll act on them.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:38:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
iconfesschrist : you dont know what sex is
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : iconfesschrist, the topic isn't pornographic desire.
damien_the_blasphemous : Iconfess, any luck finding these souls?
damien_the_blasphemous : Iconfess, yes she does, she's had it, dipshit.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : iconfesschrist, you say that why?
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : I think iconfess is sexually repressed. He's ALWAYS talking about sex and fornication.
damien_the_blasphemous : LMAO deah.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:39:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
iconfesschrist : what you think you experienced doesnt exist
damien_the_blasphemous : zsa, maybe we should give it to him.
iconfesschrist : you are lost
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Doesn't exist?
damien_the_blasphemous : Iconfess, what about this soul of yours, does it exist?
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : blinks
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : I'll pass Damien. But feel free to knock yourself out.
damien_the_blasphemous : Kitty's not lost, she's right here on my lap.
iconfesschrist : the soul is seen by the soul
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Erm. I imagined it? Well, I suppose that is possible. But I have no evidence to suggest that it didn't really happen.
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : "You are lost", but iconfess isn't here to judge.
deahca2 : ROFL, critic,
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : giggles at damien
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : laughs.
damien_the_blasphemous : iconfess, so in other words the hypothetical construct is only seen by the hypothetical construct?
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:40:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : <-- rational defender of the Christian religion and its Scriptures.
damien_the_blasphemous : In other words, there is no evidence of it's existence?
iconfesschrist : im not judging you im being a friend
damien_the_blasphemous : . o O ( Scotsmanfraud proven to be a liar and a coward, http://gremlin.net/cgi-data/2003-02/76.html )
diogenes_is_pissed : welcome back dishonestmatt
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : iconfesschrist, continue discussing with me.
damien_the_blasphemous : iconfess, no you're not, you're being a sexually repressed pervert who's nosing in on other people's sex lives.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:41:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : agrees with Damien.
scotsmanmatt : <-- waits for an atheist to step up to the debating block
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud shown to be a troll http://gremlin.net/cgi-data/2003-02/76.html
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, any evidence to back up your assertions from yesterday?
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : lol zsa
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:42:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
iconfesschrist : One must be born again by faith in truth and spirit never consideration for self as different from mother and father as 1 in you You are made 1 flesh from your 2 parents Your parents exist as truth only- that is having their own mind body and soul from their own two parents All sons of men are flesh formed from 2 flesh looks are fornication for self want against own flesh they reject the two made 1 in yourself you only commit adultry in your own heart if you fornicate telling yourself you have no body and no soul and cannot reproduce neither in flesh nor spirit you suggest that you are a server of yourself in reality we are called to be fruitful and multiply you are 2 made 1
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, I've stepped up.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : iconfesschrist, what reason do I have to believe I did not really have sex?
scotsmanmatt : gypsymoon_32: I give you my word you will have my full attention and no point you raise will go unanswered :)
damien_the_blasphemous : Where's your evidence?
damien_the_blasphemous : inconfess, we don't do long posts.
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : That's the LONGEST run on sentence I've ever seen.
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, LIAR.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Honestly, iconfesschrist, I'm listening. Make your case.
damien_the_blasphemous : How come you NEVER answered my points from yesterday?
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:43:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
iconfesschrist : if faithful to ones wife she can never be unfaithful 2 are made 1 by will of love not flesh which is 1 in the offspring of all truly in christ the flesh of itself cannot be made nor be changed by self want for it - only be destroyed in spirit and truth only by being true to Christ are the things of God given to those able to receive them for fornications deny the mother and father as being authentic as the child not being that from which it came man and his woman are as christ and His church - as adam and eve - first and last as Christ came from the Father so two is the one in the son of man in faithfulness to his parents true nature his flesh is useful for spirit living in truth eternal not unfaithfullness in mind body or soul for temporal destruction
gypsymoon_32 : no de
gypsymoon_32 : they
gypsymoon_32 : dont
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, where's your EVIDENCE to back up the claims you made yesterday?
gypsymoon_32 : lol
deahca2 : I thought not, gypsy
scotsmanmatt : gypsymoon_32: So you think it logically follows that because you didn't listen as a Christian all other people are the same?
