The proof is that there is something here. Laws of conservation say that neither matter nor energy can be created. So either all matter and energy, and ultimately the laws of physics have been around for all of time... or there was a source higher than the laws of physics. Sound reasonable?

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• And now, a real breakthrough. posted by Baron Greenback [12.255.181.7 - 12-255-181-7.client.attbi.com] on 12 July 2002 at 02.19.19 ZuluTime (1)
  • I'd like to mention, however... posted by Baron Greenback [12.255.181.7 - 12-255-181-7.client.attbi.com] on 12 July 2002 at 02.25.30 ZuluTime (0)
• You're right about one thing. posted by Gremlin [12.255.181.7 - 12-255-181-7.client.attbi.com] on 12 July 2002 at 02.07.04 ZuluTime (20)
  • gloats for a moment on being right with one thing posted by Andy [65.123.82.98 - ] on 12 July 2002 at 02.25.08 ZuluTime (19)
    • There's a third option posted by Gremlin [12.255.181.7 - 12-255-181-7.client.attbi.com] on 12 July 2002 at 02.42.35 ZuluTime (16)
      • clarification posted by Andy [65.123.82.14 - ] on 12 July 2002 at 04.26.08 ZuluTime (15)
        • Okay: that makes more sense posted by Gremlin [12.255.181.7 - 12-255-181-7.client.attbi.com] on 12 July 2002 at 10.22.00 ZuluTime (14)
          • You've made a stance posted by Andy [65.123.82.114 - ] on 12 July 2002 at 15.39.59 ZuluTime (13)
            • You're anthropomorphising posted by Gremlin [12.255.181.7 - 12-255-181-7.client.attbi.com] on 12 July 2002 at 19.01.25 ZuluTime (12)
              • my anthropomorphising posted by Andy [65.123.82.149 - ] on 12 July 2002 at 21.12.03 ZuluTime (7)
                • minor addition posted by Andy [65.123.82.149 - ] on 12 July 2002 at 21.15.28 ZuluTime (6)
                  • Where's the problem? posted by Gremlin [12.255.181.7 - 12-255-181-7.client.attbi.com] on 13 July 2002 at 01.32.34 ZuluTime (5)
                    • I see no problem posted by Andy [65.123.82.4 - ] on 13 July 2002 at 02.40.32 ZuluTime (4)
                      • Re: I see a problem posted by zigamort [65.33.25.66 - 66.25.33.65.cfl.rr.com] on 24 July 2002 at 20.47.45 ZuluTime (0)
                      • Plausibility posted by Gremlin [12.255.181.7 - 12-255-181-7.client.attbi.com] on 13 July 2002 at 05.31.53 ZuluTime (2)
                        • kudos to you posted by Andy [65.123.82.138 - ] on 13 July 2002 at 07.07.58 ZuluTime (1)
                          • Somewhat posted by Gremlin [12.255.181.7 - 12-255-181-7.client.attbi.com] on 13 July 2002 at 18.59.46 ZuluTime (0)
              • are you certain? posted by Andy [65.123.82.149 - ] on 12 July 2002 at 20.07.14 ZuluTime (3)
                • Two major problems posted by Gremlin [12.255.181.7 - 12-255-181-7.client.attbi.com] on 12 July 2002 at 20.34.20 ZuluTime (2)
                  • the major problems posted by Andy [65.123.82.149 - ] on 12 July 2002 at 20.59.00 ZuluTime (1)
                    • The facts of fiction posted by Gremlin [12.255.181.7 - 12-255-181-7.client.attbi.com] on 12 July 2002 at 21.44.03 ZuluTime (0)
    • My two bits... posted by Baron Greenback [12.255.181.7 - 12-255-181-7.client.attbi.com] on 12 July 2002 at 02.37.28 ZuluTime (1)
      • not quite posted by Andy [65.123.82.98 - ] on 12 July 2002 at 02.59.43 ZuluTime (0)