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Posted by Damien [24.159.250.195 - 24-159-250-195.jvl.wi.charter.com] on 08 June 2003 at 03.19.19 ZuluTime:
Sweet_designer_guy claims he can get Hovind 'on the phone in minutes' for us.
begs_to_be_sodomized : Knight: I have a guy on my friends list that says he can get Hovind into a voice debate. I'm on dial-up. Do you think the Infidel Guy will take him?
knight_of_baawa : Hovind will never get into a phone debate
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:03:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
begs_to_be_sodomized : He claims that he designs hovinds pages
knight_of_baawa : He's too much of a fucking coward
begs_to_be_sodomized : He said he will.
sweet_guy_designer : Knight, he does it almost everyday ;)
knight_of_baawa : Hovind would never do it
begs_to_be_sodomized : Knight: Want to try?
sweet_guy_designer : knight, give him your phone number, he'll call ya :)
begs_to_be_sodomized : Knight: Meet sweet_guy_designer
begs_to_be_sodomized : He's a friend of Kents.
knight_of_baawa : http://www.hunter-mott.connectfree.co.uk/lyrics/atyd.html
knight_of_baawa : No he won't, sweet
knight_of_baawa : He's a coward
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : f Which explains why I haven't seen it before.
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:04:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : f I am, mjh00c
begs_to_be_sodomized : He's never answered my emails.
sweet_guy_designer : knight, he makes dozens of phone calls a day to people who request it.
begs_to_be_sodomized : Hmm.
knight_of_baawa : laughs
knight_of_baawa : He does not, sweet
sweet_guy_designer : Send me them, I'll give them directly to him ;)
knight_of_baawa : He's too busy beating up his tenants
sweet_guy_designer : Knight, I stand with there with him and listen to the conversations at times.
knight_of_baawa : Why wouldn't Hovind debate Buddika online, sweet?
damien_the_demon_kitty : mjh, well, if you're into that kind of thing, I guess I can oblige.
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:05:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
sweet_guy_designer : knight, he is not a typer, he's willing to speak with anybody publicly, or on a phone.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Knight, it's too open a forum.
knight_of_baawa : He's certainly not, sweet
knight_of_baawa : He's a fucking coward
sweet_guy_designer : Knight, I'm sure you've never met the man, so I would not be so sure you know half of what you're talking about ;)
damien_the_demon_kitty : He prefers forums where he can rapid fire a bunch of questions that require essay long answers, then claim victory when he doesn't recieve an answer within thirty seconds.
damien_the_demon_kitty : It's a typical fundy tactic.
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:06:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
ondoher1 : oh look, it's hovind's little sock-puppet come back to tell us how great his Master is
damien_the_demon_kitty : Many people have tried to get him to do an online debate, he's refused them all.
knight_of_baawa : sweet, I'm sure I'
begs_to_be_sodomized : Shermer has been requesting a debate, if I remember correctly.
knight_of_baawa : I'm sure that I've read his bullshit
radardog : How the hell do you write a doctoral paper without being able to type well? Actually, more interesting, what did Hovind do for his Doctorate degree?
begs_to_be_sodomized : But after Gish, Hovind has been saying no.
knight_of_baawa : And I know that Hovind is a fucking coward
knight_of_baawa : http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent_hovind's_lies.htm
damien_the_demon_kitty : Radar, you mean his dissertion?
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : f Radar, probably the same way people did before computers were prevalent.
knight_of_baawa : You see, I know Ian Wood in alt.atheism
radardog : nods to damien.
radardog : Damien- Do you have any idea?
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:07:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
ondoher1 : radar: it's hilarious, actually
damien_the_demon_kitty : People have read through it, according to them, it's bullshit, I'm inclined to believe them, considering the average quality of the words that come from his mouth.
radardog : Ondo-- I'd like to read it. Out of curiosity.
goddess_goldberry : hovind won't ever debate anyone important
damien_the_demon_kitty : Hold on, I'll try and find it.
ondoher1 : vulp: what did shermer do to gish?
ondoher1 : radar: it's online
sweet_guy_designer : goddess, We debated Michael Shermer just a month ago.
ondoher1 : radar: or at least the story of it is
goddess_goldberry : sweet? who is we?