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : No wait, THAT was the longest run on sentence I've ever seen.
damien_the_blasphemous : Scotsmanfraud, evidence? Any?
damien_the_blasphemous : I think he has me iggied.
gypsymoon_32 : oh no no i know they dont listen
iconfesschrist : a child is to do only the will of mother and father...everything that comes from self want is a fornication (a lie) as the self was not constructed by that which is without itself and without truth
damien_the_blasphemous : Just shows him for the fraud he is.
deahca2 : However, there are some educated Christians that give wonderful discussions. I can't lump them all together
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: why don't you answer damien?
scotsmanmatt : gypsymoon_32: Sounds like a cop out to me.
damien_the_blasphemous : LMAO iconfess, that's really lame.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:44:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : kitty, you actually understand what iconfess is saying?
gypsymoon_32 : nope you can debate but you will end up iggying me like most
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: I have him on iggy for the day
damien_the_blasphemous : Gypsy, ask him why he never backed up his claims to me yesterday.
gypsymoon_32 : because i make sense
gypsymoon_32 : hehe
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: why don't you answer him ?
gypsymoon_32 : why didnt you back up your claims to damien
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:45:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Dio, ask him why he won't provide any evidence to back up the claim that 'gremlin.net is the atheist equivalent of Jack Chick tracts'.
iconfesschrist : everything a person enjoys they enjoy as themself
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : iconfesschrist, you have not explained why fornication is a lie. We have to have sex to reproduce. It is part of human nature, the desire is real, not set by society. It's built in to our circuitry.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: eh..because the subject he is obsessed with is tangential to what I'm here for and only to be engaged in when I'm really bored or seeking a laugh
gypsymoon_32 : someone gave me a really good site let me get it
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : :-o
iconfesschrist : if you deny yourself you only only what they tell you you enjoy but is that real?
iconfesschrist : no
damien_the_blasphemous : Dio, ask him why he refuses to back up ANY of his assertions.
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: where's your evidence to back up your claim that 'gremlin.net' is the atheist equivalent of Jack Chick tracts?
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : I don't deny myself.
gypsymoon_32 : http://www.minitru.org/llf/stories.html this is a fun site
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:46:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Kitty denies herself?
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: The evidence is in a comparison of the content of the two...both are full of shit
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : I've highly comfortable with myself, my mind, my conscious and my ki. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share.
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: damien wants to know why you don't back up ANY of your assertions?
iconfesschrist : the kitty--what you think is sex is without a creator and without an experience
damien_the_blasphemous : Dio, he also claimed that atheists always accuse christians of be 'false christians' as a cop-out to real arguments, he has yet to back that up too.
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : So, you might think you're enjoying yourself, but you're not really enjoying yourself.
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : Classic.
gypsymoon_32 : scot go to that site then debate me
damien_the_blasphemous : *being.
iconfesschrist : your Father is God
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:47:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
iconfesschrist : exist in truth
damien_the_blasphemous : Ask him for more details on it.
william_pride2000 : scot is refusing to back up assertions??? WOW...what a shocker!!! :D
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: well, he will need to wait until I remove him from the fundie bin to get an answer to any of his questions
damien_the_blasphemous : A vague assertion does not count as evidence.
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: you accuse atheists of calling christians 'false christians' as a cop-out -- can you back that up?
damien_the_blasphemous : Dio, ask him why he's afraid to answer questions.
deahca2 : If you disagree with a fellow Christian or the Christian does something horrible and gets caught,THEN, they're SUDDENLY and IMMEDIATELY false Christians. LOL. Always cracks me up
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : iconfesschrist, that does not apply to the conversation. God built us as we are. He
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:48:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
iconfesschrist : the kitty-- sexual desire?
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Yes, iconfesschrist.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: when you have your own questions I'll be glad to interact with you.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : lol chain
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: it'd be better for your reputation to take damien off of ignore and answer his questions -- this looks like a vain attempt to elude them ( giving credence to his opinion of you)
damien_the_blasphemous : Dio, tell him that it is your own question now.
iconfesschrist : desire is not required for enjoyment rether is is without enjoyment and forces u to serve it
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: I am not in the slightest bit concerned about what atheists think of me....
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:49:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
iconfesschrist : when one exist they simply are
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: you mean the room ( which includes christians as well!)
gypsymoon_32 : ok scot why do you feel the need to tell us about your god
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: No..atheists....
iconfesschrist : they do not think about what they are neither do they desire
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Grrr.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : What was my last post?
damien_the_blasphemous : Apparently scotsmanfraud believed that no christians where watching me show him to be a coward yesterday.
