| 08 June 2003 at 03.51.50 ZuluTime
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Posted by Damien [24.159.250.195 - 24-159-250-195.jvl.wi.charter.com] on 08 June 2003 at 03.51.50 ZuluTime:
In Reply to: This guy KNOWS Hovind, or claims it. posted by Damien on 08 June 2003 at 03.19.19 ZuluTime:
damien_the_demon_kitty : Hey, thought you had to go to bed!
sweet_guy_designer : I'm working actually right now, I would appreciate it if you displayed a bit more respect damien.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, so why did you lie about having to go to bed then?
sweet_guy_designer : I didn't lie.
damien_the_demon_kitty : I don't show respect to liars.
sweet_guy_designer : I will be leaving here, and I'm tired of hearing 50 people verbally bash me for no reason whatsoever.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, okay, you never openly said it, but it is VERY implied in this quote, sweet_guy_designer : I'm not, It's 9:30 and I need to get up early for church, Take care.
sweet_guy_designer : It's like I said earlier, if you guys have a problem with Dr. Hovind, take it up with him... but that doesn't entitle you all to attack me.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Do you deny this was said?
sweet_guy_designer : No, I dont.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, if Hovind wants to debate us, he's more than welcome.
damien_the_demon_kitty : If he's afraid to debate us in a nuetral forum, that's his own problem.
sweet_guy_designer : If you would all like to call in to the live broadcast every week, and expose him infront of thousands, You're more than welcome to do so.
sweet_guy_designer : neutral? I think that word doesn't fit your chatroom very well.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, you should know a public debate is not a very good place for a scientific discussion.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, it doesn't have to be the chatroom.
damien_the_demon_kitty : He could pick the forum, as long as it is unmoderated, or moderated by an unbiased judge, we'll accept.
sweet_guy_designer : Listen, if you guys are too coward to face him personally, or speak directly to him, cough it up.... but do not sit and whine about him not coming into to chat with you... That is not my problem, He's a busy man who doesn't have time to sit and monitor a forum online. Call or walk away.
sweet_guy_designer : Call in if you're willing to debate him.
sweet_guy_designer : He'll be on the air all next week live, toll free. call.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, if he's too cowardly to debate in an open forum, where he can't use his common tactic of rapid-firing questions that require essay-long answers, then claiming victory when he doesn't recieve answers in thirty seconds, that's his problem.
damien_the_demon_kitty : We'll make sure to point it out to him.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, so why is Hovind only willing to debate in a forum where rapid-fire catchphrases rule the day?
sweet_guy_designer : Call in, and stop talking behind his back like a coward.... All of you jump to talk about him, but none of you have accepted to talk to him and that is a blunt openly statement declaring that you are all cowards.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, I'm not talking behind his back, I fully encourage you to show him this transcript, since you claim to know him.
damien_the_demon_kitty : I will gladly repeat all my statements if you want to bring him in here.
sweet_guy_designer : I work right here in his ministry, I speak with him everyday. I run the website, He calls with updates, I know the man. Now if you would like to talk to him, then call in.
sweet_guy_designer : There is information on the websites main page.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, we have all accepted to talk to him, on nuetral ground.
sweet_guy_designer : Then call in to the net program.
sweet_guy_designer : Just you and Him.
sweet_guy_designer : Pretty neutral.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, once again, phone debates, and public debates are not good venues for exchanging scientific information.
sweet_guy_designer : No? And why not.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, I already explained that, if you have trouble understanding, I'll repeat it for you.
sweet_guy_designer : I think this is another example of your cowardly self coming out. "I wont talk to him in person, that would be scary".
sweet_guy_designer : As I've told you, He doesn't have time to sit down at a computer and play games with you all.
sweet_guy_designer : If you're serious, call in and discuss it like adults.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Many scientific concepts CANNOT be covered in the time limitations inherent in a verbal debate, that is why science cannot be effectively discussed over the phone or in a public debate.
sweet_guy_designer : with an audience of thousands.
sweet_guy_designer : There are no time limits, You will not be cut off if you call.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, so, he does have time to talk on the phone all day, but he doesn't have time to write an email?
sweet_guy_designer : Call and speak your mind.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, why doesn't he do it online, with an audience of MILLIONS?
sweet_guy_designer : Talking is a bit faster than typing.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, typing is more effective for an exchange of information.
sweet_guy_designer : Especially when he doesn't use a computer but to change slides in presentations, let alone type a novel to you skeptics.
sweet_guy_designer : No, If you would like to call and record his voice, taht would be your best best.
sweet_guy_designer : Get his voice telling his "lies".
sweet_guy_designer : That cannot be ruled out if I am not mistaken
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, already been done, want some links?
damien_the_demon_kitty : I could even provide direct quotes.
sweet_guy_designer : You are believing anything you read online, I could show you a thousands websites cliaming tupac and evlis are sharing a bunkbed on mars, does that make it true?