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:08:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
sweet_guy_designer : He, I'm sorry ;)
damien_the_demon_kitty : http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/bartelt_dissertation_on_hovind_thesis.htm
begs_to_be_sodomized : Ondoher: Shermer brought Gish under fire by his own congregation.
damien_the_demon_kitty : There is a review of it.
ondoher1 : vulp: is there a recounting of this online?
begs_to_be_sodomized : I have one more question: Why wont Hovind go into Counter Balance to Debate?
begs_to_be_sodomized : The topic scientists in their fields are all there.
sweet_guy_designer : Counter Balance?
goddess_goldberry : jo.. same reason that hovind won't leave abiogensis out of evolution
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:09:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
knight_of_baawa : You know, in Florida, it is illegal to call yourself a doctor when you're not
ondoher1 : how many scientific papers has hovind published in peer-reviewed journals again?
damien_the_demon_kitty : Knight, yup.
knight_of_baawa : And Hovind has no doctoral degree
sweet_guy_designer : Goddess, there are more several types of evolution.
goddess_goldberry : mjh.. then you don't respect me
damien_the_demon_kitty : I saw a debate on it once.
knight_of_baawa : No sweet, there isn't
knight_of_baawa : Hovind is a liar
sweet_guy_designer : Knight, I've walked psast the thing everyday for the past 4 months.
begs_to_be_sodomized : http://www.counterbalance.net/
knight_of_baawa : No you haven't, sweet
damien_the_demon_kitty : He has a degree, but it's from an unaccredited diploma-mill.
begs_to_be_sodomized : Top Scientists debate on this forum.
damien_the_demon_kitty : So it isn't worth jack shit.
knight_of_baawa : Patriot University is not accredited
sweet_guy_designer : Knight, I would know better than you i'm sure ;) My eyes ;)
knight_of_baawa : Therefore, it isn't a doctoral degree
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:10:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_demon_kitty : Knight, pretty much.
sweet_guy_designer : Knight, things have changed since he graduated, Happens to alot of colleges.
knight_of_baawa : sweet, and I know that a doctoral degree must come from someplace accredited
damien_the_demon_kitty : Not an official one anyways.
jaydmoore : is one of those top scientists
knight_of_baawa : And Patriot isn't accredited
sweet_guy_designer : Knight, it isn't even the same school now.
knight_of_baawa : laughs
happily_ex_fundy : sweet, it was not accredited, then or now.
damien_the_demon_kitty : The best term would be 'fraud', but that's reserved for other parts of his personality.
begs_to_be_sodomized : My favourite was Weinberg (Nobel Prize Winner, QP) and Reverend Polkinghorn (particle physicist)
knight_of_baawa : ok, lemme bust out the facts
happily_ex_fundy : knight, bring it on
begs_to_be_sodomized : sweet_guy_designer: Tell Hovind to go here >> http://www.counterbalance.net/
begs_to_be_sodomized : And his credentials better be good.
sub_killyourself_liminal : i went to occidental "nosebleed elevation" college....
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, the college has never been accredited.
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:11:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
begs_to_be_sodomized : These are the best in the world.
ondoher1 : vulp: is there a recounting of the gish shermer debate online?
sweet_guy_designer : SOdomize, He doesn't participate in online discussions, If you would like to talk to him, He'll call you.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : f Yeah. Damn my simple mind :-l
goddess_goldberry : sweet.. talking about hovinds "college"
damien_the_demon_kitty : It operates out of an apartment basement.
knight_of_baawa : Hovind claims to possess a masters degree and a doctorate in education from Patriot University in Colorado. According to Hovind, his 250-page dissertation was on the topic of the dangers of teaching evolution in the public schools. Formerly affiliated with Hilltop Baptist Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, Patriot University is accredited only by the American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions, an accreditation mill that provides accreditation for a $100 charge. Patriot University has moved to Alamosa, Colorado and continues to offer correspondence courses for $15 to $32 per credit. The school's catalog contains course descriptions but no listing of the school's faculty or their credentials. Name It and Frame It lists Patriot University as a degree mill [3].
damien_the_demon_kitty : It's described as a diploma-mill.