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: really? then why did you put damien on ignore? sounds like you are concerned!
scotsmanmatt : gypsymoon_32: hold on until I've looked at the URL you posted.
gypsymoon_32 : lol ok have fun
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:50:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : LMAO, good one dio, caught him in his own lie.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: Learn what non sequitur is.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Damien, what was my last post that went through?
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: :)) it's not a non sequitor
damien_the_blasphemous : Um, hold on...
iconfesschrist : life occurs as you are present
damien_the_blasphemous : the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : What was my last post?
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Before that
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : laughs.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : laughs
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:51:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
iconfesschrist : not how you would be when you arent enjoying life
damien_the_blasphemous : the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : lol chain
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Thanks.
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : :))
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: sure it is...it does not logically follow that because X puts Y on ignore that X is concerned about Y's opinion of them.
iconfesschrist : you lost yourself and you seek rest but cannot find it
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : If God didn't put it there, then where did it come from? I mean, did the devil put it there?
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : That was about the sexual desire.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : iconfesschrist, I am not lost.
you_love_barb : :)
iconfesschrist : the kitty---you are not
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : iconfesschrist, humans have a natural, built in, desire for sex. And that was before it.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:52:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
iconfesschrist : i am
damien_the_blasphemous : I dont know iconfess, she's resting quite comfortably on me.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : iconfesschrist, so, you're lost. That means what to me, besides that you're lost? I mean... so you need to be found. I don't.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Or, you need to find your way.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : I don't.
iconfesschrist : the kitty---sex isnt an activity--humans have a soul--they are a whole person you cling to something that is without being
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Sex isn't an activity? *blinks*
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:53:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Iconfess, any evidence that these 'souls' exist?
damien_the_blasphemous : Your argument kind of crumbles without it.
iconfesschrist : BE BACK LATER
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : "Sex isn't an activity". This coming from someone who's not getting any.
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: if you want to play that game -- Person X asks person Y to substantiate claims. Person Y doesn't. Person Y ( for some reason ?) puts person X on ignore. person Y claims that he is 'not concerned with the opinions of atheists' but the only thing person X did was to call you a fraud by not responding.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : But even still. My soul isn't hurt by my sexual nature. After all, the soul is linked with the body. Damn he left.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:54:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : I was conversing nicely, and he
diogenes_is_pissed : therefore, Y put X on ignore because Y didn't like the opinions of X
zsa_zsa_galore2002 : probably booted, kitty.
damien_the_blasphemous : Kitty, you scared him off with all the sex talk.
the_chainsawpsycho : Kitty: iconfess is a jerkwad just looking for attention.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : No, zsa, he said that he'd be back later.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : I guess so, damien. But he started it.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : It's not
gypsymoon_32 : your a doctor critical?
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:55:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : goes back to snuggling with damien
damien_the_blasphemous : Heehee, I've got 44 people on my iggy.
damien_the_blasphemous : snuggles back.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes: that's fine until you bring it into reality. At that point any rationally minded person would understand a theist putting damien_the_blasphemous on ignore..the same as rationally minded people understand why atheists put YADT on ignore.
damien_the_blasphemous : Dio, ask him who, besides him, has ever put me on iggy.
damien_the_blasphemous : Oh, Ken_in_ny has once.
damien_the_blasphemous : But that gives me more credence, considering Ken's history.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:56:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: now that's a non sequitor. atheists put YADT on iggy because YADT refuses to converse - just spam the room. Damien, on the other hand, asked you to support your assertions
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Oh wow. I'm still in what I slept in.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : ponders getting dressed
william_pride2000 : truff!
damien_the_blasphemous : advises kitty not to.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: no, it isn't a non sequitur...YADT is a fundie idiot..damien is a fundie idiot..
scotsmanmatt : both deserve the same treatment
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Actually, it's
gypsymoon_32 : now because the doctors didnt listen I have to fight for my life
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:57:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: yadt spams the room, damien discusses
scotsmanmatt : only being occassionaly tolerated for entertainment purposes
damien_the_blasphemous : Okay, I'm wondering if scotsmanfraud has ANY evidence to back up that claim.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : used to have long hair
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: it still looks like you're running away from damien's questions
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: lack of content is lack of content whether it's spamming or spouting forth crap
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : now has short hair
goddess_goldberry : damien.. don't you know? scotsman isn't a christian because he wants to be one, it is the only logical conclusion he could find
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: then it will need to look like that...