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, there's a difference, the sites I get the quotes from provide REFERENCES that can be CHECKED for their VERACITY.
sweet_guy_designer : If you want to get the truth, then speak to the man.
sweet_guy_designer : That is fine, call the man if you're not a coward. Instead of believing some third party source, be a man and speak to him yourself.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, certainly, have him send me an email, that way he doesn't have to wait for a time when both of us are free to use a phone, much more convenient. I'm at dqstyx@yahoo.com
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, tell him to give me an email
sweet_guy_designer : Are you blind? Should I write it in brail? he doens't chat or write lengthy emails, there is a toll free number on the website, call it.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Unless he doesn't like to leave a paper trail, I'll understand.
sweet_guy_designer : Or give me your number and I will have him call you.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, yet he'll talk on the phone for hours?
sweet_guy_designer : Do so and record his voice.
sweet_guy_designer : What better proof than this that he's spreading lies.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, an email.
sweet_guy_designer : A text-based email sure isn't imperical evidence.
sweet_guy_designer : Anybody could easily type one of those up, get his voice.
damien_the_demon_kitty : That is my offer, it's VERY easy to accept.
sweet_guy_designer : That would be the more intelligent thing to do.
sweet_guy_designer : Then you're a coward.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, it is if it provides the proper sources, references, links etc.
sweet_guy_designer : You are a coward if you will not speak with him yourself.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, coward? I'm offering to talk in an OPEN FORUM.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, I am willing to speak with him myself.
sweet_guy_designer : Online, when I told you he doens't type but 12 words a minute with 19 erros.
damien_the_demon_kitty : But not on his terms, on NEUTRAL terms.
sweet_guy_designer : Then call!
sweet_guy_designer : A radio feed is neutral grounds.
sweet_guy_designer : 1 on 1.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, he doesn't have to type fast, he can take as long as he likes.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Or hell, you type fast, why don't you just have him dictate to you?
sweet_guy_designer : Stop beating around the bush, I'm tired of you cowards avoiding speaking to him on-air or in person.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, not for a scientific discussion, I've already explained that.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, I'm not beating around anything, I've made a very nice offer.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, an email, is that really that hard?
sweet_guy_designer : No, You dont know half of what you're talking about... Get on the phone, like an adult, and call in... Record it and give it to your friends showing them how you debunked Kent Hovind.
damien_the_demon_kitty : If he types slow, he can dictate to a fast typer, he doesn't really have any excuses not to.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, why are you so intent on avoiding any writing?
sweet_guy_designer : Call in, stop being a coward I'm serious... this is pathetic. I'm not wasting my time speaking with you, I think i'm actually getting sick of it.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, sick of what? My unwillingness to debate on a forum where rapid-fire catchphrases rule the day?
sweet_guy_designer : The man doesn't do computers, Get his voice on tape.
damien_the_demon_kitty : On my insistance of a nuetral forum that reaches millions?
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, he knows people that do.
sweet_guy_designer : Get the phone and speak with him infront of thousands, You'll have all the time you like. No exucuses.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Hell, he could just record his voice on tape, then send it to a guy who can type it out, is it THAT inconvenient?
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, get him online so he can speak to MILLIONS>
sweet_guy_designer : That is inconvenient when you can speak directly to him.
sweet_guy_designer : I hardly think millions, and I think you know you're over exagerating there.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, you want a list of how it's inconvenient?
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, I'm not.
damien_the_demon_kitty : You can put the email transcript in any forums you like for comment.
damien_the_demon_kitty : I can too.
damien_the_demon_kitty : You can publish it, so can I.
sweet_guy_designer : Damien, Calling and exposing him on air infront of thousands should be a sweet pleasure for any of you, Do so.
damien_the_demon_kitty : It's harder to do that with a phone conversation.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, once again, a phone is an impractical way to debate.
damien_the_demon_kitty : You cannot seem to get around this fact.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Want me to cut and paste why again, I can do that, it's another advantage of electronic debate.
damien_the_demon_kitty : How about references? On an email debate, you can check references immediately, you can take the time to craft a complete response to ALL the points immediately.
damien_the_demon_kitty : On the phone, to have an effective debate would require Hovind calling me, leaving his argument on my answering machine, me going through his message dozens of times, checking the sources, then take the time to write a responce, get my sources, etc., then rehearse it enough times so that I can memorize it when I call him back. Very impractical.
damien_the_demon_kitty : The debate would literally take weeks, viewers on both sides would rapidly lose interest.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Ever try to give a mathematical equation over the phone? It just doesn't work.
damien_the_demon_kitty : How about a diagram over the phone?
damien_the_demon_kitty : Why so silent, sweet?