begs_to_be_sodomized : Ondoher: I'll go hunt it. I have it filed somewhere. It was funny. BRB
goddess_goldberry : sweet.. he is a liar.. he is unaccredited.. and his fallacys are quite easy to point out
damien_the_demon_kitty : It will give anyone a diploma who pays them the required money.
sweet_guy_designer : I walk by the degrees and papers (on the living room wall) everyday, I would know.
knight_of_baawa : Well there you go, sweet
sweet_guy_designer : Goddess, then call him ;)
goddess_goldberry : i believe there is a list of 300 lies of hovind
knight_of_baawa : sweet, I could print out a doctoral degree on my printer. That doesn't make it real
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:12:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
sweet_guy_designer : You are all cowards, You can all talk about him, but you wont talk to him.
knight_of_baawa : laighsw
knight_of_baawa : Hovind is the coward
knight_of_baawa : He won't debate online
knight_of_baawa : The fucking coward
ondoher1 : sweet: get him here
begs_to_be_sodomized : sweet_guy_designer: Great. Then he can go to http://www.counterbalance.net/ nearly all of these people have work in their fields.
sweet_guy_designer : Knight, Call him.
begs_to_be_sodomized : Especially Weinberg
knight_of_baawa : Have him come here
begs_to_be_sodomized : AND Dawkins.
ondoher1 : sweet: we'd all love to talk to him HERE
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, dipshit, invite him in here.
sweet_guy_designer : Sodomize, setup a debate. all of them vs. hovind. Public debate, We'll video tape it.
begs_to_be_sodomized : I'm sure Dawkins and Hovind will be a good one.
knight_of_baawa : Have him come here, sweet
damien_the_demon_kitty : We're more than willing to talk to him, many of us have tried.
begs_to_be_sodomized : Dawkins is registered on about Counter Balance to debate
goddess_goldberry : sweet.. he wont talk to anyone.. and he won't do ANYTHING in writing.. phone conversations are riduculous.. and rarely recorded
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:13:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
jaydmoore : LOL... I would LOVE to see hovind come here
jaydmoore : that would be great
begs_to_be_sodomized : Send Hovind here >> http://www.counterbalance.net/
goddess_goldberry : mjh.. you wish me to convert.. you don't respect me as an atheist
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, wrong, ONLINE DEBATE, A) It's more open, better for an exchange of FACTS, B) It will reach more people. C) It doesn't allow the use of decietful tactics.
jaydmoore : alcy: no.. send him HERE
gumptiondude : lol at baawa freaking out
begs_to_be_sodomized : Jay: Bah. I would rather see him go up against Dawkins and the Leakeys.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Jayd, it doesn't matter, he'll never go on an online debate, his tactics don't work there.
goddess_goldberry : knight.. yep
sweet_guy_designer : ...
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:14:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
sweet_guy_designer : This is so pointless.
trentonator : Dr Fucko?
goddess_goldberry : sweet.. do you think hovind is accredited doctor?
gumptiondude : likes thi Hovind guy
goddess_goldberry : knight.. yep
david_persons2002 : Sounds like Knight of Bawwa went to their law school
gumptiondude : this
sweet_guy_designer : :)
happily_ex_fundy : gump, why?
knight_of_baawa : http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent_hovind's_lies.htm
jaydmoore : alcy: nah.. I would like to see him pitted against ondoher and a few others HERE
ondoher1 : sweet: here, in one minute refute these claims 1) jesse Jackson was the model of mr potato head 2) Christmas was named after an ancient assyerian deity 3) coca cola is really health food 4) smoking makes the sex organs grow larger 5) clouds are made of cotton candy 6) the moon is madeof cheese 6) earth quakes cause bad breath
gumptiondude : its imprtant to utterly refuse to debate with people that you do not have any respect for
reptylinin2 : knight, why won't anyone prosecute him?
damien_the_demon_kitty : Long post coming up, beware....