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: from the questions damien has posted, i don't see them as crap
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:58:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Goddess, he has me on iggy because apparently I'm the 'atheist equivalent of YADT'.
goddess_goldberry : lol damien. i haven't seen that yet
diogenes_is_pissed : where's the grem log?
goddess_goldberry : but then damien.. he gets mad at me too
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: well, that's hard luck
damien_the_blasphemous : Goddess, of course, the real reason he iggied me is because of this little conversation: http://gremlin.net/cgi-data/2003-02/76.html
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:59:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
goddess_goldberry : ohh no.. that must be good if it was posted on grem.
deahca2 : <
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: it's not hard luck for me -- just you. by your refusal to accept the challenge of damien's questions, it makes you look like a fool
damien_the_blasphemous : Damn, scots doesn't need MY help to look like a fool, he does it well enough on his own.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: as I said, the opinion of atheists [with but few exceptions] is of absolutely no consequence or interest to me.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:00:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Some people are just sadistic, damien.
damien_the_blasphemous : Kitty, he doesn't even have the intelligence to be sarcastic.
damien_the_blasphemous : Er, sadistic even.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Oh good. Someone who corrects themselves before I get a chance to :D
damien_the_blasphemous : giggles.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:01:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:02:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:03:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: so why is it that none of your statements are not allowed to be challenged?
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: fallacy of complex question
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:04:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: it isn't an argument - it is a query
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: it's a query which presumes an answer to a question not asked...that presumption is false.
damien_the_blasphemous : LMAO, he accuses you of a complex fallacy, then he goes and posts one a second later.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:05:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: oh? which unasked question would that be?
damien_the_blasphemous : brb, grabbing lunch.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: Are none of my statements allowed to be challenged? No...they are not.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:06:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:07:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: based on the conversation today and yesterday, you've refused to answer to the challenges -- side stepping and then ignoring them. Based on your actions, it isn't a 'complex question' fallacy
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:08:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : is back.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : tackles damien
damien_the_blasphemous : Did scotsmanfraud post any evidence while I was away?
damien_the_blasphemous : falls over in a kittypile.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: it is...I am frequently challenged on positions I hold to and indeed welcome such challenges..that I don't tolerate one idiot from amongst many people does negate that as being the case.
diogenes_is_pissed : no damien -- scroll up for a good laugh
damien_the_blasphemous : Dio, tell him I was the ONLY one asking him questions at the time.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:09:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : *does NOT negate
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: i've yet to see you answer
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:10:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: well, that's your own opinion that the transcripts would contradict so I dismiss your delusio
scotsmanmatt : n
damien_the_blasphemous : LMAO, the transcripts already been posted.
bluejene : <-------------read the transscripts
damien_the_blasphemous : http://gremlin.net/cgi-data/2003-02/76.html Right here, anyone can look.
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: yesterday you made a statement to the effect that 'atheists like to accuse christians of being false christians in order to subjugate the argument' -- can you provide the evidence for such?
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:11:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Dio, the exact quote...
damien_the_blasphemous : scotsmanmatt : thechad90000: To call a theist a false Christian is a typical tactic of some atheists...they think by attacking the person they are addressing an issue...
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: here's your exact words . . . scotsmanmatt : thechad90000: To call a theist a false Christian is a typical tactic of some atheists...they think by attacking the person they are addressing an issue...
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:12:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : plays in the water
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: yes..now do you see the first LIE of damien?
damien_the_blasphemous : tackles the wet kitty.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : You picked a good day to do that, chain. I'm wearing a white tank top.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : rumbles around with damien
damien_the_blasphemous : gets wet and wild with kitty.
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: now can you provide some evidence to show that some atheists call christians 'false christians' as a typical tactic?
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : Hehehehe.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:13:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: now who is avoiding answering questions ? lol
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: are you claiming that damien lied? how? you were making that assertion to someone else!
damien_the_blasphemous : This log is SO going on gremlin.net.
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: I don't see a lie! I see a person asking you to substantiate that claim
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: if you were fair-minded in this discussion you'd be comparing what I actually said with what damien has been claiming I said....
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:14:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Dio, tell him I'm the one who gave you the exact quote.
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: it's on gremlin.net -- want the post? it's right there!
damien_the_blasphemous : And so what I claim he said, IS what he said.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: I'm not disputing MY statement....
