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Posted by Gremlin [12.211.200.127 - 12-211-200-127.client.attbi.com] on 26 February 2003 at 09.09.51 ZuluTime:
In Reply to: THE ARGUMENT FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD. posted by Jeremiahthirtythreethree on 26 February 2003 at 08.08.53 ZuluTime:
Therefore since something is eternal, an IMMATERIAL, infinite, self existent being exists and therefore CAUSED the finite material universe to come into being!
Granting that this sentence doesn't have much to do with anything before it, I'll treat it as a standalone.
I don't think I've ever seen this particular fallacy before. The Argument from Immaterialism. Your basic setup is deities aren't known to exist; any universe not containing deities must be created by deities; therefore deities exist.
It's bullshit. You're inventing causation based on a simplified generalisation you've just pulled out of your ass.
Showing that the universe is apparently without beginning or end, while being apparently without conscience, proves that a different, conscious, eternal creature must have caused it. This is utterly baseless.
That aside, you've contradicted both yourself and basic physics. There is no finite material universe. Matter is eternal: it can be neither created nor destroyed. We know that; you don't get to vote on it.
You still haven't shown deities to exist. You've only shown your desperation to make them required.
Why don't you stop trying to invent reasons why existing deities might have a reason to live, on focus instead on supplying actual evidence that they're around at all....
--Gremlin