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:15:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
goddess_goldberry : mjh.. yes it does.. if you want me to CHANGE and you don't respect me for who I am.. then what is the point?
knight_of_baawa : "I emailed him and pointed out that his offer makes it plain that he will submit the proofs to a panel, not judge them himself. I asked him to so submit them. He wrote back that he had lost the proofs! I submitted more to him from the same source together with a reference to a web article from the BBC (UK) site that mentioned evolution in mosquitoes existing in the London underground railway. I told Hovind that these were to be submitted to his panel, and that I needed to know the names of the panel so that I could judge their impartiality and qualifications for myself. A year later, I am still waiting for even one name from his purported "panel." The only response I got other than Hovind's snide and childish comments was from some guy who completely ignored the proofs..."
the_anarcho_capitalist : why am i watching this...
the_anarcho_capitalist : wtf is wrong with me
knight_of_baawa : preached incessantly to me, and rambled on inanely about his own plant breeding experiments.
ondoher1 : sweet: that's a typical hovind debate
happily_ex_fundy : gump, that's why most scientists refuse to debate Hovind.
ondoher1 : bye all
begs_to_be_sodomized : http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/s/shermer-michael/july22-debate-comments.html Ondoher :X
damien_the_demon_kitty : Forget it.
ondoher1 : thx vulp
the_anarcho_capitalist : vulp, what is that?
johntheantibaptist : dusty but it has to meet his criteria, which is impossible to meet.
goddess_goldberry : dust.. the thing that drives me nuts about hovind his "challenge"
damien_the_demon_kitty : Yahelite won't let me post it.
gumptiondude : yuer asking the wrong guy
goddess_goldberry : lol
begs_to_be_sodomized : Michael Shermer.
dhvamsati : Thats why it's bullshit
johntheantibaptist : dusty exactly
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:16:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_demon_kitty : Goddess, it should, all it does is convince his own sheep.
dhvamsati : ;)
the_anarcho_capitalist : EXACTLY
damien_the_demon_kitty : *shouldn't.
knight_of_baawa : senior
damien_the_demon_kitty : notes sweet's gone silent.
the_anarcho_capitalist : knight_of_boner
sweet_guy_designer : This is pointless.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, why?
begs_to_be_sodomized : Gish and Shermer went at it.
jaydmoore : damien: maybe he's talkign to hovind
jaydmoore : LOL
damien_the_demon_kitty : Afraid to discuss things in an OPEN forum?
knight_of_baawa : Yes, because Hovind is a proven coward, sweet
jaydmoore : talking
the_anarcho_capitalist : vulp, Duane Gish?
damien_the_demon_kitty : Jayd, doubt it, Hovind rarely talks to people.
begs_to_be_sodomized : http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/gish.html
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:17:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
begs_to_be_sodomized : Yes, Duane Gish.
jaydmoore : damien: sweet made it sound like all he had to do was give him a ring
goddess_goldberry : mjh. what didn't i respond to?
the_anarcho_capitalist : vulp, what was the nizkor one? a debate with a holocaust denier?
damien_the_demon_kitty : Jayd, so why aren't we seeing Hovind in here?
begs_to_be_sodomized : Oh Shermer had some comments on the other links on that page.
jaydmoore : damien: because he's a coward
sweet_guy_designer : No, that isn't used.
jaydmoore : and a fraud
sweet_guy_designer : These are reports.
johntheantibaptist : basicly they want a living breathing, homo erectus or something like that.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Hey sweet, why don't you bring Hovind in here? He can say whatever he likes.
knight_of_baawa : No sweet, there aren't
happily_ex_fundy : sweet_guy, I am convinced that Hovind is not interested in serious dialogue. His debates are set up not *as* serious dialogue, but *instead* of serious dialogue.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, why is Hovind so afraid of an online debate?
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:18:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
knight_of_baawa : Oh yeah, dusty. The Paluxy Man-track bullshit
knight_of_baawa : That has been proven to be a fraud
the_anarcho_capitalist : knight :O
the_anarcho_capitalist : lies
sweet_guy_designer : alot to cover ;)
damien_the_demon_kitty : A public debate isn't a good place to talk science, most people know that.
the_anarcho_capitalist : moans
johntheantibaptist : dusty, the ICR site is good for a laugh every now and then.
goddess_goldberry : john.. yep
happily_ex_fundy : sweet_guy, what do you mean "a lot to cover"?
jaydmoore : "maybe there ARE many more suns in our solar system" - hovind
sweet_guy_designer : Could I speak?
damien_the_demon_kitty : LMAO Jayd, I haven't seen that one yet!