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: damien was the one to give me your exact statement
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:15:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: and if you look at the transcripts, all damien was asking is for you to provide evidence to support that claim
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: No..he has went further than that in his misrepresentation of what I said
diogenes_is_pissed : http://gremlin.net/cgi-data/2003-02/76.html
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:16:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : LMAO, how can I misrepresent scotsmanfraud with a DIRECT QUOTE?
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: then if that is the case, damien then looks like a fool on that website. but again you're evading MY question which I MYSELF posed
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:17:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: ok...here is what damien_the_blasphemous posted to you earlier on: damien_the_blasphemous : Dio, he also claimed that atheists always accuse christians of be 'false christians' as a cop-out to real arguments, he has yet to back that up too.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: now is that statement a true representation of the statement I made to chad?
damien_the_blasphemous : Dio, tell him that I officially retract that statement and replace it with his direct quote.
diogenes_is_pissed : scot: it's not germane to the discussion. Damien then gave the EXACT QUOTE from you! NOW answer MY question!
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:18:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
diogenes_is_pissed : damien says he 'officially retracts that statement and replaces it with your exact words'
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: it is perfectly germane to the discussion for it shows how he has been misrepresenting what I actually said
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: answer my question, please
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: when you answer mine I'll answer your own
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:19:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Tell him it's a moot point because he NEVER ANSWERED THE QUESTION IN THE FIRST PLACE, not even to correct my 'misrepresentation'.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : If you're going to talk to someone, you might as well just uniggy them, scott.
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: now you're being dishonest again! I posted a question to you and now you're trying to evade it by making it a damien issue. please answer the question I posted some time ago
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:20:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_blasphemous : Tell him it's a moot point because he NEVER ANSWERED THE QUESTION IN THE FIRST PLACE, not even to correct my 'misrepresentation'.
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: lol....fine...repost your question..
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:21:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: now can you provide some evidence to show that some atheists call christians 'false christians' as a typical tactic?
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: and for the record, the issue is damien_the_blasphemous and why I haven't responded to his questions. The answer: He has deliberately misrepresented my statements even although having them in front of him in the transcript..
diogenes_is_pissed : ( that is, btw , a re-post from the room)
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: now can you provide some evidence to show that some atheists call christians 'false christians' as a typical tactic?
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:22:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: The evidence for that claim would be found in observing atheist/theist dialogues in this forum..
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: now can you provide some evidence to show that some atheists call christians 'false christians' as a typical tactic?
goddess_goldberry : scots.. never have claimed anyone to be a false christian..
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:23:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: That was the context of the remark, i.e. referring to what occurs in this room
goddess_goldberry : i think eric rudolph is about as true as they come
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: so based on your personal experiences you came to that conclusion?
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: as far as I've seen in the room, only xtians call other xtians 'false christians'
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:24:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
brngreenback : scotts, I'm interested, if you have a moment, in knowing why you were going on about "typical tactics" in the first place.
brngreenback : Just that it seems a bit cocky
william_pride2000 : dio...exactly...like polspin who says catholics aren't christians
diogenes_is_pissed : and I wouldn't even know what kind of result an atheist would hope to get by doing such?
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:25:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
scotsmanmatt : brngreenback: because some of the atheists were ganging up on chad and I was pointing out to him why he shouldn't be overly concerned about their accusations
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: in short, your evidence doesn't support such a statement
goddess_goldberry : scots.. chad is an idiot..
brngreenback : scots, alright, I can see that. Still, you can be supportive without being snide.
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:26:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
diogenes_is_pissed : matt: actually, i believe that chad made a few non-christian statements and was chastized for it
scotsmanmatt : goddess_goldberry: so is damien..
scotsmanmatt : diogenes_is_pissed: Not from what I seen.
goddess_goldberry : scots.. no he isn't.. he just got upset that you would generalize in such a way
goddess_goldberry : i completely disagree with what you have said
LOG DATA Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:27:03 damien_the_blasphemous, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
goddess_goldberry : and chad was saying how people like terrorists who happen to be christians aren't real christians..
scotsmanmatt : goddess_goldberry: that's the point..I didn't generalise..I said, 'some atheists'..he then removed the word, 'some' in his following accusation
goddess_goldberry : he always says that anyone who is not exactly like him is not a real christian
scotsmanmatt : goddess_goldberry: and he is right on that point
goddess_goldberry : scots.. i dont think he is right.. if they believe in jesus and they blow up a building they are no long christian?
damien_the_blasphemous : I'm back.
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