hyghlandyr : sweet may speak
goddess_goldberry : sweet.. so why does hovind put abiogensis in with evolution?
begs_to_be_sodomized : Michael Shermer, describing "Young-Earth" Creationist Duane T. Gish's last debate of his career (which was against Shermer), in Phoenix, Arizona, on June 3, 2001, quoted from E-Skeptic for June 3, 2001
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:19:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
jaydmoore : damien: compliments of indon
goddess_goldberry : hovind tracts are goofy
the_anarcho_capitalist : last debate of his career, huh...
reptylinin2 : "I went to a shack in Glen Rose, TX."
david_persons2002 : Here is the Law in Question:
sweet_guy_designer : Calm down ;)
begs_to_be_sodomized : Evolution is not a cause. It's a process.
goddess_goldberry : hygh.. that isn't evolution.. evolution starts AFTER life.. not causes life
begs_to_be_sodomized : (A)biogenesis.
sweet_guy_designer : Wrong subject there also.
david_persons2002 : Here is the Law in Question:817.567 Making false claims of academic degree or title.-- (1) No person in the state may claim, either orally or in writing, to possess an academic degree, as defined in s. 1005.02, or the title associated with said degree, unless the person has, in fact, been awarded said degree from an institution that is: (a) Accredited by a regional or professional accrediting agency recognized by the United States Department of Education or the Commission on Recognition of Postsecondary Accreditation; (b) Provided, operated, and supported by a state government or any of its political subdivisions or by the Federal Government; (c) A school, institute, college, or university chartered outside the United States, the academic degree from which has been val
goddess_goldberry : that is abiogenesis
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:20:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
dhvamsati : world=words
goddess_goldberry : hovind still uses 2nd law of thermo
david_persons2002 : Florida Criminal & Civil Code as AMended
happily_ex_fundy : sweet_guy, what do you mean "a lot to cover"?
sweet_guy_designer : I would love to speak, if given the chance.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Okay, some Hovind quotes.
trentonator : lol
goddess_goldberry : :P
the_anarcho_capitalist : if evolution is true, how come a hamster has NEVER built a rocket-car?
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, then talk dipshit, it's chat, no one's stopping you.
the_anarcho_capitalist : huh?
the_anarcho_capitalist : cant answer because you *dont know*
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:21:52 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
goddess_goldberry : lol knight.. yep
reptylinin2 : knight, come on...that's a fallacy...
goddess_goldberry : tax evasion.. beating women
damien_the_demon_kitty : 3. The universe came into being by itself by purely natural processes (known as evolution) so that no appeal to the supernatural is needed.
goddess_goldberry : repty.. he has a record with the flordia police
damien_the_demon_kitty : Ken's theory of evolution apparently.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Kent even.
jaydmoore : bigot: oops.. I mean "TAC": because hampsters don't have thumbs
reptylinin2 : goddess, I know that.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Maybe Ken's too.
reptylinin2 : I'm not disputing what he did.
sweet_guy_designer : I'm trying to speak waskybarrel ;)
reptylinin2 : Ad Hominum Tu Torque, I would think.
gumptiondude : since knight wants to get personal, knight of baawa is the type of person who verbally abuses (lots of cuss words) to teenage christian girls taht come in the chat room
happily_ex_fundy : h3y jqn
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:22:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
reptylinin2 : However, Dusty made sense.
reptylinin2 : Maybe it's not.
flaminmeg1 : she usually does
damien_the_demon_kitty : Since all taxpayers are being forced to fund the religion of evolution in schools and it is evolution that must be proven to be the only way our universe came into being like the textbooks say, what happens if one jury member will not vote with the rest? -Kent Hovind. Gee, anyone have a textbook that says evolution created the universe? Anyone?
colorofjanuary : heya happil.
colorofjanuary : y
happily_ex_fundy : yes, she usually does
david_persons2002 : I am a Christian minister and I find Hovind pretty embarrasin
jaydmoore : gumption: you are not above cuss words yourself
the_anarcho_capitalist : damien, yeah, i do
goddess_goldberry : mjh.. sorry.. was talking about hovind
colorofjanuary : david_persons2002: amen.
the_anarcho_capitalist : i just dont wanna show you
goddess_goldberry : hovind drives me nuts
gumptiondude : thinks dusty makes sense about 65% of the time
ondoher1 : hello, hello
happily_ex_fundy : hi ondo
dhvamsati : Apologizes to knight for chastizing him
the_anarcho_capitalist : ondoher = love
colorofjanuary : 7:30 at night and it's 90 friggin degrees out.
radardog : Interesting link on Hovind's doctorate.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Anarcho, well, I'll just take your word for it, you are a christian aren't you? That's how I know if you're being truthful or not.
johntheantibaptist : sweet, Kent hovind is a moron, i just went and did a quick internet search on the guy and he is a complete moron.
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:23:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
ondoher1 : tac=booger eater
the_anarcho_capitalist : nods
reptylinin2 : hovind is a criminal.
gumptiondude : has no respect for baawa
johntheantibaptist : sweet and if you follow this guy you need some help
sweet_guy_designer : johntheantibaptist, I'm sure I could find anything I want on the internet.
hyghlandyr : Klinton Kalamine Kult?
goddess_goldberry : mjh.. but look at what I said.. i have NO wish for you to be in a different religion or belief.. it is yours, it makes you happy.. i say run with it.. but you don't respect my choice as an atheist
lumpy_3046 : lol hovind the whiter the bread... : )
goddess_goldberry : yep.. had to scroll back up
dhvamsati : John right. It's pretty easy to find proof of Hovind's fraud
the_anarcho_capitalist : isnt a christian..lied about the textbook thing
happily_ex_fundy : hovind makes me laugh
gumptiondude : doesnt know hovind but the fact taht baawa is agaisntr him makes think he might be interesting
the_anarcho_capitalist : Savage Nation?
goddess_goldberry : you aren't happy that I am happy as an atheist.. you only wish for me to change..
hyghlandyr : gumption, lol
gumptiondude : likes savage nation
colorofjanuary : tac: yep.
happily_ex_fundy : narcho, no that's dan savage
jaydmoore : gumption: you aren't missing much
the_anarcho_capitalist : i watched that show today...fucking ridiculous
gumptiondude : is taht on now?
jaydmoore : seriously
ondoher1 : hovind makes alternately laugh and cry
colorofjanuary : what?
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:24:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
the_anarcho_capitalist : that guy is a loon
ondoher1 : tac: what show?
damien_the_demon_kitty : I'm wondering why sweet's so eager to get on voice.
ondoher1 : tac: oh
johntheantibaptist : sweet but if i find only one site that claims him as good (his) and 50000 that hate him something is wrong buddy. and yes 50000 is a bit excessive
damien_the_demon_kitty : Apparently he's afraid of leaving a text trail.
sweet_guy_designer : Damien, no...
the_anarcho_capitalist : i usually like conservative commentary...but that guy is waaaaay neocon and waaaay religious
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:25:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, so, you know Hovind? Why don't you bring him on in here?
knight_of_baawa : "My 250-page dissertation dealt with the subject of the effects of teaching evolution on the students in our public school system. " Kent Hovind
jaydmoore : neocon = new conservative
jaydmoore : Ronald reagan was a "neocon"
knight_of_baawa : The dissertation is NOT 250 pages in length. Patriot University sent Mr. Evans a dissertation that is 101 pages in length, including the dedication. The pages of Hovind's thesis are NOT numbered, so my references to page numbers start with the "Dedication" page being number one. There is no table of contents, but on pages five and six Hovind describes a thesis that has 16 chapters. The thesis that Mr. Evans received from Patriot University was a four-chapter thesis.
sweet_guy_designer : That's okay.
ondoher1 : damien: Hovind has time to talk to any old Joe who wants to call him, but no time to enter into a chat room, or an email debate
goddess_goldberry : you are not happy that i am happy
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, what's the matter?
knight_of_baawa : Recently, Hovind attempted to explain the discrepancy in an email exchange with Evans: My dissertation was originally about 100 pages. I continued adding material and it grew to 250 pages. Over the last 10 years I have constantly been adding material. It is now many hundreds of pages and will be put into book form as time permits. (1-16-00, Skip Evans email)
radardog : According to that link Hovind can't even spell correctly on his thesis. You expect him not to be embarrassed here? I can see why he's not a typer. :)
damien_the_demon_kitty : Online debate is much more open and honest than public debates.
happily_ex_fundy : you did?
happily_ex_fundy : I missed it.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Plus they reach a LOT more people.
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:26:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
happily_ex_fundy : sorry, hi!
knight_of_baawa : This is a ridiculous statement. A dissertation does not continue to grow and (gasp) evolve beyond the completion of the degree. The thesis topic may be pursued, but the additional material is not added to the bound, completed, microfilmed, archived thesis!
begs_to_be_sodomized : From Knights Link: As far as Hovind's evolution challenge goes, I made a couple of simple passes at him to gauge his response. I was convinced he would never pay, so rather than get heavily into research to no result, I borrowed a couple of instances of speciation from the Talk.Origins Archive, told Hovind where they were from, and demanded the (then) $10,000 he offered. Hovind laughed off the proofs without making any attempt to respond to them in any sensible manner whatsoever.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Surely he wouldn't mind showing us evolutionist atheists the straight facts in here, an OPEN FORUM?
goddess_goldberry : jo. i didn't know you did that
knight_of_baawa : The dissertation DOES NOT deal with the subject of "The Effects of Teaching Evolution on the Students in our Public School System". NONE of the four chapters of the Patriot University document addresses this subject, and - IT IS NOT EVEN ONE OF THE SUBJECTS MENTIONED IN THE TWELVE "MISSING" CHAPTERS!!!
sweet_guy_designer : Okay, this is pointless for me to be in here if I"m not given sufficient time to speak.
the_anarcho_capitalist : Hovind doesnt like debates where he can be raped by fact
knight_of_baawa : http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/bartelt_dissertation_on_hovind_thesis.htm
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, TYPE.
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:27:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
begs_to_be_sodomized : Hahahahaha Knight.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Do you understand the meaning of TYPE?
happily_ex_fundy : sweet, go ahead and type. I haven't said a word, and don't feel I need to get on the mic to make a point.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Your message will get across much better if you TYPE.
goddess_goldberry : no
ondoher1 : sweet: you have a keyboard?
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : f Damien, you mean shouting at the monitor doesn't work?
sweet_guy_designer : I can speak alot faster than I can type. And I just got my tattooes touched up tonight so resting my arms on the desk isn't too comfortably.
knight_of_baawa : I have that bookmarked, pazz
sweet_guy_designer : comfortable*
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:28:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_demon_kitty : Your insistance of going on voice falls rather flat because A) Not everyone is on voice, and B)Typing gets your message across a lot better.
reptylinin2 : He's not a scientist.
reptylinin2 : He's a fraud.
happily_ex_fundy : meg, no, Hovind is no scientist.
flaminmeg1 : oh my
knight_of_baawa : Hovind then concentrates on the secular, early evolutionary thinkers, and it is here that the poor writing style is most evident. These short, choppy biographies include more commentary on lifestyle than on science. Since I am precluded from direct quotations, but want to make the reader aware of the style, here is the identical sentence structure of one of the biographies, substituting Charles Darwin as the subject of the biographical sketch:
johntheantibaptist : no thanks david, i read enought o know i do not need to trust anything the man said ever.
the_anarcho_capitalist : bbl
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, then go on a message board, you don't have to worry about speed of typing there.
knight_of_baawa : He was born in 1809 and died about 1880. He was very anti-Christian and tried to influence anyone he could not to believe in God. He was very full of godless ideas. He was a very avid agnostic, racist, and an evolutionist. He believed in a great infinite age of the universe. He was very influential in furthering the ideas of evolution, particularly in the country of England.
sweet_guy_designer : damien, I love the way you make things look.
ondoher1 : sweet: ah, learning from your Master how to avoid text?
goddess_goldberry : damien.. stop using A, and B.. or else I will have to stick A, up B, and twist it with C
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, I don't 'make them look' like anything.
knight_of_baawa : That's Hovind's view on Darwin
goddess_goldberry : :P
damien_the_demon_kitty : Go ahead, prove me wrong.
begs_to_be_sodomized : Darwin was very Christian.
begs_to_be_sodomized : Where in hell did that misuse of history come from?
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:29:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
colorofjanuary : rubs all over vulpie.
happily_ex_fundy : Jo, he started a christian, but sure didn't end up as one.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Hey sweet, if you're a slow typer, why don't you just post your argument here, http://gremlin.net/cgi-data/2003-02/index.html You can take as much time as you like.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : curls up in ball and takes a nap
begs_to_be_sodomized : Aww Jan :X
damien_the_demon_kitty : pads over to kitty and lies down next to her.
colorofjanuary : loves her vulpie.
begs_to_be_sodomized : Evi-Sir !
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:30:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : murrs at her malekitty and goes back to sleep
knight_of_baawa : vulp, that's from Hovind's "doctoral" thesis
begs_to_be_sodomized : Knight: Hahahaha
colorofjanuary : giggles
happily_ex_fundy : "creationism is evolving" -- Ronald Numbers
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, your excuses are rather lame.
sweet_guy_designer : Alright, You have have a nice evening, take care.
knight_of_baawa : run away, asshat
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, why are you running away?
dhvamsati : Bye sweet
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:31:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
ondoher1 : ass-hat :))
damien_the_demon_kitty : Afraid of taking us 'atheist evolutionists' on in an OPEN FORUM?
happily_ex_fundy : sweet, I'll be happy to talk with you
sweet_guy_designer : I'm not, It's 9:30 and I need to get up early for church, Take care.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, oh bullshit, five minutes ago you were rearin' to go on voice.
the_kitty_is_not_so_witty : has never been to a church that started earlier than 10
hyghlandyr : and as I said I know many that dont even believe in god
begs_to_be_sodomized : I'm reading boht links you put up, Knight.
sweet_guy_designer : dh, Take care, For those of you who have been respectful, thank you.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Now what, lost your nerve?
begs_to_be_sodomized : *both
damien_the_demon_kitty : My, that was a rather FAST reply, what happened to the slow typing?
damien_the_demon_kitty : Thought you couldn't type that fast.
happily_ex_fundy : sweet, I'll be happy to talk with you, and possibly even with Hovind, with certain caveats.
ondoher1 : evolution and creationISM are mutually exclusive. evolution and creation are not
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:32:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_demon_kitty : Seems your response time refutes your own excuse.
sweet_guy_designer : happily, thank you. I'll be in touch if you like, feel free to contact me anytime.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, why are you running?
damien_the_demon_kitty : Your church excuse is bullshit.
sweet_guy_designer : Damien, good night.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Seems you are ready to run away when you can't get on voice.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Sweet, why are you running?
knight_of_baawa : If Patriot University did, in fact, accept this dissertation and award a Ph.D. in Christian education, then it does fall into the category of a diploma mill, for the reasons listed below
knight_of_baawa : There is no original research presented. --- Large portions of the dissertation are repeated. Formatting errors are rampant. References are absent.
begs_to_be_sodomized : Greg: I would prefer to see Hovind on Counter Balance, debating those that are active in that field. namely DAWKINS.
LOG DATA Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:33:51 damien_the_demon_kitty, ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN CHAT:1
damien_the_demon_kitty : Come on, just a couple minutes ago you were more than ready to talk, now you're not.
flaminmeg1 : knight that site is cracking me up
flaminmeg1 : it's good
knight_of_baawa : Spelling errors that are typical of high school (but not college) writing are present in this document.
knight_of_baawa : The writing style, "popular" or not, is typical of high school-level writing, not college, and certainly not postgraduate. The writing style, as well as Hovind's lectures, are reminiscent of drive-by shootings, where many disjointed topics are presented in rapid-fire order (so as to not allow the reader or listener to really think about any particular topic).
damien_the_demon_kitty : Just a couple minutes ago you said you couldn't type fast, now you're replying to my posts in a matter of SECONDS.
begs_to_be_sodomized : Dawkins is up for a DEBATE.
johntheantibaptist : There are 3 sect's of creationism, Young Earth Creationist, Old Earth Creationist, and Mature Earth Creationist.
damien_the_demon_kitty : Are you a liar?
happily_ex_fundy : Dawkins would tear Hovind to shreds
damien_the_demon_kitty : Damn, he's gone, good thing I have this logged.